Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII)

[BBallFreak]

Alot actually. So much so that Jrich was in the Dleague and tyler was seeing less time than Chalmers and Green.

Rich wasn't even ready to start the season. And nobody was complaining when Green was tearing it up in the pre-season last year. It was the right call at the time, too many of you with revisionist history.

Revisionist history? The question was simple, "did Gerald Green take minutes from Jrich and Tyler early on before Tyler got hurt". And both revisionist and ACTUAL history agree with the facts.

One of the points Rex was making is that there is a chance that Spo pulls another vet over the future(hasleem/Beasley..amare/Hassan..green/Jrich TJ) and that in the end it will be all be for nothing cause we wont keep Waiters if he fails and won't pay him if he succeeds. The only thing we do know is that he'll be taking away developmental minutes.

Had you considered that J-Rich and Tyler don't get where they are WITHOUT Green? Had you considered that maybe they needed to progress, to show how hungry they were, to earn time, rather than having it handed to them? Maybe they had to beat him before they could beat anyone else.

Revisionist history, perhaps, but how many countless prospects have been thrown in before they were ready, only to busy completely because their confidence was shattered?

Unless you're behind the scenes and have a sense for what those guys did in practice, you're just being ridiculous...

[Hallstar]

... i think this was the best time to move in another direction because,again,wade cannot longer carry a team by himself.

Who can? Westbrook? Griffin? Durant? CP3?

i'm not looking for a basketball savior but for someone that is decent enough to make everyone better and compliment each other.if it takes for the heat to have 2-3 stars so be it.if not then they can be the "detroit pistons" of the south in which we have a billups,tauyshaun and rip hamilton.none of these guys were stars in terms of power and endorsements but they played well together and were fun to watch too

the main issues with bringing star players are ego and money.like we saw in the big 3 era.the heat couldnt surround them with decent role players because they sucked up most of the money that was available.so yea if you want to sell jerseys do a repeat of the past for one or two championships but if you want something that last long then bring people that are talented,athletic and that like and support each other with less ego

This is delusional bro. A Detroit is far harder to build, that's why it's an outlier.

Talking about ego when role players are getting 80 million. We're not building any Detroit, and that's never been Riley's style.

He wants to go whale hunting, I want whales or retirement

[RexBoyWonder]

Let's revisit the Waiters move after we see Spo utilize our back court depth.

My prediction, first regular season game stats :

Waiters : 29 minutes, 5-14 shooting, 10 points
TJ : 19 Minutes, 2-4 shooting, 6 points
Rich : 17 minutes, 3-4 shooting, 6 points

After a month of this, you'll understand why it was a bad move for the long term good of the team.

[RexBoyWonder]

Let's revisit the Waiters move after we see Spo utilize our back court depth.

My prediction, first regular season game stats :

Waiters : 29 minutes, 5-14 shooting, 10 points
TJ : 19 Minutes, 2-4 shooting, 6 points
Rich : 17 minutes, 3-4 shooting, 6 points

After a month of this, you'll understand why it was a bad move for the long term good of the team.

I'm not even mentioning 6 Mil$ SG Wayne Ellington (can a addition be more useless and pointless?), and Weber getting zero chances because Waiters and Ellington are taking up minutes.

[heat4life]

I gave it a shot... my new sig....

[Heat3]

Will Waiters last longer than Smush?

[contract]

... i think this was the best time to move in another direction because,again,wade cannot longer carry a team by himself.

Who can? Westbrook? Griffin? Durant? CP3?

i'm not looking for a basketball savior but for someone that is decent enough to make everyone better and compliment each other.if it takes for the heat to have 2-3 stars so be it.if not then they can be the "detroit pistons" of the south in which we have a billups,tauyshaun and rip hamilton.none of these guys were stars in terms of power and endorsements but they played well together and were fun to watch too

the main issues with bringing star players are ego and money.like we saw in the big 3 era.the heat couldnt surround them with decent role players because they sucked up most of the money that was available.so yea if you want to sell jerseys do a repeat of the past for one or two championships but if you want something that last long then bring people that are talented,athletic and that like and support each other with less ego

The problem with whale hunting is that there really aren't very many whales. You can count them on one hand and have fingers left over. And if you don't land a whale, you end up overpaying the hell out of someone in free agency just to say you got someone.

[contract]

Rich wasn't even ready to start the season. And nobody was complaining when Green was tearing it up in the pre-season last year. It was the right call at the time, too many of you with revisionist history.

Revisionist history? The question was simple, "did Gerald Green take minutes from Jrich and Tyler early on before Tyler got hurt". And both revisionist and ACTUAL history agree with the facts.

One of the points Rex was making is that there is a chance that Spo pulls another vet over the future(hasleem/Beasley..amare/Hassan..green/Jrich TJ) and that in the end it will be all be for nothing cause we wont keep Waiters if he fails and won't pay him if he succeeds. The only thing we do know is that he'll be taking away developmental minutes.

Had you considered that J-Rich and Tyler don't get where they are WITHOUT Green?

No. There's no reason why they couldn't have competed with each other for time.

[NBADraft2003]

Rex, go to sleep.

[SoFlaKingReal]

The best players will play...if Waiters is playing well in camp and pre-season....what do you suppose we do with him?

[Bishop45]

Let's revisit the Waiters move after we see Spo utilize our back court depth.

My prediction, first regular season game stats :

Waiters : 29 minutes, 5-14 shooting, 10 points
TJ : 19 Minutes, 2-4 shooting, 6 points
Rich : 17 minutes, 3-4 shooting, 6 points

After a month of this, you'll understand why it was a bad move for the long term good of the team.

I'm not even mentioning 6 Mil$ SG Wayne Ellington (can a addition be more useless and pointless?), and Weber getting zero chances because Waiters and Ellington are taking up minutes.

Basically,



Development second tier, 6/1 for smellington's not bad, short term, if he plays... which to why he's tradeable

[contract]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/status/757990410727792640[/tweet]

I think we all agree that he's not a room exception player. We disagree on why.

[RexBoyWonder]

The best players will play...if Waiters is playing well in camp and pre-season....what do you suppose we do with him?

He shouldn't be here. That's the point.

But whatever, I really do need some sleep.

Maybe this all makes sense down the road with trades or something, at least Dion said the right things about why he's here.

Still this was one weird and confusing offseason and I'm still not sure what the hell to expect.

Preseason games should be interesting.

[deb]

I'm weary of having too many players wanting play time. Two years ago the Suns imploded because of three pgs who all wanted to start.

At least here there's a glut of role players and youngsters, so it's not as bad. Also, excluding Mcgruder and Weber, who probalbly won't see any court, we're left with 5 guards, one of them (Richardson) can play sf. Winslow isn't a guard (although might end up guarding one, if that's the opposing team's best player).

[Mos_Heat]

Let's revisit the Waiters move after we see Spo utilize our back court depth.

My prediction, first regular season game stats :

Waiters : 29 minutes, 5-14 shooting, 10 points
TJ : 19 Minutes, 2-4 shooting, 6 points
Rich : 17 minutes, 3-4 shooting, 6 points

After a month of this, you'll understand why it was a bad move for the long term good of the team.

I'm not even mentioning 6 Mil$ SG Wayne Ellington (can a addition be more useless and pointless?), and Weber getting zero chances because Waiters and Ellington are taking up minutes.

Spoiler:

Basically,



Development second tier, 6/1 for smellington's not bad, short term, if he plays... which to why he's tradeable

Nice pick, bro. Are you trying to compete with 3ballbomber?

[Bishop45]

I'm not even mentioning 6 Mil$ SG Wayne Ellington (can a addition be more useless and pointless?), and Weber getting zero chances because Waiters and Ellington are taking up minutes.

Spoiler:

Basically,



Development second tier, 6/1 for smellington's not bad, short term, if he plays... which to why he's tradeable

Nice pick, bro. Are you trying to compete with 3ballbomber?

I thought that was def 3b esque, seems whale bait isn't a real thing. He would've been proud tho

[Mars]

How many minutes did Gerald Green steal from Rich and pre-injury Tyler last season?

Alot actually. So much so that Jrich was in the Dleague and tyler was seeing less time than Chalmers and Green.

Rich himself said he was in over his head to start the season and wasn't ready... specifically when it came to backing up at point guard. Said the best thing that happened to him was that early stint in the D-League.

You seemed to conveniently forget that the express purpose of Riley trading Chalmers was to free up minutes for Tyler who averaged 22.2 min per game in December before his first injury (pre-Chalmers trade) and 28.2 min per game in January before his shoulder injury forced him to have surgery.

[BBallFreak]

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Revisionist history? The question was simple, "did Gerald Green take minutes from Jrich and Tyler early on before Tyler got hurt". And both revisionist and ACTUAL history agree with the facts.

One of the points Rex was making is that there is a chance that Spo pulls another vet over the future(hasleem/Beasley..amare/Hassan..green/Jrich TJ) and that in the end it will be all be for nothing cause we wont keep Waiters if he fails and won't pay him if he succeeds. The only thing we do know is that he'll be taking away developmental minutes.

Had you considered that J-Rich and Tyler don't get where they are WITHOUT Green?

No. There's no reason why they couldn't have competed with each other for time.

And if neither was ready? Then what? just throw one of them out there, anyway?

I'm sorry, but I want my young players to have to beat out vets for playing time. I don't care if you're Tyler Johnson or Karl Anthony-Towns, earn it!

I will never understand why some people choose to coddle youth. Earn your time. This is the NBA, not Pop Warner, where everyone gets a trophy. You want to play? Prove you deserve to...

[CanesHeatFins]

Rich wasn't even ready to start the season. And nobody was complaining when Green was tearing it up in the pre-season last year. It was the right call at the time, too many of you with revisionist history.

Revisionist history? The question was simple, "did Gerald Green take minutes from Jrich and Tyler early on before Tyler got hurt". And both revisionist and ACTUAL history agree with the facts.

One of the points Rex was making is that there is a chance that Spo pulls another vet over the future(hasleem/Beasley..amare/Hassan..green/Jrich TJ) and that in the end it will be all be for nothing cause we wont keep Waiters if he fails and won't pay him if he succeeds. The only thing we do know is that he'll be taking away developmental minutes.

Had you considered that J-Rich and Tyler don't get where they are WITHOUT Green? Had you considered that maybe they needed to progress, to show how hungry they were, to earn time, rather than having it handed to them? Maybe they had to beat him before they could beat anyone else.

Revisionist history, perhaps, but how many countless prospects have been thrown in before they were ready, only to busy completely because their confidence was shattered?

Unless you're behind the scenes and have a sense for what those guys did in practice, you're just being ridiculous...

The only thing ridiculous is the lack of reading comprehension by you and those who gave you an and+1.

Again... I will say this as slow and as elementary as I can. The only question was whether or not Gerald Green.... Nevermind screw this, if you're gonna bash people with your strong opinions, you might wanna follow along better.

[Hallstar]

Had you considered that J-Rich and Tyler don't get where they are WITHOUT Green?

No. There's no reason why they couldn't have competed with each other for time.

And if neither was ready? Then what? just throw one of them out there, anyway?

I'm sorry, but I want my young players to have to beat out vets for playing time. I don't care if you're Tyler Johnson or Karl Anthony-Towns, earn it!

I will never understand why some people choose to coddle youth. Earn your time. This is the NBA, not Pop Warner, where everyone gets a trophy. You want to play? Prove you deserve to...

Maybe if they were better vets.

If you can't beat out Waiters we have bigger problems