MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.3

[SA37]

A tale of 2 shooters.

Duncan Robinson is 27yrs old and just signed a 5yr, $90m deal with Miami ($18m per)

Doug McDermott is a 29yr old and just signed a 3yr, $42m deal with the Spurs ($14m per)

Both deals take them through to 32 years old.

Robinson: 13.1ppg, 3.5rpg, 1.8apg, 0.6spg, 0.3bpg, 1.1tpg, 31.4mpg on 43.9%FG, 40.8% 3FG (3.5 per) and 82.7% FT (0.9 per). 61.4% eFG.

McDermott: 13.6ppg, 3.3rpg, 1.3apg, 0.3spg, 0.1bpg, 0.8tpg, 24.5mpg on 53.2%FG, 38.8% 3FG (1.7 per) and 81.6% FT (1.2 per). 61.6% eFG.

Did we get finessed a little here? McBuckets looks like a really solid option side by side at $4m cheaper.

I suppose the closest comparison's to Duncan are also probably Bertans (signed for 5/80 last year at $16m per) and Joe Harris (4/75 at $18.75m per). Hoping that adding Lowry and perhaps some tweaks of our offensive system means we get Duncan some cleaner looks and he can go back to 2020 efficiency of 66.7% eFG.

Robinson's deal is absolutely dreadful.

Miami has to be happy with what it has done so far given its limited resources, but it is hard to get excited about any of these moves...

[Mk613]

A tale of 2 shooters.

Duncan Robinson is 27yrs old and just signed a 5yr, $90m deal with Miami ($18m per)

Doug McDermott is a 29yr old and just signed a 3yr, $42m deal with the Spurs ($14m per)

Both deals take them through to 32 years old.

Robinson: 13.1ppg, 3.5rpg, 1.8apg, 0.6spg, 0.3bpg, 1.1tpg, 31.4mpg on 43.9%FG, 40.8% 3FG (3.5 per) and 82.7% FT (0.9 per). 61.4% eFG.

McDermott: 13.6ppg, 3.3rpg, 1.3apg, 0.3spg, 0.1bpg, 0.8tpg, 24.5mpg on 53.2%FG, 38.8% 3FG (1.7 per) and 81.6% FT (1.2 per). 61.6% eFG.

Did we get finessed a little here? McBuckets looks like a really solid option side by side at $4m cheaper.

I suppose the closest comparison's to Duncan are also probably Bertans (signed for 5/80 last year at $16m per) and Joe Harris (4/75 at $18.75m per). Hoping that adding Lowry and perhaps some tweaks of our offensive system means we get Duncan some cleaner looks and he can go back to 2020 efficiency of 66.7% eFG.

Robinson's deal is absolutely dreadful.

Miami has to be happy with what it has done so far given its limited resources, but it is hard to get excited about any of these moves...

Exactly, Miami’s has maybe marginally improved. Essentially the same team from last year. Just smaller more cash strapped. Still offensively challenged and rebounding gonna be a issue still.

[RexBoyWonder]

Got to admit I hard bigger hopes then a Lowry + PJ Tucker offseason, but at least we kept some key guys.

Herro improving gives me some hope.

Id DeRozen still out there?

Feels like we're 1 move away from a reasonable offseason, need that extra scoring punch..or 1 more legit PF.

[zgope1]

A tale of 2 shooters.

Duncan Robinson is 27yrs old and just signed a 5yr, $90m deal with Miami ($18m per)

Doug McDermott is a 29yr old and just signed a 3yr, $42m deal with the Spurs ($14m per)

Both deals take them through to 32 years old.

Robinson: 13.1ppg, 3.5rpg, 1.8apg, 0.6spg, 0.3bpg, 1.1tpg, 31.4mpg on 43.9%FG, 40.8% 3FG (3.5 per) and 82.7% FT (0.9 per). 61.4% eFG.

McDermott: 13.6ppg, 3.3rpg, 1.3apg, 0.3spg, 0.1bpg, 0.8tpg, 24.5mpg on 53.2%FG, 38.8% 3FG (1.7 per) and 81.6% FT (1.2 per). 61.6% eFG.

Did we get finessed a little here? McBuckets looks like a really solid option side by side at $4m cheaper.

I suppose the closest comparison's to Duncan are also probably Bertans (signed for 5/80 last year at $16m per) and Joe Harris (4/75 at $18.75m per). Hoping that adding Lowry and perhaps some tweaks of our offensive system means we get Duncan some cleaner looks and he can go back to 2020 efficiency of 66.7% eFG.

Robinson's deal is absolutely dreadful.

Miami has to be happy with what it has done so far given its limited resources, but it is hard to get excited about any of these moves...

Nah, wrong

$18M per for the guy you’ve built your offence around is fine. Especially seeing as he’s easily top 4 in the nba as a specialised shooter.

He is much better than McDermott. He has performed in the playoffs and he deserves his cash. His first year is $15m too so the raises go up with the bigger cap. It’ll age very well.

And the offence with two non shooting stars absolutely requires a shooter that essential = 2 shooters. Those players are very rare

[Wiltside]

Got to admit I hard bigger hopes then a Lowry + PJ Tucker offseason, but at least we kept some key guys.

Herro improving gives me some hope.

Id DeRozen still out there?

Feels like we're 1 move away from a reasonable offseason, need that extra scoring punch..or 1 more legit PF.

DeRozan still out there. The KaWhale also is out there...just sayin'..

We need to add some depth, in particular to the 2/3/4 positions. I'm hoping Oladipo can be had for very cheap and will be able to come back around Christmas or so to add some bench punch.

Depth chart as presently constructed:

PG - Lowry / Vincent
SG - Robinson / Herro
SF - Butler / Strus
PF - Tucker / Okpala
C - Adebayo / Dedmon

Clearly there's a significant need to add bench depth, and agree, another scorer wouldn't go astray. Some of that is alleviated if Herro takes the leap next season though.

[dean456]

A tale of 2 shooters.

Duncan Robinson is 27yrs old and just signed a 5yr, $90m deal with Miami ($18m per)

Doug McDermott is a 29yr old and just signed a 3yr, $42m deal with the Spurs ($14m per)

Both deals take them through to 32 years old.

Robinson: 13.1ppg, 3.5rpg, 1.8apg, 0.6spg, 0.3bpg, 1.1tpg, 31.4mpg on 43.9%FG, 40.8% 3FG (3.5 per) and 82.7% FT (0.9 per). 61.4% eFG.

McDermott: 13.6ppg, 3.3rpg, 1.3apg, 0.3spg, 0.1bpg, 0.8tpg, 24.5mpg on 53.2%FG, 38.8% 3FG (1.7 per) and 81.6% FT (1.2 per). 61.6% eFG.

Did we get finessed a little here? McBuckets looks like a really solid option side by side at $4m cheaper.

I suppose the closest comparison's to Duncan are also probably Bertans (signed for 5/80 last year at $16m per) and Joe Harris (4/75 at $18.75m per). Hoping that adding Lowry and perhaps some tweaks of our offensive system means we get Duncan some cleaner looks and he can go back to 2020 efficiency of 66.7% eFG.

A couple things that are missing here, one being McDurmott attempts 4.3 3PAs vs Duncan's 8.5 3PAs. Duncan is in his 3rd year and 26yo and McDurmott is in his 6th year and 29yo.

Duncan has remained a solid contributor in the playoffs where his production didn't reduce much even though his minutes where reduced where McDurmott usually falls out of the rotation when he enters the playoffs and doesn't produce near his normal level neither from a numbers or percentage standpoint.

I'd also say Duncan's off ball movement is on another level to McDurmott and I'd be willing to bet that Duncan is far more capable shooter on the move where McDurmott's shots are more predominantly catch and shoot set shots.

I would say that McDurmott is who he is at this stage and Duncan still has some potential for growth.

Ultimately their starting salaries are 13mil and 15mil so with $2mil being the difference between the two when the latter gave us 2 extra years on the contract I would say that it was perfectly reasonable contract.

Also be interesting to see how Robinson plays with a high level playmaking PG for the first time in his career this season.

[RexBoyWonder]

Got to admit I hard bigger hopes then a Lowry + PJ Tucker offseason, but at least we kept some key guys.

Herro improving gives me some hope.

Id DeRozen still out there?

Feels like we're 1 move away from a reasonable offseason, need that extra scoring punch..or 1 more legit PF.

DeRozan still out there. The KaWhale also is out there...just sayin'..

We need to add some depth, in particular to the 2/3/4 positions. I'm hoping Oladipo can be had for very cheap and will be able to come back around Christmas or so to add some bench punch.

Depth chart as presently constructed:

PG - Lowry / Vincent
SG - Robinson / Herro
SF - Butler / Strus
PF - Tucker / Okpala
C - Adebayo / Dedmon

Clearly there's a significant need to add bench depth, and agree, another scorer wouldn't go astray. Some of that is alleviated if Herro takes the leap next season though.

My hope right now is :

1) We keep Dipo for cheap. It's big for our ceiling, he's the X factor we really need.

2) Use Nunn S&T to get a legit PF, or get DeRozen. We can't have PJ Tucker as the lone answer.


If we get both things done - It be a pretty good offseason all things considered.

[Wiltside]

A tale of 2 shooters.

Duncan Robinson is 27yrs old and just signed a 5yr, $90m deal with Miami ($18m per)

Doug McDermott is a 29yr old and just signed a 3yr, $42m deal with the Spurs ($14m per)

Both deals take them through to 32 years old.

Robinson: 13.1ppg, 3.5rpg, 1.8apg, 0.6spg, 0.3bpg, 1.1tpg, 31.4mpg on 43.9%FG, 40.8% 3FG (3.5 per) and 82.7% FT (0.9 per). 61.4% eFG.

McDermott: 13.6ppg, 3.3rpg, 1.3apg, 0.3spg, 0.1bpg, 0.8tpg, 24.5mpg on 53.2%FG, 38.8% 3FG (1.7 per) and 81.6% FT (1.2 per). 61.6% eFG.

Did we get finessed a little here? McBuckets looks like a really solid option side by side at $4m cheaper.

I suppose the closest comparison's to Duncan are also probably Bertans (signed for 5/80 last year at $16m per) and Joe Harris (4/75 at $18.75m per). Hoping that adding Lowry and perhaps some tweaks of our offensive system means we get Duncan some cleaner looks and he can go back to 2020 efficiency of 66.7% eFG.

A couple things that are missing here, one being McDurmott attempts 4.3 3PAs vs Duncan's 8.5 3PAs. Duncan is in his 3rd year and 26yo and McDurmott is in his 6th year and 29yo.

Duncan has remained a solid contributor in the playoffs where his production didn't reduce much even though his minutes where reduced where McDurmott usually falls out of the rotation when he enters the playoffs and doesn't produce near his normal level neither from a numbers or percentage standpoint and is barely played.

I'd also say Duncan's off ball movement is on another level to McDurmott and I'd be willing to bet that Duncan is far more capable shooter on the move where McDurmott's shots are more predominantly catch and shoot set shots.

I would say that McDurmott is who he is at this stage and Duncan still has some potential for growth.

Ultimately their starting salaries are 13mil and 15mil so with $2mil being the difference between the two when the latter gave us 2 extra years on the contract I would say that it was perfectly reasonable contract.

Also be interesting to see how Robinson plays with a high level playmaking PG for the first time in his career this season.

All very fair and reasonable points Dean. I’m interested to see if playing with Lowry can raise Duncan’s ceiling too.

Flip side is McDermott would’ve got his volume of 3PAs up playing for us, but I understand where you’re coming from.

[heater4life]

Got to admit I hard bigger hopes then a Lowry + PJ Tucker offseason, but at least we kept some key guys.

Herro improving gives me some hope.

Id DeRozen still out there?

Feels like we're 1 move away from a reasonable offseason, need that extra scoring punch..or 1 more legit PF.

DeRozan still out there. The KaWhale also is out there...just sayin'..

We need to add some depth, in particular to the 2/3/4 positions. I'm hoping Oladipo can be had for very cheap and will be able to come back around Christmas or so to add some bench punch.

Depth chart as presently constructed:

PG - Lowry / Vincent
SG - Robinson / Herro
SF - Butler / Strus
PF - Tucker / Okpala
C - Adebayo / Dedmon

Clearly there's a significant need to add bench depth, and agree, another scorer wouldn't go astray. Some of that is alleviated if Herro takes the leap next season though.

My hope right now is :

1) We keep Dipo for cheap. It's big for our ceiling, he's the X factor we really need.

2) Use Nunn S&T to get a legit PF, or get DeRozen. We can't have PJ Tucker as the lone answer.


If we get both things done - It be a pretty good offseason all things considered.

The Heat are clearly are trying to win now.

Lowry and Tucker help but I agree this roster still needs a little punch. If they can acquire someone using Nunn via ST it would be great.

Hopefully Herro with less pressure can thrive as the main option off the bench.

[dean456]

A tale of 2 shooters.

Duncan Robinson is 27yrs old and just signed a 5yr, $90m deal with Miami ($18m per)

Doug McDermott is a 29yr old and just signed a 3yr, $42m deal with the Spurs ($14m per)

Both deals take them through to 32 years old.

Robinson: 13.1ppg, 3.5rpg, 1.8apg, 0.6spg, 0.3bpg, 1.1tpg, 31.4mpg on 43.9%FG, 40.8% 3FG (3.5 per) and 82.7% FT (0.9 per). 61.4% eFG.

McDermott: 13.6ppg, 3.3rpg, 1.3apg, 0.3spg, 0.1bpg, 0.8tpg, 24.5mpg on 53.2%FG, 38.8% 3FG (1.7 per) and 81.6% FT (1.2 per). 61.6% eFG.

Did we get finessed a little here? McBuckets looks like a really solid option side by side at $4m cheaper.

I suppose the closest comparison's to Duncan are also probably Bertans (signed for 5/80 last year at $16m per) and Joe Harris (4/75 at $18.75m per). Hoping that adding Lowry and perhaps some tweaks of our offensive system means we get Duncan some cleaner looks and he can go back to 2020 efficiency of 66.7% eFG.

A couple things that are missing here, one being McDurmott attempts 4.3 3PAs vs Duncan's 8.5 3PAs. Duncan is in his 3rd year and 26yo and McDurmott is in his 6th year and 29yo.

Duncan has remained a solid contributor in the playoffs where his production didn't reduce much even though his minutes where reduced where McDurmott usually falls out of the rotation when he enters the playoffs and doesn't produce near his normal level neither from a numbers or percentage standpoint and is barely played.

I'd also say Duncan's off ball movement is on another level to McDurmott and I'd be willing to bet that Duncan is far more capable shooter on the move where McDurmott's shots are more predominantly catch and shoot set shots.

I would say that McDurmott is who he is at this stage and Duncan still has some potential for growth.

Ultimately their starting salaries are 13mil and 15mil so with $2mil being the difference between the two when the latter gave us 2 extra years on the contract I would say that it was perfectly reasonable contract.

Also be interesting to see how Robinson plays with a high level playmaking PG for the first time in his career this season.

All very fair and reasonable points Dean. I’m interested to see if playing with Lowry can raise Duncan’s ceiling too.

Flip side is McDermott would’ve got his volume of 3PAs up playing for us, but I understand where you’re coming from.

It's possible, but I recall JJ Reddick having a conversation with Duncan about his shooting and praising him about his ability to get up attempts talking about how difficult it is to create enough space to get that level of attempts up as a shooter. I think that speaks to Duncan's ability to move and get himself open compared to some other shooters in the league.

[Wiltside]

We really need Duncan to become prime JJ Redick tbh. He commands a lot of defensive attention as is, but still needs to be less of a defensive sieve. He can become a better positional defender and less foul prone.

[dean456]

I was hopeful that we'd pick up Malik Monk because he's only just turned 23yo and we might be able to get something out of him that Charlotte couldn't. But I also thought he was taller than he is. He's listed as 6'3 I thought he was like 6'6 - 6'7 and we'd be able to play him mins at backup SF. With that in mind I don't think there's a role for him here unless Herro is moved.

If we were able to also sign Markieff Morris to round out our PF rotation we'd be one of the most annoying opponents for teams to come up against. But I think Rudy Gay suits more what we'd need from that position and contrasts Tucker better.

There are still some solid backup PG options out there we could nab. With Shroder still out there keeping teams attention we should try nab one of.
Elfrid Payton
Lou Williams
Patty Mills
Reggie Jackson
Cam Payne
Kendrick Nunn

Most of these guys likely looking for something around the MLE or higher but market may dry up for these guys so who knows.

[MiamiSun]

A tale of 2 shooters.

Duncan Robinson is 27yrs old and just signed a 5yr, $90m deal with Miami ($18m per)

Doug McDermott is a 29yr old and just signed a 3yr, $42m deal with the Spurs ($14m per)

Both deals take them through to 32 years old.

Robinson: 13.1ppg, 3.5rpg, 1.8apg, 0.6spg, 0.3bpg, 1.1tpg, 31.4mpg on 43.9%FG, 40.8% 3FG (3.5 per) and 82.7% FT (0.9 per). 61.4% eFG.

McDermott: 13.6ppg, 3.3rpg, 1.3apg, 0.3spg, 0.1bpg, 0.8tpg, 24.5mpg on 53.2%FG, 38.8% 3FG (1.7 per) and 81.6% FT (1.2 per). 61.6% eFG.

Did we get finessed a little here? McBuckets looks like a really solid option side by side at $4m cheaper.

I suppose the closest comparison's to Duncan are also probably Bertans (signed for 5/80 last year at $16m per) and Joe Harris (4/75 at $18.75m per). Hoping that adding Lowry and perhaps some tweaks of our offensive system means we get Duncan some cleaner looks and he can go back to 2020 efficiency of 66.7% eFG.

Robinson's deal is absolutely dreadful.

Miami has to be happy with what it has done so far given its limited resources, but it is hard to get excited about any of these moves...

Robinson deal is escalating. The first 2 years are around 15 mil and it escalates after that. After that he is a very attractive contract in a trade. This was a very good deal. Win now and then a trade asset after. Just look at the situation we are in now. We have no contracts to send out in order to bring Derozan here right now. These kind of contracts are very valuable in the future.

[3ballbomber]

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Evidently his tough guy presence failed last season w/ us being swept. Love him but nobody really gives a f*ck anymore.

[3ballbomber]

Haters be damned, but that’s a fairly solid starting 5.

Lowry
Duncan
Butler
Tucker
Adebayo

Would I prefer a slightly bigger lineup? Yes. But all things being considered, it’s tough defensively and has plenty of spacing around our guys.

That’s a terrible starting 5. Undersized Center undersized PF, liability on D in Duncan

[RexBoyWonder]

Strus, Vincent and Deadmon - 3 good gets for the minimum :

Strus - I think he's a legit rotation wing. Has size and toughness, not a Duncan level shooter but more versatile.

Vincent - We love to hate - but he's a super solid defender, heady, he just needs to find consistency with his 3's.

Dedmon - He was a must get. We desperately needed his size back, his rebounding and he knows how to play his role.

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I'm probably the biggest PJ Tucker hater here. Good tough guy, but man..not what I want in a player at all.

I Just really hate his combination of age, lack of size, and absolute lack of scoring. I really don't get how he's a good signing for anything more then minimum. I'm praying KZ/Yurtseven/traded PF can steal a lot of his minutes.

I don't think people realize the reality - he's a 36YO 6"5 dude who averages less then 5 PPG PER 36 (!!!!!!) and 5 boards per 36.

Even if he was the best defender in the NVA (which he's far from being) - that's just....wow.

[unowen85]

I’m really glad I don’t live in Miami anymore, where I would be tempted to watch every game. Cause watching this team try to grind out wins every night is going to be a little nauseating.

[3ballbomber]

Mentioned here we wouldn't be trading Duncan or Herro unless for whales. I remember people wanted to trade Herro in package for Lowry Was nvr going to happen. You don't waste your best trade asset for aging players.

I'm not one to hold my breath but still a possibility for Beal/Lillard/Kawhi to Throw Herro in. If not Herro stays & will play a significant part on how far this team goes.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

My concerns with Tucker are his age, the unknown opportunity cost of choosing him at $15/2 vs other potential signings, and the fear of playing 4 vs 5 on offense with him (I honestly didn't watch enough of the Bucks to see if that was happening to them)

But all that aside, he really does seem like a perfect chemistry fit with Yimmy and Lowry. If the nastiness and grit of those 3 doesn't wear off on Bam then someone needs to check the dude for a pulse lol. Tucker also ticks the floor spacer box, and he's built like a brick chithouse so -- while he doesn't play above the rim and won't post sexy individual rebound #s, I expect our team rebounding to improve by virtue of a tree stump like Tucker clearing out space down low for Bam (an excellent leaper) and also Yimmy and Lowry (both very good rebounding guards) to swoop in close out the defensive possession

All and all we upgraded our top-end talent while addressing the two positions of need in our lineup and somehow didn't lose Herro or Duncan in order to do so. Also retained Dedmon and Strus which is great, Gabe not so much lol. Would still like to see them add another PF and re-sign Dipo to round out the moves, but I'ma give them a B grade so far for this offseason with the chance of B+ depending on the final moves

[contract]

A tale of 2 shooters.

Duncan Robinson is 27yrs old and just signed a 5yr, $90m deal with Miami ($18m per)

Doug McDermott is a 29yr old and just signed a 3yr, $42m deal with the Spurs ($14m per)

Both deals take them through to 32 years old.

Robinson: 13.1ppg, 3.5rpg, 1.8apg, 0.6spg, 0.3bpg, 1.1tpg, 31.4mpg on 43.9%FG, 40.8% 3FG (3.5 per) and 82.7% FT (0.9 per). 61.4% eFG.

McDermott: 13.6ppg, 3.3rpg, 1.3apg, 0.3spg, 0.1bpg, 0.8tpg, 24.5mpg on 53.2%FG, 38.8% 3FG (1.7 per) and 81.6% FT (1.2 per). 61.6% eFG.

Did we get finessed a little here? McBuckets looks like a really solid option side by side at $4m cheaper.

I suppose the closest comparison's to Duncan are also probably Bertans (signed for 5/80 last year at $16m per) and Joe Harris (4/75 at $18.75m per). Hoping that adding Lowry and perhaps some tweaks of our offensive system means we get Duncan some cleaner looks and he can go back to 2020 efficiency of 66.7% eFG.

Robinson's deal is absolutely dreadful.

Miami has to be happy with what it has done so far given its limited resources, but it is hard to get excited about any of these moves...

Nah, wrong

$18M per for the guy you’ve built your offence around is fine. Especially seeing as he’s easily top 4 in the nba as a specialised shooter.

He is much better than McDermott. He has performed in the playoffs and he deserves his cash. His first year is $15m too so the raises go up with the bigger cap. It’ll age very well.

And the offence with two non shooting stars absolutely requires a shooter that essential = 2 shooters. Those players are very rare

I am confounded by fans talking about "building our offense" around such a limited player as if that was a good thing. Our offense stinks, and enormous amounts of effort go into manufacturing 13 points a game for Duncan Robinson. It takes a team-wide conspiracy to get Duncan those 13 points. He was our 6th leading scorer. He has 26 career games > 20 points ... and 1 career game > 30. I've seen people claim that he has "gravity" that creates space for Jimmy and Bam. Defenses are not worried about this guy. Why would they be? What is he going to do, erupt for a 20 point game?

I don't know what you guys are watching. Not only is the focal point of our offense a non-scorer, but one who can't even create his own. I'm not sure that Duncan would average 10 points a game without all the effort we waste getting him looks. I guarantee that our offense could be just as inept with Doug McDermott or Max Strus or Rodney McGruder.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Duncan is a nice player in a small role on a minimum contract. At $18 million he's an instant regret.

Praising this deal or Robinsons role in our offense is nuts. Spo is nuts!