2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition

[Kobewade11]

This 8 game stretch by Lowry is mythical at this point lmaoooo

The guy has a bad attitude and even worse conditioning.

Herro has enough issues, no reason to blame Lowry on him too haha

I dont even know why we glorify an 8 game stretch with only 3 wins, 2 against the 4th worst team in basketball.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Next we’ll be hearing Jovic was untouchable for Dame

[al bondiga]

23 y.o. That doesn't like contact... normal

We should all be happy that he has such a big basketball IQ... When the Other facets of his life catch up, He probably won't have only a big basketball IQ and Herro should become A pretty good player

In a pick up game I Haven't really seen A young good player School an old good player... I have only watched on TV a few NBA phenoms do it...example... kobe

Let's wait and see what happens

[ShulaDon92]

23 y.o. That doesn't like contact... normal

We should all be happy that he has such a big basketball IQ... When the Other facets of his life catch up, He probably won't have only a big basketball IQ and Herro should become A pretty good player

In a pick up game I Haven't really seen A young good player School an old good player... I have only watched on TV a few NBA phenoms do it...example... kobe

Let's wait and see what happens

Herro can be a good role player that sticks around at least.

I was spoiled watching Wade , a top 10 all time guard, develop.

Herro, as is now, is a tough sell as an all-time potential guy lol

Clutch genes, tho, looks like it.

[Hallstar]

This 8 game stretch by Lowry is mythical at this point lmaoooo

The guy has a bad attitude and even worse conditioning.

Herro has enough issues, no reason to blame Lowry on him too haha

I actually get why he may have a bad attitude, if you had multiple teams interested in you for big money you get signed and then have his role diminished by a volume shooter like Herro, Herro should be playing off Lowry, Butler and Bam getting a high volume of 3s and knocking them down vs dancing with the ball and taking most of his shots from 2pt range.

For having bad conditioning and being fat he was able to give Miami a 50-minute game this year. I think it's beyond ridiculous to sign Lowry then turn him into a small SG much like it was stupid to pay Robinson and then take away DHOs from him that he feasted off of, Miami could have gotten E.Gordon to do that role at a cheaper cost. There's a lot of questionable signings and what it looks like is that Spoelstra and the FO aren't on the same page, not sure why Spoelstra would want Robinson paid 90 mil and then quit using him in less than a season.

In other words, let's get worse offensively. Lol at Herro hijacking the offense. Dudes really say anything they want on here

[ShulaDon92]

This 8 game stretch by Lowry is mythical at this point lmaoooo

The guy has a bad attitude and even worse conditioning.

Herro has enough issues, no reason to blame Lowry on him too haha

I like how PHX is using Chris Paul right now. If Lowry didn't quit, we could use him the same way.

I never want Toronto's rejects ever again. Awful experience.

[Heat_Down_Under]

23 y.o. That doesn't like contact... normal

We should all be happy that he has such a big basketball IQ... When the Other facets of his life catch up, He probably won't have only a big basketball IQ and Herro should become A pretty good player

In a pick up game I Haven't really seen A young good player School an old good player... I have only watched on TV a few NBA phenoms do it...example... kobe

Let's wait and see what happens

Herro can be a good role player that sticks around at least.

I was spoiled watching Wade , a top 10 all time guard, develop.

Herro, as is now, is a tough sell as an all-time potential guy lol

Clutch genes, tho, looks like it.

Top 10 all time? How dare you Shula.. name me 9 all time guards better than Wade

[ShulaDon92]

23 y.o. That doesn't like contact... normal

We should all be happy that he has such a big basketball IQ... When the Other facets of his life catch up, He probably won't have only a big basketball IQ and Herro should become A pretty good player

In a pick up game I Haven't really seen A young good player School an old good player... I have only watched on TV a few NBA phenoms do it...example... kobe

Let's wait and see what happens

Herro can be a good role player that sticks around at least.

I was spoiled watching Wade , a top 10 all time guard, develop.

Herro, as is now, is a tough sell as an all-time potential guy lol

Clutch genes, tho, looks like it.

Top 10 all time? How dare you Shula.. name me 9 all time guards better than Wade

Jordan
Magic
Kobe
West
Curry

Here's 5

[AirP.]

This 8 game stretch by Lowry is mythical at this point lmaoooo

The guy has a bad attitude and even worse conditioning.

Herro has enough issues, no reason to blame Lowry on him too haha

I actually get why he may have a bad attitude, if you had multiple teams interested in you for big money you get signed and then have his role diminished by a volume shooter like Herro, Herro should be playing off Lowry, Butler and Bam getting a high volume of 3s and knocking them down vs dancing with the ball and taking most of his shots from 2pt range.

For having bad conditioning and being fat he was able to give Miami a 50-minute game this year. I think it's beyond ridiculous to sign Lowry then turn him into a small SG much like it was stupid to pay Robinson and then take away DHOs from him that he feasted off of, Miami could have gotten E.Gordon to do that role at a cheaper cost. There's a lot of questionable signings and what it looks like is that Spoelstra and the FO aren't on the same page, not sure why Spoelstra would want Robinson paid 90 mil and then quit using him in less than a season.

In other words, let's get worse offensively. Lol at Herro hijacking the offense. Dudes really say anything they want on here

Get worse offensively? I don't think removing a high volume score who isn't all that efficient will make the offense worse, there's a reason why his calculated ORTG is low, it's not an imaginary number but... there's people out there who only care about PPG vs what's actually best for the team. This is exactly why I decided to follow J.Butler, he's not a volume scorer but he absolutely can make a team much better with his play, you replace B.Beal with J.Butler and Washington would be a much better team although Butler would score less per game for Washington then Beal does.

[Tony15]

Herro can be a good role player that sticks around at least.

I was spoiled watching Wade , a top 10 all time guard, develop.

Herro, as is now, is a tough sell as an all-time potential guy lol

Clutch genes, tho, looks like it.

Top 10 all time? How dare you Shula.. name me 9 all time guards better than Wade

Jordan
Magic
Kobe
West
Curry

Here's 5

West? Nah playa & I can debate Kobe all day, but go either way there. I respected the **** out of Kobe (God rest his soul).

[Heat_Down_Under]

Herro can be a good role player that sticks around at least.

I was spoiled watching Wade , a top 10 all time guard, develop.

Herro, as is now, is a tough sell as an all-time potential guy lol

Clutch genes, tho, looks like it.

Top 10 all time? How dare you Shula.. name me 9 all time guards better than Wade

Jordan
Magic
Kobe
West
Curry

Here's 5

Not bad bro Jordan Kobe magic is a lock.. curry yeah I guess.. west/Big O is debateable.. Wade being the 3rd best SG of all time, I don’t see how anyone can put 6 PG’s ahead of him. I got Wade top 5 all time 6 at worst

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This 8 game stretch by Lowry is mythical at this point lmaoooo

The guy has a bad attitude and even worse conditioning.

Herro has enough issues, no reason to blame Lowry on him too haha

I actually get why he may have a bad attitude, if you had multiple teams interested in you for big money you get signed and then have his role diminished by a volume shooter like Herro, Herro should be playing off Lowry, Butler and Bam getting a high volume of 3s and knocking them down vs dancing with the ball and taking most of his shots from 2pt range.

For having bad conditioning and being fat he was able to give Miami a 50-minute game this year. I think it's beyond ridiculous to sign Lowry then turn him into a small SG much like it was stupid to pay Robinson and then take away DHOs from him that he feasted off of, Miami could have gotten E.Gordon to do that role at a cheaper cost. There's a lot of questionable signings and what it looks like is that Spoelstra and the FO aren't on the same page, not sure why Spoelstra would want Robinson paid 90 mil and then quit using him in less than a season.

In other words, let's get worse offensively. Lol at Herro hijacking the offense. Dudes really say anything they want on here

You haven’t backed a single take you have with literally anything other than your opinion lol

[ShulaDon92]

Top 10 all time? How dare you Shula.. name me 9 all time guards better than Wade

Jordan
Magic
Kobe
West
Curry

Here's 5

West? Nah playa & I can debate Kobe all day, but go either way there. I respected the **** out of Kobe (God rest his soul).

Wade has a top tier peak but just like with LeBron breaking the scoring record, you have to respect career numbers when it comes to West. He is the logo, after all.

Chris Paul has to be considered in the mix up there in the top 10 too.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

47 players in the nba take 16 or more shots a game (Herro takes 17) Herro ranks 44th in PPG and 37th in TS%

You would think this dude was putting up Lillard numbers the way he gets talked about

[Flash4thewin]

To assume he's done developing is a bit of a stretch IMO. He's 23 years old. Look at the leap Bam took this year and he's 25. Jermaine O'Neal spent four years as a part time rotation player in Portland before finding his footing in the league, Kyle Lowry wasn't much more than a reserve for a lot of his early years, and Jimmy was just a defensive wing with no real offensive game and we all know how he's turned out.

I think it's fair to say that Tyler needs to really push himself to be better and that he's at a career crossroads, but I don't think it's fair to just assume he's a finished product. I also think he should be available in trade, along with Lowry's expiring contract, Jovic (only if need be) our 2023 first, 2028 first, and 2030 first for whatever star player we can get to put next to Jimmy and Bam...

My concern with Herro is he doesn't seem to have a knack for drawing fouls and consistently getting to the line. I am not asking him to average 10ftpg, but I think he has got to get around 5ftpg. He doesn't seem to be able to get to the bucket and get himself easy shots, and I am not sure either of these things is going to change.

The other thing is, I think Herro is a reasonably replaceable player. Is he really much better than, say, Jordan Clarkson, Buddy Hield, or Gary Trent?

I could see Herro getting traded in the summer for VanVleet. I would hope if Beal asked to be traded Miami would pass simply because of that insane contract. I doubt Lillard becomes available, but Riley would offer everything under the sun to get him.

When the refs are already gifting us some beyond questionable free throws with Butler, no way they will give some to Herro. That’s just how the game is played. The scary part is what the refs giveth they can easily take away.

[ShulaDon92]

47 players in the nba take 16 or more shots a game (Herro takes 17) Herro ranks 44th in PPG and 37th in TS%

You would think this dude was putting up Lillard numbers the way he gets talked about

Herro doesn't even get talked about outside of Heat nation. Not sure what you mean.

[al bondiga]

Jordan
Magic
Kobe
West
Curry

Here's 5

West? Nah playa & I can debate Kobe all day, but go either way there. I respected the **** out of Kobe (God rest his soul).

Wade has a top tier peak but just like with LeBron breaking the scoring record, you have to respect career numbers when it comes to West. He is the logo, after all.

Chris Paul has to be considered in the mix up there in the top 10 too.

I would say those 5 are locked ...Wade enters in the next tier... You have to take into account History on the way the game has evolved... For example wade Was the 1st one Who was an incredible point guard and then an Incredible shooting guard

[ShulaDon92]

West? Nah playa & I can debate Kobe all day, but go either way there. I respected the **** out of Kobe (God rest his soul).

Wade has a top tier peak but just like with LeBron breaking the scoring record, you have to respect career numbers when it comes to West. He is the logo, after all.

Chris Paul has to be considered in the mix up there in the top 10 too.

I would say those 5 are locked ...Wade enters in the next tier... You have to take into account History on the way the game has evolved... For example wade Was the 1st one Who was an incredible point guard and then an Incredible shooting guard

Wade played like Allen Iverson and Baron Davis. Wade was blessed with better passing skills than both of em. But he wasn't an originator at all.

[Wiltside]

I don’t think anyone said Herro had all-time potential. I’d say the consensus is he could make a couple All-Star games during his career, but he’s not a superstar and never will be. That’s ok, there are only a handful of true superstars in this league and Herro can still be a valuable player and contributor.

He doesn’t look right at the moment. I dunno what it is, but he needs to sort himself out before the playoffs come. When the defense ramps up, games slow down and physicality increases, if he’s playing like he is now he’ll get clamped.

Needs to watch tape on his December and get back to being that guy. Missing some swag at the moment.

[al bondiga]

Wade has a top tier peak but just like with LeBron breaking the scoring record, you have to respect career numbers when it comes to West. He is the logo, after all.

Chris Paul has to be considered in the mix up there in the top 10 too.

I would say those 5 are locked ...Wade enters in the next tier... You have to take into account History on the way the game has evolved... For example wade Was the 1st one Who was an incredible point guard and then an Incredible shooting guard

Wade played like Allen Iverson and Baron Davis. Wade was blessed with better passing skills than both of em. But he wasn't an originator at all.

I agree Lazy passers with both of those cases ... Iverson was super but he couldn't defend a very good big guard... And with Davis Team play was an issue

But what really set Wade apart was his basketball IQ