Miami Heat 2024 Regular Season - Thread 4.0

[MettaWorldPanda]

That prototypical big we are looking for is just not going to be available for the players we are offering and also the lack of draft capital has us a little with our hands tied behind our backs. It almost seems like a forgone conclusion that Jovic will be needed as a sweetener in order to get something useful using Duncan's contract that still has 19.4 next year and 19.9(9.9 guaranteed) for the next two years that we have to try and get out of to salvage the cap. Now the final year of the deal of Duncan will render him a very tradeable contract so basically a team is just going to carry him at the price tag for one more year.

Teams that could be willing to take on Duncan with the sweetener are the Utah Jazz(Kelly Olynyk and other expiring's like Horton or Dunn) and the Pistons with Bojan Bogdonovic or Alec Burks with Monte Morris. If we go all in on offense then Bojan Bogdonovic at the stretch 4 spot could be lethal with Bam and Butler. Spo could always tinker with the backcourt and can start Martin or J Rich at the 2 convincing Herro to take back the 6th man role in order to accommodate a veteran like Bogi. Also keep in mind that Duncan's old college coach is part of the front office for the Pistons and has always been a big fan of his. Might make this all the more realistic

Duncan Robinson and Nikola Jovic 20.5 million

to the Pistons for

Bojan Bogdonovic 20 million(expiring) and a 2027 2nd rd pick.

[RexBoyWonder]

That prototypical big we are looking for is just not going to be available for the players we are offering and also the lack of draft capital has us a little with our hands tied behind our backs. It almost seems like a forgone conclusion that Jovic will be needed as a sweetener in order to get something useful using Duncan's contract that still has 19.4 next year and 19.9(9.9 guaranteed) for the next two years that we have to try and get out of to salvage the cap. Now the final year of the deal of Duncan will render him a very tradeable contract so basically a team is just going to carry him at the price tag for one more year.

Teams that could be willing to take on Duncan with the sweetener are the Utah Jazz(Kelly Olynyk and other expiring's like Horton or Dunn) and the Pistons with Bojan Bogdonovic or Alec Burks with Monte Morris. If we go all in on offense then Bojan Bogdonovic at the stretch 4 spot could be lethal with Bam and Butler. Spo could always tinker with the backcourt and can start Martin or J Rich at the 2 convincing Herro to take back the 6th man role in order to accommodate a veteran like Bogi. Also keep in mind that Duncan's old college coach is part of the front office for the Pistons and has always been a big fan of his. Might make this all the more realistic

Duncan Robinson and Nikola Jovic 20.5 million

to the Pistons for

Bojan Bogdonovic 20 million(expiring) and a 2027 2nd rd pick.

Its just bad business to sell low on Jovic right now, you won't get fair value for a 20YO 6'10 kid that showed glimpses of being the shooting PF we've been looking for the past 5 years.

I wouldnt do it for 35Yo Bojan, despite loving his game

[AirP.]

That prototypical big we are looking for is just not going to be available for the players we are offering and also the lack of draft capital has us a little with our hands tied behind our backs. It almost seems like a forgone conclusion that Jovic will be needed as a sweetener in order to get something useful using Duncan's contract that still has 19.4 next year and 19.9(9.9 guaranteed) for the next two years that we have to try and get out of to salvage the cap. Now the final year of the deal of Duncan will render him a very tradeable contract so basically a team is just going to carry him at the price tag for one more year.

Teams that could be willing to take on Duncan with the sweetener are the Utah Jazz(Kelly Olynyk and other expiring's like Horton or Dunn) and the Pistons with Bojan Bogdonovic or Alec Burks with Monte Morris. If we go all in on offense then Bojan Bogdonovic at the stretch 4 spot could be lethal with Bam and Butler. Spo could always tinker with the backcourt and can start Martin or J Rich at the 2 convincing Herro to take back the 6th man role in order to accommodate a veteran like Bogi. Also keep in mind that Duncan's old college coach is part of the front office for the Pistons and has always been a big fan of his. Might make this all the more realistic

Duncan Robinson and Nikola Jovic 20.5 million

to the Pistons for

Bojan Bogdonovic 20 million(expiring) and a 2027 2nd rd pick.

How about taking a chance with Otto Porter Jr (6'8'' 198) who's 30 coming off foot surgery a year ago at 6.3 mil expiring contract?

Go nuts, try to move Robinson for Otto and Schroder. Get some depth at PF and get your scoring 6th man.

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[Beenie]

That prototypical big we are looking for is just not going to be available for the players we are offering and also the lack of draft capital has us a little with our hands tied behind our backs. It almost seems like a forgone conclusion that Jovic will be needed as a sweetener in order to get something useful using Duncan's contract that still has 19.4 next year and 19.9(9.9 guaranteed) for the next two years that we have to try and get out of to salvage the cap. Now the final year of the deal of Duncan will render him a very tradeable contract so basically a team is just going to carry him at the price tag for one more year.

Teams that could be willing to take on Duncan with the sweetener are the Utah Jazz(Kelly Olynyk and other expiring's like Horton or Dunn) and the Pistons with Bojan Bogdonovic or Alec Burks with Monte Morris. If we go all in on offense then Bojan Bogdonovic at the stretch 4 spot could be lethal with Bam and Butler. Spo could always tinker with the backcourt and can start Martin or J Rich at the 2 convincing Herro to take back the 6th man role in order to accommodate a veteran like Bogi. Also keep in mind that Duncan's old college coach is part of the front office for the Pistons and has always been a big fan of his. Might make this all the more realistic

Duncan Robinson and Nikola Jovic 20.5 million

to the Pistons for

Bojan Bogdonovic 20 million(expiring) and a 2027 2nd rd pick.

I really liked my Herro and Martin for Rozier and Bridges idea for both cap reasons as well as fit.

Keep Lowry’s expiring which pacifies Jimmy while also bolstering the teams overall athleticism.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Their ain’t no **** way lol

Jarring if true.

OCK, NYK, or Hou I’m guessing are the interested parties.

OKC makes a ton of sense. He’d be a great fit there.

If Embiid becomes available OkC needs to trade for him and then a 3rd piece like bridges would be perfect. Idk what OKC is waiting for they’re fighting for the 1st seed and have 15 1sts and 21 2nds. Easily the best assets in the league not even including their young guys. Hell I don’t see how they see us struggling and aren’t offering 5-6 1sts for Bam.

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Jalen
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Chet
Embiid

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Are we sure Martin is expiring? Has he played himself out of the $7M range? I’m not so sure he has this season although I’m sure some team will swoop in and offer him lime 4/48 or something

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Rex started the agenda, I’m just riding the wave. I’m all for this, better player, much more versatile. Great size, fills a position of need, etc. something like this frees up Rozier and gives Bam and Jimmy help in the front court

[Flash4thewin]

The biggest misconception going right now is having to deal Martin when he’s actually a cap favorable contract that either gets opted in at a low 7 million dollar rate or S&T in the offseason. He’s exactly the type of player they would be seeking in trade right now for Duncan Robinson who holds a 19.4 million cap figure next year. If the Heat can swap out Duncan for let’s say a Bojan Bogdonovic that would shave 20 million off the cap next year and give us cap flexibility to use the MLE.

I don't understand why you're unwilling to consider Herro as the moveable piece. He has more value and his game overlaps with Rozier's, big-time. I'd much rather move on from Herro than Duncan.

Does he have more value? This is an honest question. It should be noted like you said Herro and Terry overlap and we saw how cheap we got Terry. That makes Herro and his value questionable, but I could be wrong here. For us Duncan is important but Mickey won't pay the tax for this team so something has to give.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Are we sure Martin is expiring? Has he played himself out of the $7M range? I’m not so sure he has this season although I’m sure some team will swoop in and offer him lime 4/48 or something

It might work in the Heats favor if he just opts into his 7 million. Either way he's like a house money player cause for 6.8 million you got a player who almost won ECF MVP last year. They are not going to get equal value in trade. Might as well keep him and either let him opt in or S&T for a 2nd rd pick if he gets a nice deal somewhere like Strus.

[BBallFreak]

The biggest misconception going right now is having to deal Martin when he’s actually a cap favorable contract that either gets opted in at a low 7 million dollar rate or S&T in the offseason. He’s exactly the type of player they would be seeking in trade right now for Duncan Robinson who holds a 19.4 million cap figure next year. If the Heat can swap out Duncan for let’s say a Bojan Bogdonovic that would shave 20 million off the cap next year and give us cap flexibility to use the MLE.

I don't understand why you're unwilling to consider Herro as the moveable piece. He has more value and his game overlaps with Rozier's, big-time. I'd much rather move on from Herro than Duncan.

Does he have more value? This is an honest question. It should be noted like you said Herro and Terry overlap and we saw how cheap we got Terry. That makes Herro and his value questionable, but I could be wrong here. For us Duncan is important but Mickey won't pay the tax for this team so something has to give.

He's paying the tax this year. That's pretty obvious. And this summer, when we were supposedly shopping Herro, we were being offered expiring contracts and a first or two (based on what Portland wanted). I'm sure the same package could probably be rerouted for a player who fits next to Bam.

And if you're worried that that's all Herro will return, imagine how much less we'll get for Robinson...

[Beenie]

Jarring if true.

OCK, NYK, or Hou I’m guessing are the interested parties.

OKC makes a ton of sense. He’d be a great fit there.

If Embiid becomes available OkC needs to trade for him and then a 3rd piece like bridges would be perfect. Idk what OKC is waiting for they’re fighting for the 1st seed and have 15 1sts and 21 2nds. Easily the best assets in the league not even including their young guys. Hell I don’t see how they see us struggling and aren’t offering 5-6 1sts for Bam.

SGA
Jalen
Bridges
Chet
Embiid

Embiid?

Regarding Bridges, it just feels like Brooklyn would be fools to not consider a massive haul for him.

Again, I wonder if a package of Herro, JJJ, and picks gets their attention.

Fit wise, under Spo specifically, it’d be like a glove.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

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Rex started the agenda, I’m just riding the wave. I’m all for this, better player, much more versatile. Great size, fills a position of need, etc. something like this frees up Rozier and gives Bam and Jimmy help in the front court

Boston reporter just throwing out obvious guesses. Of course Grant is a perfect fit but don't mean it's going to happen. Very little chance considering Portland vehemently did not want Herro but yet we still think Cronin is a trading dance partner.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

OKC makes a ton of sense. He’d be a great fit there.

If Embiid becomes available OkC needs to trade for him and then a 3rd piece like bridges would be perfect. Idk what OKC is waiting for they’re fighting for the 1st seed and have 15 1sts and 21 2nds. Easily the best assets in the league not even including their young guys. Hell I don’t see how they see us struggling and aren’t offering 5-6 1sts for Bam.

SGA
Jalen
Bridges
Chet
Embiid

Embiid?

Regarding Bridges, it just feels like Brooklyn would be fools to not consider a massive haul for him.

Again, I wonder if a package of Herro, JJJ, and picks gets their attention.

Fit wise, under Spo specifically, it’d be like a glove.

I’m just saying if he’s ever available, which could be the case if they’re a quick out in the playoffs again this year.

Yea I mean I’m all for it but all signs are pointing to us not having enough if any of these reports are the. They do like Herro and are interested in him but he’s just not good enough to warrant the return. JJJ I would hate to see go as he’s a cheap cost controlled rotation player for the foreseeable future but you’re got to give to get. I’d maybe save this for a Mitchell trade. He’s the big fish next year, he’s not staying in Cleveland long term

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Cronin should be ashamed of himself, couldn’t send the franchise goat where he wanted to go after the loyalty he showed (to a fault) to Portland all those years. Couldn’t even do it to help the man’s happiness?! And the deal you got for him is looking like pure **** lol he should be fired

[MettaWorldPanda]

That prototypical big we are looking for is just not going to be available for the players we are offering and also the lack of draft capital has us a little with our hands tied behind our backs. It almost seems like a forgone conclusion that Jovic will be needed as a sweetener in order to get something useful using Duncan's contract that still has 19.4 next year and 19.9(9.9 guaranteed) for the next two years that we have to try and get out of to salvage the cap. Now the final year of the deal of Duncan will render him a very tradeable contract so basically a team is just going to carry him at the price tag for one more year.

Teams that could be willing to take on Duncan with the sweetener are the Utah Jazz(Kelly Olynyk and other expiring's like Horton or Dunn) and the Pistons with Bojan Bogdonovic or Alec Burks with Monte Morris. If we go all in on offense then Bojan Bogdonovic at the stretch 4 spot could be lethal with Bam and Butler. Spo could always tinker with the backcourt and can start Martin or J Rich at the 2 convincing Herro to take back the 6th man role in order to accommodate a veteran like Bogi. Also keep in mind that Duncan's old college coach is part of the front office for the Pistons and has always been a big fan of his. Might make this all the more realistic

Duncan Robinson and Nikola Jovic 20.5 million

to the Pistons for

Bojan Bogdonovic 20 million(expiring) and a 2027 2nd rd pick.

How about taking a chance with Otto Porter Jr (6'8'' 198) who's 30 coming off foot surgery a year ago at 6.3 mil expiring contract?

Go nuts, try to move Robinson for Otto and Schroder. Get some depth at PF and get your scoring 6th man.

I'm not sure Schroder would be the PG they want to incorporate with Herro and Rozier due to his slim build. Otto Porter looks like a prime buy out candidate.

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Cronin should be ashamed of himself, couldn’t send the franchise goat where he wanted to go after the loyalty he showed (to a fault) to Portland all those years. Couldn’t even do it to help the man’s happiness?! And the deal you got for him is looking like pure **** lol he should be fired

Cronin is the scum of the earth and I hope that franchise goes down in flames until that man is working in a YMCA in Alaska.

[dubasilva]

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Rex started the agenda, I’m just riding the wave. I’m all for this, better player, much more versatile. Great size, fills a position of need, etc. something like this frees up Rozier and gives Bam and Jimmy help in the front court

Boston reporter just throwing out obvious guesses. Of course Grant is a perfect fit but don't mean it's going to happen. Very little chance considering Portland vehemently did not want Herro but yet we still think Cronin is a trading dance partner.

I wish we could fix our problem. It is size. Bam is a small center. He's a PF.

I wish we would go after a player like Steven Adam. Big and tough in the middle.

Push Bam to PF.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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KO is such the obvious choice due to his expiring contract and fit with Bam. Question is will Ainge be a prick in negotiations or will he take Duncan's future tradeable contract and a 2nd rd pick and call it a day. Stay tuned