MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.3

[Wiltside]

Otto Porter Jr off to GSW for the minimum. That'd would've been a cheap, quality signing. Damn.

yeah but he chose that team for a reason and we probably couldn't match the environmental factors otto was looking at. So for as his price point probably wasn't there and he wasn't a viable target. I mean we don't know for sure without talking to him, but it was said he turned down MLEs to play for GSW at the min. So he sees something there he wasn't seeing elsewhere. Also probably rules out any chance oubre had of returning.

Oubre another guy whose market is drying up quickly too.

[AirP.]

Since there's time to expand the trade, would Lowry take less to get DeRozan to Miami with him? I'm not sure how much money Miami can S&T Nunn for right now and stay under the hard cap and I'm not sure Lowry will take less to help make that happen.

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[Variable-X]

Otto Porter Jr off to GSW for the minimum. That'd would've been a cheap, quality signing. Damn.

yeah but he chose that team for a reason and we probably couldn't match the environmental factors otto was looking at. So for as his price point probably wasn't there and he wasn't a viable target. I mean we don't know for sure without talking to him, but it was said he turned down MLEs to play for GSW at the min. So he sees something there he wasn't seeing elsewhere. Also probably rules out any chance oubre had of returning.

Oubre another guy whose market is drying up quickly too.

Agreed but given Oubre's age and potential, he will probably find someone's full MLE at the least. There are a number of teams that haven't used theirs yet. I could see a team thin on the wing burning their MLE to take a flyer on him for a year.

[Wiltside]

Since there's time to expand the trade, would Lowry take less to get DeRozan to Miami with him? I'm not sure how much money Miami can S&T Nunn for right now and stay under the hard cap and I'm not sure Lowry will take less to help make that happen.

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This scenario has crossed my mind re: Lowry taking less to accommodate his boy. I guess we'll see what shakes out over the next 24hrs or so...

[CanesHeatFins]

All I want to know if we outright own 1st round pick this year?

We do...but we also have a pick swap owed with Houston/Brooklyn following the Oladipo trade...so a fair incentive to have a better regular season than them...

Yeah I believe no matter what happens with us this year our pick will be mid to late twenties. Which isn't the worse thing in the world if we take our time scouting and apply the diligence we do to developing undrafted players to a late first rounder. We have gotten value from those spots before. As much as people like to give norris cole trouble he played a solid role for us in the championship years. And Shabazz Napier has developed into a solid player that could have done well on the heat in Riley wasn't so upset with Lebron.

So we don't own our 2022 pick ? Who has the right to swap, Houston or Brooklyn?

[Wiltside]

We do...but we also have a pick swap owed with Houston/Brooklyn following the Oladipo trade...so a fair incentive to have a better regular season than them...

Yeah I believe no matter what happens with us this year our pick will be mid to late twenties. Which isn't the worse thing in the world if we take our time scouting and apply the diligence we do to developing undrafted players to a late first rounder. We have gotten value from those spots before. As much as people like to give norris cole trouble he played a solid role for us in the championship years. And Shabazz Napier has developed into a solid player that could have done well on the heat in Riley wasn't so upset with Lebron.

So we don't own our 2022 pick ? Who has the right to swap, Houston or Brooklyn?

Houston. They can pick the more favourable between us and Brooklyn I believe (could be wrong, but that was my understanding from memory).

[Beenie]

Offer Herro and sign n trade Iggie (last good payday and now that Porter signed with GS, a return there is less likely) to Detroit for Jerimi Grant.

Bey might be their stretch 4 for the future and they just inked Oylnyk so moving Grant for a shooter who is on the same timeline as Cunningham might make sense for them.

[HeatIn5]

Yeah I believe no matter what happens with us this year our pick will be mid to late twenties. Which isn't the worse thing in the world if we take our time scouting and apply the diligence we do to developing undrafted players to a late first rounder. We have gotten value from those spots before. As much as people like to give norris cole trouble he played a solid role for us in the championship years. And Shabazz Napier has developed into a solid player that could have done well on the heat in Riley wasn't so upset with Lebron.

So we don't own our 2022 pick ? Who has the right to swap, Houston or Brooklyn?

Houston. They can pick the more favourable between us and Brooklyn I believe (could be wrong, but that was my understanding from memory).

IIRC, Houston gets top 2 out of them, us, and Brook, and we get the 3rd

I was under the understanding that we'll likely have Brooklyns first

[Wiltside]

So we don't own our 2022 pick ? Who has the right to swap, Houston or Brooklyn?

Houston. They can pick the more favourable between us and Brooklyn I believe (could be wrong, but that was my understanding from memory).

IIRC, Houston gets top 2 out of them, us, and Brook, and we get the 3rd

I was under the understanding that we'll likely have Brooklyns first

I think you're right HB.

[Wiltside]

Very intrigued to see what else we're planning here. Stein is reasonably plugged in, so if he thinks we're after DeRozan, he's probably right.

Would DeMar be willing to be a super sub though? After averaging 21/5/5 or thereabouts, I can't imagine he's that keen to be a 6th man...but who knows.

[Mk613]

We really gonna complain about 2yrs, $3.5m for a guy who went from 2-way to solid rotation player when called upon?

6pts in 13mpg, 1.3 treys per game, has sneaky athleticism too for a guy that size.

Personally I think it's a no brainer. We need shooters, and Strus will get better now that he's had reps at the top level.

Solid player?

You aren't providing a basis for your critique. What is it in your opinion that makes him a bad player? He isn't going to be particularly well rounded at his experience level or price point, but he seems to have the potential to expand beyond a specialist role. What are you looking for out of a player in his first season, undrafted, costing less than 2 million?

Second season. Do ya research.. smh played with the bulls 2019. And seriously if you can’t make that garbage of a team then smh.

Could easily find one of him off the scrap heap of FA and udfa. Would prefer someone with a more well rounded game offensively and defensively and he like Robinson is Huge liability on the D.

You guys over value guys like him . There ain’t nothing special bout him he’s not even a specialist

Would much rather bring back nunn instead of strus least nunn could score when given the opportunity..

[Wiltside]

I don't think anyone is arguing they'd rather have Strus over Nunn?

Is Nunn going to accept 2yrs / $3.5m? Highly unlikely.

Now, he may be humbled into coming back on the QO, but we'll see.

[Mk613]

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Another bad signing..

[Mk613]

I don't think anyone is arguing they'd rather have Strus over Nunn?

Is Nunn going to accept 2yrs / $3.5m? Highly unlikely.

Now, he may be humbled into coming back on the QO, but we'll see.

If they weren’t stupid giving contracts to guys like strus and Vincent yeah they probably could bring nunn back but Riley is too blinded by thinking that Heat culture can make anyone good
Or over paying guys like Jimmy,Lowry, Robinson and tucker they would have $ but nope overpay practically everyone today.

[HeatingUp3]

Got up and I see what the Heat have done. I like it we are wat better defensively but we lack of a big man that can shot and we lack a go to scorer. A bucket getter.
Maybe something with Herro and Nunn will come next.
I hate that Gabe and Strus signing. Why pay them more then the minimum? There are still guys out there we could've gotten for that money which could actually be a rotation players.
Let's see how it ends

[HeatIn5]

I hate that Gabe and Strus signing. Why pay them more then the minimum? There are still guys out there we could've gotten for that money which could actually be a rotation players.
Let's see how it ends

Im almost positive their contracts are minimums

[dean456]

I hate that Gabe and Strus signing. Why pay them more then the minimum? There are still guys out there we could've gotten for that money which could actually be a rotation players.
Let's see how it ends

Im almost positive their contracts are minimums

They are both 2yr minimum deals. Don't know why guys are still complaining they are end of the bench guys and break in case of emergency.

[HeatingUp3]

I hate that Gabe and Strus signing. Why pay them more then the minimum? There are still guys out there we could've gotten for that money which could actually be a rotation players.
Let's see how it ends

Im almost positive their contracts are minimums

They are both 2yr minimum deals. Don't know why guys are still complaining they are end of the bench guys and break in case of emergency.

Complaining if they were more then the minimum makes sense. If they are on the minimum i couldn't care less.

[Wiltside]

A tale of 2 shooters.

Duncan Robinson is 27yrs old and just signed a 5yr, $90m deal with Miami ($18m per)

Doug McDermott is a 29yr old and just signed a 3yr, $42m deal with the Spurs ($14m per)

Both deals take them through to 32 years old.

Robinson: 13.1ppg, 3.5rpg, 1.8apg, 0.6spg, 0.3bpg, 1.1tpg, 31.4mpg on 43.9%FG, 40.8% 3FG (3.5 per) and 82.7% FT (0.9 per). 61.4% eFG.

McDermott: 13.6ppg, 3.3rpg, 1.3apg, 0.3spg, 0.1bpg, 0.8tpg, 24.5mpg on 53.2%FG, 38.8% 3FG (1.7 per) and 81.6% FT (1.2 per). 61.6% eFG.

Did we get finessed a little here? McBuckets looks like a really solid option side by side at $4m cheaper.

I suppose the closest comparison's to Duncan are also probably Bertans (signed for 5/80 last year at $16m per) and Joe Harris (4/75 at $18.75m per). Hoping that adding Lowry and perhaps some tweaks of our offensive system means we get Duncan some cleaner looks and he can go back to 2020 efficiency of 66.7% eFG.

[Mk613]

A tale of 2 shooters.

Duncan Robinson is 27yrs old and just signed a 5yr, $90m deal with Miami ($18m per)

Doug McDermott is a 29yr old and just signed a 3yr, $42m deal with the Spurs ($14m per)

Both deals take them through to 32 years old.

Robinson: 13.1ppg, 3.5rpg, 1.8apg, 0.6spg, 0.3bpg, 1.1tpg, 31.4mpg on 43.9%FG, 40.8% 3FG (3.5 per) and 82.7% FT (0.9 per). 61.4% eFG.

McDermott: 13.6ppg, 3.3rpg, 1.3apg, 0.3spg, 0.1bpg, 0.8tpg, 24.5mpg on 53.2%FG, 38.8% 3FG (1.7 per) and 81.6% FT (1.2 per). 61.6% eFG.

Did we get finessed a little here? McBuckets looks like a really solid option side by side at $4m cheaper.

I suppose the closest comparison's to Duncan are also probably Bertans (signed for 5/80 last year at $16m per) and Joe Harris (4/75 at $18.75m per). Hoping that adding Lowry and perhaps some tweaks of our offensive system means we get Duncan some cleaner looks and he can go back to 2020 efficiency of 66.7% eFG.

Robinson should have gotten McDermott $ not joe Harris $.