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Re: Miami Heat 2024 Regular Season - Thread 4.0 

Post#1621 » by SoFlaKingReal » Sat Feb 3, 2024 5:27 pm

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Pokuokic wrote:I do wonder with all the little injuries Kyrie has had (questionable fit) if the Mavs decide to pull the pin early at the deadline and Miami sends a Herro/JJJ/Jovic/Martin picks for him and Propser (rookie they drafted this season)....just a thought.

I wouldn't count on it, don't think Kyrie will ever be allowed to wear a Heat uniform. I believe he offended Jews (promoting a movie that's believed to be antisemitic; idk if it is or not) refused to apologize at first and then only did so under duress. Mickey Arison is of that faith.


So is Mark Cuban. That most likely is not a factor.
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Post#1622 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Feb 3, 2024 5:28 pm

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Just maybe (highly unlikely) Spo is keeping the vets playing because he wants to focus on getting Rozier implemented and not have to worry about coaching up Jovic. Maybe once Rozier gets settled with Spo then we may see him come back to Jovic after all-star break


I don't buy it, and if you're right it's still a big mistake.

Martin and Highsmith aren't PFs, they're wing (not great wings either) being misplaced at PF.

Jovic needs all the reps he can get, he's bigger, a better shooter and overall more talented then both of them, yet we're freezing him, why exactly? Is Martin playing so Great? Is Highsmith shooting lights out?
It makes no sense.


You know it's about the System. They want Martin or Highsmith in the game at all times for pressing the point. When Jovic is in the game they primary gonna play zone. They don't care about them scoring.

I might be mistaken but I dont recall them playing zone much at all since Rozier arrived


They’ve actually picked up the zone possessions a lot, it what turned the game around for us last night. We went mostly zone in the 2nd half and I can’t remember the exact number but they scored like 1.08 PPP against our man defense last night and 0.78 against the zone. This was similar in the Kings game as well
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Post#1623 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Feb 3, 2024 5:31 pm

The time to strike on Kyrie has came and gone, if we were going to do it that should’ve happened awhile ago. Now he’s just an awkward fit but I mean yea it would work wonders for him to be at PG and Rozier being 6th man. If Rozier excelled in that role it would make us even better.

Wasn’t it rumored within the last year or so that Dallas likes Herro a lot?
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Post#1624 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Feb 3, 2024 5:32 pm

I mean Dallas does very clearly need a shake up, I just don’t see it happening
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Post#1625 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Feb 3, 2024 5:38 pm

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I don't buy it, and if you're right it's still a big mistake.

Martin and Highsmith aren't PFs, they're wing (not great wings either) being misplaced at PF.

Jovic needs all the reps he can get, he's bigger, a better shooter and overall more talented then both of them, yet we're freezing him, why exactly? Is Martin playing so Great? Is Highsmith shooting lights out?
It makes no sense.


You know it's about the System. They want Martin or Highsmith in the game at all times for pressing the point. When Jovic is in the game they primary gonna play zone. They don't care about them scoring.

I might be mistaken but I dont recall them playing zone much at all since Rozier arrived


They’ve actually picked up the zone possessions a lot, it what turned the game around for us last night. We went mostly zone in the 2nd half and I can’t remember the exact number but they scored like 1.08 PPP against our man defense last night and 0.78 against the zone. This was similar in the Kings game as well


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Here’s the stats, actually better than I had said, that’s w massive difference. We’re clamping teams in the zone but Herro rozier Love etc can’t defended in man so we get torched. Also I’m not sure if Jimmy is trying yet defensively either.
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Post#1626 » by twix2500 » Sat Feb 3, 2024 5:49 pm

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What’s your cut off point because to be 35th there’s got to be quite a few guys with very few attempts listed ahead of him


Honestly I can't remember, I had a min amount of possession.I think was a min of 2 possession. I literally just closed the tab. just closed the tab. Not to low behind Bam


Ok cool was just wondering, I had taken a look and of guys with a least 2 possessions a game he was at like 16th in PPP which is still half the volume he has.

Of guys in the top 10 in possessions per game he ranks as the 4th best in points per possession ahead of guys like Embiid and AD. He trails Turner, Chet, and Porzingis. The difference is those guys have elite PGs (Turner and Chet) or when it comes to KP just elite talent at each position plus he has crazy size.

It’s wild what an elite playmaker can do for you, Turner wasn’t even in the top 50 in possessions per game but since getting Haliburton he’s been top 10 in possessions and this year he’s the best at 1.39 PPP.
I think Turner case is the teams elite shooting making passes to the rim runner extremely easy and open

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Post#1627 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Feb 3, 2024 6:07 pm

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Honestly I can't remember, I had a min amount of possession.I think was a min of 2 possession. I literally just closed the tab. just closed the tab. Not to low behind Bam


Ok cool was just wondering, I had taken a look and of guys with a least 2 possessions a game he was at like 16th in PPP which is still half the volume he has.

Of guys in the top 10 in possessions per game he ranks as the 4th best in points per possession ahead of guys like Embiid and AD. He trails Turner, Chet, and Porzingis. The difference is those guys have elite PGs (Turner and Chet) or when it comes to KP just elite talent at each position plus he has crazy size.

It’s wild what an elite playmaker can do for you, Turner wasn’t even in the top 50 in possessions per game but since getting Haliburton he’s been top 10 in possessions and this year he’s the best at 1.39 PPP.
I think Turner case is the teams elite shooting making passes to the rim runner extremely easy and open

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Yea im sure that helps but his Pg is also the best playmaker in the league
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Post#1628 » by twix2500 » Sat Feb 3, 2024 6:09 pm

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You know it's about the System. They want Martin or Highsmith in the game at all times for pressing the point. When Jovic is in the game they primary gonna play zone. They don't care about them scoring.

I might be mistaken but I dont recall them playing zone much at all since Rozier arrived


They’ve actually picked up the zone possessions a lot, it what turned the game around for us last night. We went mostly zone in the 2nd half and I can’t remember the exact number but they scored like 1.08 PPP against our man defense last night and 0.78 against the zone. This was similar in the Kings game as well


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Here’s the stats, actually better than I had said, that’s w massive difference. We’re clamping teams in the zone but Herro rozier Love etc can’t defended in man so we get torched. Also I’m not sure if Jimmy is trying yet defensively either.
Thanks because I really haven't been paying too much attention to them defensively the past few games. Just offensively.

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Post#1629 » by AirP. » Sat Feb 3, 2024 7:01 pm

twix2500 wrote:How the wizards matched up on the Heats Herro- Rozier backcourt

Like the Kings the Kings put a forward in Herro. Not sure if Avdija is a small or power forward, I guess a tweener. Poole was assigned/hidden on Highsmith.

Tyler Herro matchups vs Wiz
1. Avdija
2. Coulibaly
3. Krispert

Terry Rozier matchup vs Wiz
1. Jones
2. Coulibaly
3. Avdija


It's a simple chess match that's going on with Miami.

On offense, with Highsmith out there, the other team can have a wing defender who can go guard one of the Miami guards while (like you said) teams can hide a bad defender on Highsmith.

On defense, Miami has to have one of the defenders cover one of the offensive guards and try to hide both Rozier and Herro, but if a team has more than 3 good offensive players on the court it's a problem. And when Robinson comes back we'll probably see 2 bad defenders on the court most of the game.

I really don't like this leaning in on offense. It seems very simple to me about this team in the playoffs, they HAVE to play good/great defense and try to keep the game close in hopes running the ball though Butler can carry this team because if either of those faulters in the playoffs, I don't think Miami has the offensive firepower to keep up with the better teams in the league.

With what I've seen this year, when Butler isn't giving full effort, let Jaquez Jr play his role, Jaquez Jr may never become as good as Butler but he can be that guard/forward in the low post who can score down there or find open teammates, I like that future way more than bombing away with a small lineup that seems much slower than other team's bigger lineups.

What seems to need to happen if this team doesn't make a change is that Martin or Jaquez Jr have to become the starting PF.

Miami doesn't even need to get a 20ppg scoring PF, they just a versatile defender who on offense when given a bad defender, able to take advantage of that situation so the other team can't hide bad defenders on Miami's 4.
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Post#1632 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat Feb 3, 2024 7:45 pm

C Bam Adebayo C Kevin Love (C Thomas Bryant) C Orlando Robinson
PF Jaime Jaquez Jr (PF Nikola Jovic) PF/SF Haywood Highsmith
SF Jimmy Butler SF Caleb Martin
SG Tyler Herro SG Josh Richardson (SG/SF Duncan Robinson)
PG Terry Rozier (PG Dru Smith)

14 rostered -1 with Dru Smith injured for year putting us at 13 playable players. No true PF's or backup PG on the roster
Players with parenthesis should be considered trade pieces for weak spot upgrades.

two way gap fill ins

SF Cole Swider (Duncan Replacement)-Perfect situational shooting 3rd stringer behind Martin and J Rich.
PF/SF Jamal Cain (Another smallish PF who should be playing over Highsmith)
PG RJ Hampton (Has the size and length to be ideal backup PG for us but not sure how he's progressing)
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Post#1633 » by BBallFreak » Sat Feb 3, 2024 7:49 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:C Bam Adebayo C Kevin Love (C Thomas Bryant) C Orlando Robinson
PF Jaime Jaquez Jr (PF Nikola Jovic) PF/SF Haywood Highsmith
SF Jimmy Butler SF Caleb Martin
SG Tyler Herro SG Josh Richardson (SG/SF Duncan Robinson)
PG Terry Rozier (PG Dru Smith)

14 rostered -1 with Dru Smith injured for year putting us at 13 playable players. No true PF's or backup PG on the roster
Players with parenthesis should be considered trade pieces for weak spot upgrades.

two way gap fill ins

SF Cole Swider (Duncan Replacement)-Perfect situational shooting 3rd stringer behind Martin and J Rich.
PF/SF Jamal Cain (Another smallish PF who should be playing over Highsmith)
PG RJ Hampton (Has the size and length to be ideal backup PG for us but not sure how he's progressing)

I think you have to consider Herro and Caleb Martin as parenthesis guys as well...
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Post#1635 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat Feb 3, 2024 8:05 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:C Bam Adebayo C Kevin Love (C Thomas Bryant) C Orlando Robinson
PF Jaime Jaquez Jr (PF Nikola Jovic) PF/SF Haywood Highsmith
SF Jimmy Butler SF Caleb Martin
SG Tyler Herro SG Josh Richardson (SG/SF Duncan Robinson)
PG Terry Rozier (PG Dru Smith)

14 rostered -1 with Dru Smith injured for year putting us at 13 playable players. No true PF's or backup PG on the roster
Players with parenthesis should be considered trade pieces for weak spot upgrades.

two way gap fill ins

SF Cole Swider (Duncan Replacement)-Perfect situational shooting 3rd stringer behind Martin and J Rich.
PF/SF Jamal Cain (Another smallish PF who should be playing over Highsmith)
PG RJ Hampton (Has the size and length to be ideal backup PG for us but not sure how he's progressing)

I have to assume due to the cap next year that they probably just want to ride it out with Martin. Either A he opts in and they get a nice discount or B he opts out and they S&T him for a 2nd like they did with Strus. Herro i don’t feel like anything real is available out there without selling low. My feeling is the Heat will be shopping for useful expiring contracts that may be cheaper to resign next year that fits within the cap structure.
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Post#1636 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat Feb 3, 2024 8:13 pm

The biggest misconception going right now is having to deal Martin when he’s actually a cap favorable contract that either gets opted in at a low 7 million dollar rate or S&T in the offseason. He’s exactly the type of player they would be seeking in trade right now for Duncan Robinson who holds a 19.4 million cap figure next year. If the Heat can swap out Duncan for let’s say a Bojan Bogdonovic that would shave 20 million off the cap next year and give us cap flexibility to use the MLE.
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Post#1637 » by Beenie » Sat Feb 3, 2024 8:29 pm

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Jarring if true.

OCK, NYK, or Hou I’m guessing are the interested parties.
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Post#1638 » by BBallFreak » Sat Feb 3, 2024 8:31 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:The biggest misconception going right now is having to deal Martin when he’s actually a cap favorable contract that either gets opted in at a low 7 million dollar rate or S&T in the offseason. He’s exactly the type of player they would be seeking in trade right now for Duncan Robinson who holds a 19.4 million cap figure next year. If the Heat can swap out Duncan for let’s say a Bojan Bogdonovic that would shave 20 million off the cap next year and give us cap flexibility to use the MLE.

I don't understand why you're unwilling to consider Herro as the moveable piece. He has more value and his game overlaps with Rozier's, big-time. I'd much rather move on from Herro than Duncan.
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Post#1639 » by Wiltside » Sat Feb 3, 2024 8:33 pm

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Jarring if true.

OCK, NYK, or Hou I’m guessing are the interested parties.


OKC makes a ton of sense. He’d be a great fit there.
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Post#1640 » by Beenie » Sat Feb 3, 2024 8:43 pm

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Jarring if true.

OCK, NYK, or Hou I’m guessing are the interested parties.


OKC makes a ton of sense. He’d be a great fit there.


Scary good fit there.

Same with NYK.

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