MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.3

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

We could bring him back on a sub 10 million per year for multiple years if he was willing. We would just need to be ready to eat the tax bill, and if we are serious about competing and making a run then doubling a single digit salary in the millions is the price to pay for having a solid bench. We wouldn't have anywhere near the luxury tax penalty of say GSW. And I don't think we would be getting hit with repeaters if we were over this season. I wouldn't mind taking that swing, but it isn't my money so it isn't as big a deal to me.

No we can't. We're hard capped...

Yes and the hard cap is 146, we are trying to avoid the 136 luxury tax right now from my understanding. And unless I am mistaken the additional amount paid to a player due to luxury tax doesn't count towards the hard cap. On that point I might be mistaken as my experience with the hard cap is very limited.

Since when you know Arison paying the luxury tax? Arison allergic to paying taxes homie. He hear the words "luxury tax" and he starts hiding his money and pretending business his so bad that he been eating ramen noodles to survive.

Imagine if Riley worked for a guy like Steve Balmer or something, or one of these owners with blank checks, that just want to win, and will pay the tax.

[MorbidHEAT]

Forget Norris Cole or Napier, bring back Whang Zhi Zhi...

[Variable-X]

No we can't. We're hard capped...

Yes and the hard cap is 146, we are trying to avoid the 136 luxury tax right now from my understanding. And unless I am mistaken the additional amount paid to a player due to luxury tax doesn't count towards the hard cap. On that point I might be mistaken as my experience with the hard cap is very limited.

Since when you know Arison paying the luxury tax? Arison allergic to paying taxes homie. He hear the words "luxury tax" and he starts hiding his money and pretending he needs to look in his pockets for a quarter to buy a soda.

Imagine if Riley worked for a guy like Steve Balmer or something, or one of these owners with blank checks, that just want to win, and will pay the tax.

Miami is actually tied with SAS for the sixth most times paying the luxury tax in league history (had to look it up). Not saying that you are wrong and that they will try to avoid it, but they may be painting themselves into the corner of doing so this season based on the signings they have done. Call it paying for Riley's faulty judgment in dealing with Wade.

[Bishop45]

Otto for the min.? Damn

Must know something about Klay that we don't

[Bishop45]

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OK this one I'm less excited about. I just don't rate Gabe as an NBA prospect. No need to give him 2 years either, we've had 2 years and they've been scrubby.

Agreed, rather rehab Winnie with that space

[Wiltside]

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OK this one I'm less excited about. I just don't rate Gabe as an NBA prospect. No need to give him 2 years either, we've had 2 years and they've been scrubby.

Agreed, rather rehab Winnie with that space

Not even a debate Bish.

Atleast we know Winnie at his best is a quality NBA player. At his worst, he's still better than Gabe...

[Variable-X]

Otto for the min.? Damn

Must know something about Klay that we don't

That is impressive by GSW. Maybe Otto is betting on contention and the high profile status of the team to rehab his value for one season. He isn't a bad player he was just over paid based on a potential that he didn't live up to, and the team wasn't able to maximize his younger years with them due to injuries to himself and others.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Yes and the hard cap is 146, we are trying to avoid the 136 luxury tax right now from my understanding. And unless I am mistaken the additional amount paid to a player due to luxury tax doesn't count towards the hard cap. On that point I might be mistaken as my experience with the hard cap is very limited.

Since when you know Arison paying the luxury tax? Arison allergic to paying taxes homie. He hear the words "luxury tax" and he starts hiding his money and pretending he needs to look in his pockets for a quarter to buy a soda.

Imagine if Riley worked for a guy like Steve Balmer or something, or one of these owners with blank checks, that just want to win, and will pay the tax.

Miami is actually tied with SAS for the sixth most times paying the luxury tax in league history (had to look it up). Not saying that you are wrong and that they will try to avoid it, but they may be painting themselves into the corner of doing so this season based on the signings they have done. Call it paying for Riley's faulty judgment in dealing with Wade.

And Miami is also tied for 6th most championships by a franchise in the NBA, after the Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, Warriors, and Spurs.

We tied @3 rings with Pistons and Sixers.

So it sounds like, winning correlates to spending $$ to get the players you need.

[Bishop45]

Houston, Suns, Detroit, or GS for Winnie, callin' it (Cavs or Nugs seem like they'd take a chance too)

[Wiltside]

Houston, Suns, Detroit, or GS for Winnie, callin' it (Cavs or Nugs seem like they'd take a chance too)

I said Suns in another thread and I'm gonna stick with that call. Could see him go to Houie as its home, but Suns would be a good basketball fit.

[Variable-X]

Since when you know Arison paying the luxury tax? Arison allergic to paying taxes homie. He hear the words "luxury tax" and he starts hiding his money and pretending he needs to look in his pockets for a quarter to buy a soda.

Imagine if Riley worked for a guy like Steve Balmer or something, or one of these owners with blank checks, that just want to win, and will pay the tax.

Miami is actually tied with SAS for the sixth most times paying the luxury tax in league history (had to look it up). Not saying that you are wrong and that they will try to avoid it, but they may be painting themselves into the corner of doing so this season based on the signings they have done. Call it paying for Riley's faulty judgment in dealing with Wade.

And Miami is also tied for 6th most championships by a franchise in the NBA, after the Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, Warriors, and Spurs.

We tied @3 rings with Pistons and Sixers.

So it sounds like, winning correlates to spending $$ to get the players you need.

I wouldn't disagree with you there, and if they are really trying to sell their players and fans that this is a contending team then how do they justify not going over the luxury tax by a bit (not a ton) to retain a valuable player? I agree with your points, I just think that due to their portrayal of their moves if they don't retain Nunn or at least get some value for him they are admitting that this team isn't what they are saying it is. Which would be a PR stumble that might be worth more than the cost of the luxury tax.

[Wiltside]

For those still mad about Crowder, I guess the argument now is:

2yrs / $20m for Jae, or
2 yrs / $15m for PJ

[eddieheatfan]

For those still mad about Crowder, I guess the argument now is:

2yrs / $20m for Jae, or
2 yrs / $15m for PJ

i take crowder at anytime

[heatwillbeback]

For those still mad about Crowder, I guess the argument now is:

2yrs / $20m for Jae, or
2 yrs / $15m for PJ

It is not close.

[Variable-X]

We have 7 spots remaining including the 2 two way contracts. I would like to see two of those spots go to vets or established players on minimums or affordable contracts. There is a chance that Nunn or whatever we get for him takes one of those. I would like to see Yurtseven and two of the lengthy defensive ballhandlers on the summer league get us to 15, and then use our two ways one on micah potter and the other on the best available scorer from our summer league team or another team that didn't pick him up fast enough.

[AirP.]

I'm wondering, I get that Miami and Toronto have agreed to a trade with Lowry but specifics haven't really been said, I wonder if they're trying to expand this trade to more teams and possibly more players moving, it makes sense to keep looking for more options in the trade with a few days before the S&T can happen.

[Wiltside]

Otto Porter Jr off to GSW for the minimum. That'd would've been a cheap, quality signing. Damn.

[Heat_Down_Under]

For those still mad about Crowder, I guess the argument now is:

2yrs / $20m for Jae, or
2 yrs / $15m for PJ

Well crowder choked 2 finals in a row and Tucker is a winner

[Heat3]

Pretty sure that Mickey was one of the original proponents of the luxury tax to dissuade teams from overspending. So he likes to practice what he preaches

[Variable-X]

Otto Porter Jr off to GSW for the minimum. That'd would've been a cheap, quality signing. Damn.

yeah but he chose that team for a reason and we probably couldn't match the environmental factors otto was looking at. So for as his price point probably wasn't there and he wasn't a viable target. I mean we don't know for sure without talking to him, but it was said he turned down MLEs to play for GSW at the min. So he sees something there he wasn't seeing elsewhere. Also probably rules out any chance oubre had of returning.