2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy and the Kids!

[HEATVols865]

We better rob Presti and not the other way around and CP3 better change his last year to a team option.

[AirP.]

Don't we have this one guard shooting approximately 38% from 3 on high volume?

Waiters? A solid 3pt shooting guard who is an inefficient scorer(.530 TS%, highest in his career) in the prime of his career? Winslow's TS% was lower but you'd expect him to continue to get better for the next 3-5 years.

[twix2500]

Yes, and if he (Winslow) can improve his off the dribble shooting we are looking at an all star.

Well we wasnt talking about in the context of him becoming an All-Star. We were talking about spacing. Can Winslow be on the court with Butler and Paul and provide spacing. In Spo offense which is based off of 4 out and 1 in. Will his defender respect him at the 3 point line or will he cheat off of Winslow and if he does so, can he make his defender pay by knocking down open shots? That is what we are discussing in terms of Winslow being an adequate enough of a shooter. I dont think he has to live and die on the three point line but be functional to keep defenders honest.

Good points.
I think a player such as Dragic is better suited in such context. Winslow needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

He is a better player with the ball in his hands, but he doesnt need the ball in his hands to be effective. Evident by his ability to hit open shots. Much of his scoring was off 2nd and 3rd passes. He wasnt doing all his scoring from bringing the ball up court. He does need to get better moving off the ball, but that is something I think he can improve and should improve at. He will get the chance to handle the ball run at the point when spelling Paul. Paul, Butler and Winslow trio has much more versatility. Winslow hasnt proved to be a high level scorer thus that is why we have Butler and Paul to carry the scoring bulk until Winslow, Bam or Herro prove otherwise.

[Bishop45]

Always wanted CP in Miami, but not at this cost

Why won't BG cry foul and ask for a trade, other option is Love

[somerandomdude]

Spoiler:

Yeah, I'm hoping Bam does, too. He played good towards the end of the season, he's only 21yrs old, and with Whiteside gone, there's a lot more responsibility and minutes to be had.

As far CP3, don't ask me lol. Not only do I think we'd be doing OKC a favor after Presti tried to rob us then gave away WB for nothing, but he's 34yrs old and still has 3 years left on his contract.

BUT, if it weren't for those factors, I'd definitely say yes to CP3 and he'd excel the development of our younger players. But at his age and his contract, I don't think it's meant to be.

And if CP3 goes down with an injury, we're stuck with an albatross contract.

I have no clue if a CP3 trade makes any sense. I dont see OKC trading an asset to get rid of CP3. I do wonder if the 3rd year can worked into a team option but like the JSmith deal where CP3 would get X amount if cut. Maybe 20 mil out of his 40+ mil contract? That still hurts but makes him more attractive. It would be on CP3 to turn down 20mil. 20 mil is cheaper than working on a buy out with OKC is my thinking. No idea if this is even possible.

Assuming they want to dump his salary, I think they would have to trade an asset, if not more. CP3's age and contract are not very attractive unless some team is on the cusp on winning a title and CP3 would put them over the top.

As for team option, I doubt CP3 will forego 40M in his last year considering he'll likely never make that total amount again in the NBA. Even in the scenario of switching to team option and getting 20M if cut, is still a lot of money to give up. IMO, he got really lucky to be able to sign a deal like that.

It sucks because, if CP3 were on a better deal or were younger, I'd love to have him and I think he'd be great for our younger guys.

[twix2500]

Paul, Butler, Winslow and Olynyk can shoot. Defenders have to stay on them at the 3 point line so the spacing is fine.

Nobody is thinking of Winslow as a shooter. That's not his shtick. Olynyk has proven to be fairly average so far. Need another shooter.

Don't we have this one guard shooting approximately 38% from 3 on high volume?

Nope, the Thunder do

[Bishop45]

Don't we have this one guard shooting approximately 38% from 3 on high volume?

Waiters? A solid 3pt shooting guard who is an inefficient scorer(.530 TS%, highest in his career) in the prime of his career? Winslow's TS% was lower but you'd expect him to continue to get better for the next 3-5 years.

Thought we were talking about 3pt shooting?

There's a lot of inefficient players that contribute to good teams, don't see why we should throw out the baby with the bathwater

[Enso]

Can we make cp3 change his last year to a team option ? Is that even legal? I’d take him if that was the case but doubt he gives up that cheddar.

But yeah if we get all our picks back, keep our you guys and change that last year to a team option, then phuck ya welcome to miami cp3.

[twix2500]

Can we make cp3 change his last year to a team option ? Is that even legal? I’d take him if that was the case but doubt he gives up that cheddar.

But yeah if we get all our picks back, keep our you guys and change that last year to a team option, then phuck ya welcome to miami cp3.

no

[Enso]

Can we make cp3 change his last year to a team option ? Is that even legal? I’d take him if that was the case but doubt he gives up that cheddar.

But yeah if we get all our picks back, keep our you guys and change that last year to a team option, then phuck ya welcome to miami cp3.

no

No as in not legal or no as in fak cp3

[twix2500]

Can we make cp3 change his last year to a team option ? Is that even legal? I’d take him if that was the case but doubt he gives up that cheddar.

But yeah if we get all our picks back, keep our you guys and change that last year to a team option, then phuck ya welcome to miami cp3.

no

No as in not legal or no as in fak cp3

Not legal

[fishfuego.]

It would be a mistake for Miami to trade assets with OKC as a lateral movement. IMO is not straight up better than players such as Dragic, Waiters and such. At this point he is just a name with a huge contract and not much more.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Yes, Winslow is a good 3pt shooter when wide open, not a good 3pt shooter with a defender near him(probably rushes his shot).

It's kind of irrelevant whether or not he's making 3s while being guarded or open.

It absolutely is relevant, it can limit what can and can't be done on the court. A shooter like Waiters doesn't really drop all that significantly with a defender close to him vs a guy like Winslow who has to be open, that changes your option on offense on where you place him to stretch out the court. A 3pt shooter may move to a less open spot to manipulate the defense to try to give a playmaker more room to operate in a specific area of the court. Also, a guy who can only shoot 3s well wide open has to be "open" so a defender doesn't have to worry about him as much, the defender can play the angles much better if he's is watching the passing lanes to the limited shooter. All these strengths and weaknesses can greatly alter options in offense and defense.

You don't get more points for shooting unguarded 3s vs shooting guarded 3s. You're basically arguing that Winslow isn't a 3-point threat because he doesn't attempt 7 3s a game. Also, you're wrong about a defender not having to worry about Winslow shooting 3s because he only shoots open 3s well. If Winslow's shooting 45% on open 3s, defenders will be MORE inclined to worry about him being open not less.

Think about this, Player A and B attempt 5 3s per 36 minutes. Player A shoots 36% from 3 but 34% on guarded 3s. Player B shoots 38% from 3 but 32% on guarded 3s. Who's the better 3-point shooter? Obviously player B.

[fishfuego.]

Don't we have this one guard shooting approximately 38% from 3 on high volume?

Waiters? A solid 3pt shooting guard who is an inefficient scorer(.530 TS%, highest in his career) in the prime of his career? Winslow's TS% was lower but you'd expect him to continue to get better for the next 3-5 years.

Thought we were talking about 3pt shooting?

There's a lot of inefficient players that contribute to good teams, don't see why we should throw out the baby with the bathwater

Uhm because you no longer want the baby?

[twix2500]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254850/Thunder-Seeking-Multiple-Young-Assets-From-Heat-For-Russell-Westbrook

Allegedly the asking price was Dragic, Winslow and Herro. If Herro doesnt blow up we will be questioning that move for a while.

I have no idea what the asking price is for Chris Paul, but the upside to that move is how he will make Bam and Herro better with easier shots. Ideally he should help Winslow also. Out of all the players on the market and considering our price range, i guess Paul might not be a bad idea. Sure he might not be healthy in the playoff but will help us get to the playoffs and make our role players better.

It would be a mistake for Miami to trade assets with OKC as a lateral movement. IMO is not straight up better than players such as Dragic, Waiters and such. At this point he is just a name with a huge contract and not much more.

I'm looking at getting Paul for Leonard, Johnson and Waiters. It's a perfect salary match and it satisfies both teams needs. Allows the Heat to now trade Dragic for some role players that fit.

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[Enso]

no

No as in not legal or no as in fak cp3

Not legal

Thank you for both your insight and vagueness in that original post

[Enso]

Leonard can’t be traded

[Cmon_Son-_-]

Read on Twitter

The way he's faming the trade it sounds like if this trade went down we'd be compensated well without giving much

[Daffy]

Such a shame Kemba or Kyrie wasn't becoming FAs next offseason instead.

[CWebb2491]

Can a player and team renegotiate a player to team option in their last year of the contract? Someone who actually knows?