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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1641 » by contract » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:17 am

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They are not letting him go. The S&T option will also not be worth it for them since it’ll probably only be 2nd round pick and cap exception. Duncan’s contract will be a main piece if a high priced star opens up. Especially once we get our picks to attach.

Only this fanbase believes that bad contracts are an asset. Tyler Johnson's bad contract got us Ryan Anderson ... and we're still paying off that contract.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1642 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:21 am

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They are not letting him go. The S&T option will also not be worth it for them since it’ll probably only be 2nd round pick and cap exception. Duncan’s contract will be a main piece if a high priced star opens up. Especially once we get our picks to attach.

Only this fanbase believes that bad contracts are an asset. Tyler Johnson's bad contract got up Ryan Anderson ... and we're still paying off that contract.

Don’t rope me into joe schmo fan base. Just projecting how the front office is most likely going to operate. I can’t say that i like it but i can also see why they are most likely going to do it.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1643 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:27 am

In the wake of the NBA trading deadline, Miami Heat President Pat Riley emphasized that his team’s involvement was about more than acquiring Victor Oladipo and Nemanja Bjelica.
He insisted it also was about protecting the future of Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson with his franchise.

“You can’t let go of those two assets, you can’t, because they could become truly great,” Riley said during a video media. “They’re very, very good players right now, and I think they’re probably a year or two away from making what their early max could be from a production standpoint.

“So I’d hate to have that come back at us if we were to do something and try to move them. But we’re not going to. So from that standpoint, what happened [Thursday] is you’re going to see Duncan, you’re going to see Tyler.”


-This is what Pat Riley had to say after the trade deadline. He’s matching Duncan.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1644 » by contract » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:31 am

MettaWorldPanda wrote:In the wake of the NBA trading deadline, Miami Heat President Pat Riley emphasized that his team’s involvement was about more than acquiring Victor Oladipo and Nemanja Bjelica.
He insisted it also was about protecting the future of Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson with his franchise.

“You can’t let go of those two assets, you can’t, because they could become truly great,” Riley said during a video media. “They’re very, very good players right now, and I think they’re probably a year or two away from making what their early max could be from a production standpoint.

“So I’d hate to have that come back at us if we were to do something and try to move them. But we’re not going to. So from that standpoint, what happened [Thursday] is you’re going to see Duncan, you’re going to see Tyler.”


-This is what Pat Riley had to say after the trade deadline. He’s matching Duncan.

I'm sure we will just like we did with TJ. Still foolish. As far as the rest of it ... just Pat Riley pumping with hopes of dumping those assets at inflated prices.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1645 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:35 am

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:In the wake of the NBA trading deadline, Miami Heat President Pat Riley emphasized that his team’s involvement was about more than acquiring Victor Oladipo and Nemanja Bjelica.
He insisted it also was about protecting the future of Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson with his franchise.

“You can’t let go of those two assets, you can’t, because they could become truly great,” Riley said during a video media. “They’re very, very good players right now, and I think they’re probably a year or two away from making what their early max could be from a production standpoint.

“So I’d hate to have that come back at us if we were to do something and try to move them. But we’re not going to. So from that standpoint, what happened [Thursday] is you’re going to see Duncan, you’re going to see Tyler.”


-This is what Pat Riley had to say after the trade deadline. He’s matching Duncan.

I'm sure we will just like we did with TJ. Still foolish. As far as the rest of it ... just Pat Riley pumping with hopes of dumping those assets at inflated prices.

He had no reason to pump a restricted free agent in Duncan after the deadline passed. He had the chance to trade him and didn’t. He now has to match or lose the asset he was trying to pump. Better hope Duncan can turn into Reggie Miller instead of going the TJ route. It’s probably more likely they trade Herro in a deal attached with Dragic and Iguodala for something worth while.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1646 » by DayofMourning » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:37 am

I want Wiseman....

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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1647 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:39 am

DayofMourning wrote:I want Wiseman....


Riley would never :lol:
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1648 » by Kobewade11 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:48 am

MettaWorldPanda wrote:In the wake of the NBA trading deadline, Miami Heat President Pat Riley emphasized that his team’s involvement was about more than acquiring Victor Oladipo and Nemanja Bjelica.
He insisted it also was about protecting the future of Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson with his franchise.

“You can’t let go of those two assets, you can’t, because they could become truly great,” Riley said during a video media. “They’re very, very good players right now, and I think they’re probably a year or two away from making what their early max could be from a production standpoint.

“So I’d hate to have that come back at us if we were to do something and try to move them. But we’re not going to. So from that standpoint, what happened [Thursday] is you’re going to see Duncan, you’re going to see Tyler.”


-This is what Pat Riley had to say after the trade deadline. He’s matching Duncan.

Those quotes were just Riley playing politics to keep those guys from losing their confidence. Hours prior we were fully prepared to ship Duncan’s ass out but Toronto wanted to dick around.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1649 » by IggieCC » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:54 am

GS should be able to get an all star (caliber player) for Wiseman, Wiggie, and 8th pick.

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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1650 » by DayofMourning » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:58 am

IggieCC wrote:GS should be able to get an all star (caliber player) for Wiseman, Wiggie, and 8th pick.

I don't think it's happening retired MoD AKA DoM


Put my GM hat on the other day. Phucked around and ended up with a lineup of:

Wiseman
Evan Mobley
Ziaire Williams
Jalen Green/Moses Moody
Collin Sexton

Gave myself a big ole pat on the back.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1651 » by contract » Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:00 am

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:In the wake of the NBA trading deadline, Miami Heat President Pat Riley emphasized that his team’s involvement was about more than acquiring Victor Oladipo and Nemanja Bjelica.
He insisted it also was about protecting the future of Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson with his franchise.

“You can’t let go of those two assets, you can’t, because they could become truly great,” Riley said during a video media. “They’re very, very good players right now, and I think they’re probably a year or two away from making what their early max could be from a production standpoint.

“So I’d hate to have that come back at us if we were to do something and try to move them. But we’re not going to. So from that standpoint, what happened [Thursday] is you’re going to see Duncan, you’re going to see Tyler.”


-This is what Pat Riley had to say after the trade deadline. He’s matching Duncan.

I'm sure we will just like we did with TJ. Still foolish. As far as the rest of it ... just Pat Riley pumping with hopes of dumping those assets at inflated prices.

He had no reason to pump a restricted free agent in Duncan after the deadline passed. He had the chance to trade him and didn’t. He now has to match or lose the asset he was trying to pump. Better hope Duncan can turn into Reggie Miller instead of going the TJ route. It’s probably more likely they trade Herro in a deal attached with Dragic and Iguodala for something worth while.

Of course he had reason. Like you said, we're matching any offer for him.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1652 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:01 am

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:In the wake of the NBA trading deadline, Miami Heat President Pat Riley emphasized that his team’s involvement was about more than acquiring Victor Oladipo and Nemanja Bjelica.
He insisted it also was about protecting the future of Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson with his franchise.

“You can’t let go of those two assets, you can’t, because they could become truly great,” Riley said during a video media. “They’re very, very good players right now, and I think they’re probably a year or two away from making what their early max could be from a production standpoint.

“So I’d hate to have that come back at us if we were to do something and try to move them. But we’re not going to. So from that standpoint, what happened [Thursday] is you’re going to see Duncan, you’re going to see Tyler.”


-This is what Pat Riley had to say after the trade deadline. He’s matching Duncan.

Those quotes were just Riley playing politics to keep those guys from losing their confidence. Hours prior we were fully prepared to ship Duncan’s ass out but Toronto wanted to dick around.

He should of shipped him out instead now we have to deal with his restricted.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1653 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:03 am

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IggieCC wrote:GS should be able to get an all star (caliber player) for Wiseman, Wiggie, and 8th pick.

I don't think it's happening retired MoD AKA DoM


Put my GM hat on the other day. Phucked around and ended up with a lineup of:

Wiseman
Evan Mobley
Ziaire Williams
Jalen Green/Moses Moody
Collin Sexton

Gave myself a big ole pat on the back.

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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1654 » by contract » Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:08 am

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:In the wake of the NBA trading deadline, Miami Heat President Pat Riley emphasized that his team’s involvement was about more than acquiring Victor Oladipo and Nemanja Bjelica.
He insisted it also was about protecting the future of Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson with his franchise.

“You can’t let go of those two assets, you can’t, because they could become truly great,” Riley said during a video media. “They’re very, very good players right now, and I think they’re probably a year or two away from making what their early max could be from a production standpoint.

“So I’d hate to have that come back at us if we were to do something and try to move them. But we’re not going to. So from that standpoint, what happened [Thursday] is you’re going to see Duncan, you’re going to see Tyler.”


-This is what Pat Riley had to say after the trade deadline. He’s matching Duncan.

Those quotes were just Riley playing politics to keep those guys from losing their confidence. Hours prior we were fully prepared to ship Duncan’s ass out but Toronto wanted to dick around.

He should of shipped him out instead now we have to deal with his restricted.

Should have? Yeah. But from his perspective there's no point in developing assets just to give them away cheap.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1655 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:09 am

Riley should have had plan ABCD to trade Duncan during the deadline for prime value. Now he has no choice but to match. Teams with cap space who sign him to an offer sheet will comically laugh at the thought of having to S&T trade valuable assets to the Heat.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1656 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:11 am

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Kobewade11 wrote:Those quotes were just Riley playing politics to keep those guys from losing their confidence. Hours prior we were fully prepared to ship Duncan’s ass out but Toronto wanted to dick around.

He should of shipped him out instead now we have to deal with his restricted.

Should have? Yeah. But from his perspective there's no point in developing assets just to give them away cheap.

Exactly. That’s why we should all brace ourselves for the inevitable match.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1657 » by DayofMourning » Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:14 am

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I remember him best as a New Orleans Pelican...

"During the pre-draft process, the New Orleans Hornets had zeroed in on Davis and Lilliard, hoping to draft both and make them the cornerstones of the franchise. This was a realistic scenario and likely wouldn't have happened if Lillard's stock hadn't significantly increased it the weeks leading up to the draft . . . .

"New Orleans' top option was to draft Lillard. They believed he had star potential and loved the idea of building around Davis and Lillard going forward. At the time, Lillard was being projected as a late-lottery pick since he came from a small school in Weber State where he was primarily a scorer. There were some in NBA circles who wondered if he could be a facilitator and play point guar in the NBA. . . .

"The Hornets' front office worked out many players but it was clear that Davis and Lillard were their two primary targets. New Orleans hoped that Lillard wouldn't climb into the top 10 because they loved the idea of having their point guard and big man of the future. They thought Davis and Lillard complemented one another nicely. . . . ."


That's a pretty interesting "what if".
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1658 » by twix2500 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:16 am

From all indications the Heat are not planning on letting Duncan explore free agency. They are expecting to offer him their deal before free agency starts. Nunn is the player they want to see what the market dictates and match if its reasonable

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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1659 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:21 am

twix2500 wrote:From all indications the Heat are not planning on letting Duncan explore free agency. They are expecting to offer him their deal before free agency starts. Nunn is the playing they want to see what the market dictates and match if its reasonable

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Yup. This is correct. Especially since they will work as an over the cap team they won’t have to wait. Nunn worst case scenario if he gets offered 15 or more they will take the S&T 2nd and 4.7 million cap exception. I don’t think he gets anywhere near that tbh. The PG market has deepened a bit. I also don’t see a starting spot for him around the league. I think he gets a mid level 10-11 type deal. Curious if we even match that considering if we do a S&T for someone we are at the mercy of the Apron with the front court to fill with the MLE.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#1660 » by twix2500 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:47 am

Heat should have all their major trades completed prior or during the moratorium. It will be a bad sign if they haven't made moves and resign their own players when free agency starts. Should be only one player they will be considering matching and that's Nunn. Robinson and Dedmon should not hit free agency

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