MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[eddieheatfan]

It’s already been widely reported he was joining Bron and AD if the Clipps couldn’t get anybody. Eh, that was more of a money move than leverage play and his contract was structured to line up with PG’s. That leadership stuff overrated in terms of having Jimmy yell at guys and Kawhi saying stuff to guys in a normal voice. Players know what kind of leader he is, his coaches know what kind of a leader he is and that’s why he’s a two time champ. Look up the stuff Kawhi said to Nurse in the locker rooms. You don’t need to have a Jimmy style of leadership to win and you have to tailor those kind of styles to the type of guys who’s surrounding them. Hence, why Jimmy’s time in Minny was short lived.

I just don't see Kawhi accepting 2nd fiddle to LeBron after coming off a championship in Toronto where he basically won it by himself with a solid team around him.

It was rumored. I still completely believe what I wrote on the general board July 5th 2019.

Not the whole league, maybe just the Lakers after they teamed up LeBron and AD. The strongest mind game would be to leak out interest in the Lakers, make them wait and miss out on some good FAs that would be tougher for a Kawhi team to beat. It looks like he's waiting until the signings and trades are official so there's no way someone could go back on their word and sign with the Lakers. If this is what Kawhi is doing, that may be the best move he's ever done. It's just so hard to believe that a player like Kawhi who could go to any team he wants hasn't known where he's going for a while now, he doesn't have to hope someone gives him the max, he's in total control.

By the way I think Giannis also did this with Miami.

I believe both Kawhi and Giannis used their "availability" in free agency to weaken a strong rival to them.

that's a pretty good theory and i can buy it. gordon hayward did it too, riley fell for it like a sucker

thing is that even after him running to his BFF in boston, the best friend dumped him after just two injuries

[NBADraft2003]

It’s already been widely reported he was joining Bron and AD if the Clipps couldn’t get anybody. Eh, that was more of a money move than leverage play and his contract was structured to line up with PG’s. That leadership stuff overrated in terms of having Jimmy yell at guys and Kawhi saying stuff to guys in a normal voice. Players know what kind of leader he is, his coaches know what kind of a leader he is and that’s why he’s a two time champ. Look up the stuff Kawhi said to Nurse in the locker rooms. You don’t need to have a Jimmy style of leadership to win and you have to tailor those kind of styles to the type of guys who’s surrounding them. Hence, why Jimmy’s time in Minny was short lived.

I just don't see Kawhi accepting 2nd fiddle to LeBron after coming off a championship in Toronto where he basically won it by himself with a solid team around him.

It was rumored. I still completely believe what I wrote on the general board July 5th 2019.

Not the whole league, maybe just the Lakers after they teamed up LeBron and AD. The strongest mind game would be to leak out interest in the Lakers, make them wait and miss out on some good FAs that would be tougher for a Kawhi team to beat. It looks like he's waiting until the signings and trades are official so there's no way someone could go back on their word and sign with the Lakers. If this is what Kawhi is doing, that may be the best move he's ever done. It's just so hard to believe that a player like Kawhi who could go to any team he wants hasn't known where he's going for a while now, he doesn't have to hope someone gives him the max, he's in total control.

By the way I think Giannis also did this with Miami.

I believe both Kawhi and Giannis used their "availability" in free agency to weaken a strong rival to them.

It was already reported as much that he wanted to take a backseat to Kawhi and AD if he ended up there. Bron said the same about Kyrie after he got traded. His interest there was real and no, Kawhi didn’t win it by himself. That dude had a GREAT team, more than solid.

I doubt it. Guys were already set on where they want to go and went. Jimmy came, Kyrie & KD joined up, It was known Kemba was going to Boston before free agency started, Klay was resigning with the Dubs, Khris was staying with the Bucks, D’Lo was headed to Minny until the Dubs offered the max, etc.Him taking that long didn’t delay no other free agent other than Danny Green choosing between the Lakers and the Mavs if Kawhi went to the Lakers. All those guys knew where they were going before free agency even got close and went immediately. The Lakers didn’t get a third guy because the third guy didn’t want to be there.

[marson]

Another PG that we should be looking at is Reggie Jackson.

Instant fit. Can defend, pass, shoot and does little bit of everything.

[AirP.]

It’s already been widely reported he was joining Bron and AD if the Clipps couldn’t get anybody. Eh, that was more of a money move than leverage play and his contract was structured to line up with PG’s. That leadership stuff overrated in terms of having Jimmy yell at guys and Kawhi saying stuff to guys in a normal voice. Players know what kind of leader he is, his coaches know what kind of a leader he is and that’s why he’s a two time champ. Look up the stuff Kawhi said to Nurse in the locker rooms. You don’t need to have a Jimmy style of leadership to win and you have to tailor those kind of styles to the type of guys who’s surrounding them. Hence, why Jimmy’s time in Minny was short lived.

I just don't see Kawhi accepting 2nd fiddle to LeBron after coming off a championship in Toronto where he basically won it by himself with a solid team around him.

It was rumored. I still completely believe what I wrote on the general board July 5th 2019.

Not the whole league, maybe just the Lakers after they teamed up LeBron and AD. The strongest mind game would be to leak out interest in the Lakers, make them wait and miss out on some good FAs that would be tougher for a Kawhi team to beat. It looks like he's waiting until the signings and trades are official so there's no way someone could go back on their word and sign with the Lakers. If this is what Kawhi is doing, that may be the best move he's ever done. It's just so hard to believe that a player like Kawhi who could go to any team he wants hasn't known where he's going for a while now, he doesn't have to hope someone gives him the max, he's in total control.

By the way I think Giannis also did this with Miami.

I believe both Kawhi and Giannis used their "availability" in free agency to weaken a strong rival to them.

It was already reported as much that he wanted to take a backseat to Kawhi and AD if he ended up there. Bron said the same about Kyrie after he got traded. His interest there was real and no, Kawhi didn’t win it by himself. That dude had a GREAT team, more than solid.

Toronto was a good team, a simple swap of DeRozan and Poeltl for Kawhi took them from just a playoff team to a Championship caliber team(that got a lucky with some injuries). During the playoffs Kawhi averaged nearly 27 a game for Toronto while their 2nd leading scorer was Siakam at 17 ppg. Kawhi carried them.

I doubt it. Guys were already set on where they want to go and went. Jimmy came, Kyrie & KD joined up, It was known Kemba was going to Boston before free agency started, Klay was resigning with the Dubs, Khris was staying with the Bucks, D’Lo was headed to Minny until the Dubs offered the max, etc.Him taking that long didn’t delay no other free agent other than Danny Green choosing between the Lakers and the Mavs if Kawhi went to the Lakers. All those guys knew where they were going before free agency even got close and went immediately. The Lakers didn’t get a third guy because the third guy didn’t want to be there.

And Kawhi knew he was going to the Clippers and screwed the Lakers and LeBron while doing it.

What I don't understand is why people think he was ever going to Lakers. Here's the logic we're dealing with...
If Clippers don't get 2nd star Kawhi goes to the Lakers with LeBron and AD but since the Clippers moved all their assets for PG the Clippers were a better choice? So... PG > LeBron and AD, that to me makes 0 sense.

[NBADraft2003]

I just don't see Kawhi accepting 2nd fiddle to LeBron after coming off a championship in Toronto where he basically won it by himself with a solid team around him.

It was rumored. I still completely believe what I wrote on the general board July 5th 2019.


By the way I think Giannis also did this with Miami.

I believe both Kawhi and Giannis used their "availability" in free agency to weaken a strong rival to them.

It was already reported as much that he wanted to take a backseat to Kawhi and AD if he ended up there. Bron said the same about Kyrie after he got traded. His interest there was real and no, Kawhi didn’t win it by himself. That dude had a GREAT team, more than solid.

Toronto was a good team, a simple swap of DeRozan and Poeltl for Kawhi took them from just a playoff team to a Championship caliber team(that got a lucky with some injuries). During the playoffs Kawhi averaged nearly 27 a game for Toronto while their 2nd leading scorer was Siakam at 17 ppg.

With an all time great defense around him and they also had 5 or 6 double digit scorers right behind him in the regular season.

[AirP.]

It was already reported as much that he wanted to take a backseat to Kawhi and AD if he ended up there. Bron said the same about Kyrie after he got traded. His interest there was real and no, Kawhi didn’t win it by himself. That dude had a GREAT team, more than solid.

Toronto was a good team, a simple swap of DeRozan and Poeltl for Kawhi took them from just a playoff team to a Championship caliber team(that got a lucky with some injuries). During the playoffs Kawhi averaged nearly 27 a game for Toronto while their 2nd leading scorer was Siakam at 17 ppg.

With an all time great defense around him and they also had 5 or 6 double digit scorers right behind him in the regular season.

The regular season is not the playoffs. Toronto doesn't even get past the 2nd round without Kawhi getting 30+ for 5 of those 7 games and of those 5 up 40+ twice. He carried that team.

[NBADraft2003]

Toronto was a good team, a simple swap of DeRozan and Poeltl for Kawhi took them from just a playoff team to a Championship caliber team(that got a lucky with some injuries). During the playoffs Kawhi averaged nearly 27 a game for Toronto while their 2nd leading scorer was Siakam at 17 ppg.

With an all time great defense around him and they also had 5 or 6 double digit scorers right behind him in the regular season.

The regular season is not the playoffs.

19 and 15 from Pascal and Kyle with 8, 9, and 10 point per game scorers down from that. Just because someone scores the most doesn’t mean they carried a team. Like I said though, he had an all time great defensive team around him too and guys stepped up in those playoffs.

[DayofMourning]

Don't even care about Kawhi any more....2021 FA crop turned into the Great Depression.

[contract]

By the way I think Giannis also did this with Miami.

I believe both Kawhi and Giannis used their "availability" in free agency to weaken a strong rival to them.

I don't think that's what happened. I think Giannis' and Bam's agent used the prospect of Giannis coming to strongarm the Heat into giving Bam his extension last offseason.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Another PG that we should be looking at is Reggie Jackson.

Instant fit. Can defend, pass, shoot and does little bit of everything.

We can look but he probably stays with the Clips. They have his early bird rights. He’ll probably get a mid level deal. Capped out Clips will give it to him.

[AirP.]

With an all time great defense around him and they also had 5 or 6 double digit scorers right behind him in the regular season.

The regular season is not the playoffs.

19 and 15 from Pascal and Kyle with 8, 9, and 10 point per game scorers down from that. Just because someone scores the most doesn’t mean they carried a team. Like I said though, he had an all time great defensive team around him too and guys stepped up in those playoffs.

I'm following Butler(for now), I watched that series closely. Kawhi carried them.

[AirP.]

By the way I think Giannis also did this with Miami.

I believe both Kawhi and Giannis used their "availability" in free agency to weaken a strong rival to them.

I don't think that's what happened. I think Giannis' and Bam's agent used the prospect of Giannis coming to strongarm the Heat into giving Bam his extension last offseason.

They didn't strong-arm the Heat, he would have gotten a max contract from someone this off-season even if he had a major injury, it was already a forgone conclusion. So Miami offered the max contract with an incentive for themselves... a 5-year extension with no player option. Getting a max years contract without a player option gives the team more time or more leverage if they want to move Bam.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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They are not letting him go. The S&T option will also not be worth it for them since it’ll probably only be 2nd round pick and cap exception. Duncan’s contract will be a main piece if a high priced star opens up. Especially once we get our picks to attach.

[IggieCC]

we're locking up our Joe Harris ?

[NBADraft2003]

we're locking up our Joe Harris ?

Dunc ain’t missing that shot in Game 7, Iggs

[IggieCC]

Another PG that we should be looking at is Reggie Jackson.

Instant fit. Can defend, pass, shoot and does little bit of everything.

We can look but he probably stays with the Clips. They have his early bird rights. He’ll probably get a mid level deal. Capped out Clips will give it to him.

there would have been so much potential from Clippers fallout (besides Kawhi) had they been eliminated in earlier rounds in a pathetic fashion (got very close). But now that they made it this far with Kawhi going down, they are most likely run it back unfortunately. they'll try to resign Reggie and Batum anyway they can.

[MettaWorldPanda]

we're locking up our Joe Harris ?

Team is in a real tough spot with Duncan. You don’t want to let him go for nothing since we don’t plan on having cap space any time soon. The price for a S&T is basically non existent.

“Not only have sign-and-trades become rare, but the compensation for the player’s old team has been next to non-existent. The most valuable assets received in any of those four aforementioned sign-and-trade deals since 2015 have been distant second-round draft picks or cash.”

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/why-nba-sign-and-trades-are-rare-2.html

I don’t think the Heat are interested in a 2nd round pick and 4.7 mil exception. They might be for Nunn.

[contract]

By the way I think Giannis also did this with Miami.

I believe both Kawhi and Giannis used their "availability" in free agency to weaken a strong rival to them.

I don't think that's what happened. I think Giannis' and Bam's agent used the prospect of Giannis coming to strongarm the Heat into giving Bam his extension last offseason.

They didn't strong-arm the Heat, he would have gotten a max contract from someone this off-season even if he had a major injury, it was already a forgone conclusion. So Miami offered the max contract with an incentive for themselves... a 5-year extension with no player option. Getting a max years contract without a player option gives the team more time or more leverage if they want to move Bam.

We're trying to win now. Flexibility today is worth a ton more than anything that may happen 3 years down the line.

Yeah, we got strong armed.

[Kobewade11]

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They are not letting him go. The S&T option will also not be worth it for them since it’ll probably only be 2nd round pick and cap exception. Duncan’s contract will be a main piece if a high priced star opens up. Especially once we get our picks to attach.

Nvm its just bleacher report, let me not get worked up

[MettaWorldPanda]

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They are not letting him go. The S&T option will also not be worth it for them since it’ll probably only be 2nd round pick and cap exception. Duncan’s contract will be a main piece if a high priced star opens up. Especially once we get our picks to attach.

Nvm its just bleacher report, let me not get worked up

I know but the problem is i don’t think Riley will let him walk. Maybe he trades him later but he’s matching. Especially with them operating as a capped out team. It’s more likely they match and trade Herro attached to Dragic and Iguodala for something big.