Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA

[miamiballer]

Right now Duncan is pretty difficult to move without something positive attached, its gotta be an FRP or multiple second rounders.

And if we give up our 1 that prob takes us out of the running for Mitchell and durant

But if utah isn’t gonna trade us mitchell and Bkn isn’t gonna trade us kd, we need to move on and get a pf even if it means trading our 1 with Robinson

[IceColdCubano]

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This totally makes sense, i posted this in one of my updates that brooklyn would not trade kyrie until Durant is traded it lowers the selling price for Durant if he goes second. Right now they can threaten slightly to head into training camp with the whole team if they dont like the offers for Durant. If you offload Kyrie now, theres a cascading affect. Durants camp is going to push hell or high water out and teams will know Durant must be traded so their offers aren't as plentiful.

[IceColdCubano]

Right now Duncan is pretty difficult to move without something positive attached, its gotta be an FRP or multiple second rounders.

And if we give up our 1 that prob takes us out of the running for Mitchell and durant

But if utah isn’t gonna trade us mitchell and Bkn isn’t gonna trade us kd, we need to move on and get a pf even if it means trading our 1 with Robinson

I agree, that's definately the path, and i think thats the reason why Duncan is still in a Heat uni

[dagger151]

Attaching assets like FRP or other players to Duncan just to ditch him isn't smart. We need the picks to replace players if we make a big trade down the road. Granted, we find undrafted players to fill roles, but we need the draft to keep the team young and have a few prospects to groom. Duncan disappointed big time, but he can still be a solid player for us without having to give up assets just to dump him.

[balla345]

Yeah i agree. Robinson getting traded attached to a first round pick is dumb. Hes still a weapon to have on the team. If he figures it out he can still be a top 5 3 point shooter. His defense is trash but maybe another year can help him improve more. I just dont see him playing worse than last year. Maybe he has a crazy stat year and his value increases by the trade deadline

[miamiballer]

I’m gonna get flamed but why not buy low on Kyrie if we can get him cheap

I mean what if Kyrie does well here and wants to stay,
…we would have his bird rights and no way he goes to lakers for the mle if we want him back

[miamiballer]

Herro + Lowry (no picks) for Kyrie

We don’t have to pay herro his max deal

It’s a risk but in my opinion one worth considering, we aren’t going anywhere with the team as is

[dagger151]

Kyrie is a great player, but he has too much baggage to be a real Heat player. We cant be that desperate.

[miamiballer]

Kyrie is a great player, but he has too much baggage to be a real Heat player. We cant be that desperate.

He has issues sure and it’s a gamble but what if he buys in yo heat culture

Could be a tim hard away part 2

It’s a gamble but I don’t know about you, I’m not happy standing pat without a big move and i def don’t want to pay herro 125 mil dollars

[MettaWorldPanda]

Duncan + Jovic for Julius Randle works salary wise and it likely also works for the Knicks. Would have to wait until Jovic becomes trade eligible (30 days?) but we could do worse than adding a 2021 All-NBA 2nd teamer at a position of desperate need who can play defense and be a secondary or tertiary scorer and playmaker. Randle fell apart in the 2021 yoffs and last season but he was miscast as a #1 in New York where they ran their entire offense through him versus here where he'd be a 2nd or 3rd option. It would be reminiscent of when Riley traded for Jamal Mashburn imo

A solid "buy low" get and also leaves us with enough assets to continue pursuing bigger names

Not only do you have to consider if the trade checker accepts but also the luxury tax ramifications. Arison is not getting deep into the tax for Julius Randle.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Kyrie is a great player, but he has too much baggage to be a real Heat player. We cant be that desperate.

He has issues sure and it’s a gamble but what if he buys in yo heat culture

Could be a tim hard away part 2

It’s a gamble but I don’t know about you, I’m not happy standing pat without a big move and i def don’t want to pay herro 125 mil dollars

Arison is not going to make himself look like a Covid hypocrite for Kyrie.

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[miamiballer]

Kyrie is a great player, but he has too much baggage to be a real Heat player. We cant be that desperate.

He has issues sure and it’s a gamble but what if he buys in yo heat culture

Could be a tim hard away part 2

It’s a gamble but I don’t know about you, I’m not happy standing pat without a big move and i def don’t want to pay herro 125 mil dollars

Arison is not going to make himself look like a Covid hypocrite for Kyrie.

I don’t think the COVID issue is the reason we wouldn’t deal for him

[MettaWorldPanda]

He has issues sure and it’s a gamble but what if he buys in yo heat culture

Could be a tim hard away part 2

It’s a gamble but I don’t know about you, I’m not happy standing pat without a big move and i def don’t want to pay herro 125 mil dollars

Arison is not going to make himself look like a Covid hypocrite for Kyrie.

I don’t think the COVID issue is the reason we wouldn’t deal for him

My opinion is it has a lot to do with it. Especially when the owner comes out with such a rebuke for anti vaxxers in the midst of all the Kyrie rumors.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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A S&T is not good. It means they are getting assets to be transferred in a Durant deal.

[MettaWorldPanda]

It feels like Riley has tried to used car salesman his way into a star with a package of Duncan(4 years 75 mil left on deal, Herro(Extension needs to be paid, and Lowry(Aging PG making close to 30 mil with extra year pending). Even with 3 picks attached and swaps it essentially just covers the negative values of the deal. Only Bam moves the needle but trading Bam for Durant and you risk a chemistry fallout.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Why would the Pacers give up assets when they have the space to sign Ayton outright? The Suns threatening to match?

[MartyCONLONNN]

Not sure why Indiana would S&T for Ayton when they can sign him outright and flip Turner's expiring somewhere else for an asset. Maybe PHX includes an asset to entice Indy.

[miamiballer]

It feels like Riley has tried to used car salesman his way into a star with a package of Duncan(4 years 75 mil left on deal, Herro(Extension needs to be paid, and Lowry(Aging PG making close to 30 mil with extra year pending). Even with 3 picks attached and swaps it essentially just covers the negative values of the deal.

Yeah we don’t have many assets to trade…I think kd is only possible if bam is involved

Mitchell is unlikely with what we have to offer

That’s why I think we need to swallow our pride and buy low on kyrie…it’s a risk but if we give up an aging Lowry and herro needing an extension it’s really not that big of a risk

Our team as is isn’t good enough to come out of the East unfortunately so we need to go down swinging

[MartyCONLONNN]

Why would the Pacers give up assets when they have the space to sign Ayton outright? The Suns threatening to match?

They should call their bluff. Suns -Ayton relationship is terrible and they should know that.