**NBA Draft Discussion 2024**

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I respectfully disagree. While we've done OK, outside of Bam we haven't really hit it out of the park with any of our other picks in recent times. A lot of that is obviously us not picking high, but there's no need to overstate our draft success.

Nah I totally don't agree with that. Pretty much every pick we've had outside of Precious and Winslow have out played their draft place. You don't have to be an allstar for a pick to be good, especially when they're all late lottery or mid to late first round. Winslow #10-Miss(but considered a steal at the time), Richardson #40 -Hit, Bam #14-Hit, Herro #13-Hit(Was compared to
Nik Stauskas coming into the draft), Precious #20-Miss, Jovic #27-Hit, Jaquez #18-Hit

You forgot Shabazz Napier. And I'd like to stick to the past decade, so I won't mention swapping Bojan Bogdanović for Norris Cole.

But that's not really how I determine the quality of a pick. Draft picks are potential + rookie salaries. I don't really care where a guy was drafted, only if he's better than some other guy we could sign for roughly the same salary. Bam was clearly a win there. Herro too over the 4 years on his rookie deal. Richardson was kind of a hit. Jaquez and Jovic may both turn out to be wins, but I'm not there yet.

Still, aside from Bam the wins haven't been very big wins. If that's how we're going to add talent, then we need to do better, or we can forget about winning anything.

[twix2500]

Some buzz and a lot teams are looking at this 6'7.25 wo shoes - 6'8 with shoes big man with a 7'2 wingspan Akron
18.6 pts,12.9 rbs, 37 3p%, 72 ft%, 60.9 eFg%, 1.6 ast, 1.7 blk

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just watched his combine scrimmage. Very interesting. He certainly has the talent to switch and stretch the floor. Can tell he nit use to defend the perimeter. But the talent and quickness is there. I can see him until playing next to Bam or Jovic

[RexBoyWonder]

Expecting Holland and Topic to drop means two players the Heat may want will go early. I do expect their will be more who were seen as top ten to drop.

If any of these 2 drop - and I'm praying they will - we better snag them right up.

They're both can be top 3 in a re-draft in a couple of years.

Holland looks like a very athletic 2 way wing with a good handle and slashing game, aggressive scorer with great defensive instincts and he's still 18 YO. Very high upside.

Topic looks a natural lead guard, a Dragic/Luka type game, just a born ready type of vision and IQ, relentless paint attacker. easily has top 3 upside this year, just needs to get healthy and get consistent from 3.

[lastb1ckman]

I respectfully disagree. While we've done OK, outside of Bam we haven't really hit it out of the park with any of our other picks in recent times. A lot of that is obviously us not picking high, but there's no need to overstate our draft success.

Nah I totally don't agree with that. Pretty much every pick we've had outside of Precious and Winslow have out played their draft place. You don't have to be an allstar for a pick to be good, especially when they're all late lottery or mid to late first round. Winslow #10-Miss(but considered a steal at the time), Richardson #40 -Hit, Bam #14-Hit, Herro #13-Hit(Was compared to
Nik Stauskas coming into the draft), Precious #20-Miss, Jovic #27-Hit, Jaquez #18-Hit

You forgot Shabazz Napier. And I'd like to stick to the past decade, so I won't mention swapping Bojan Bogdanović for Norris Cole.

But that's not really how I determine the quality of a pick. Draft picks are potential + rookie salaries. I don't really care where a guy was drafted, only if he's better than some other guy we could sign for roughly the same salary. Bam was clearly a win there. Herro too over the 4 years on his rookie deal. Richardson was kind of a hit. Jaquez and Jovic may both turn out to be wins, but I'm not there yet.

Still, aside from Bam the wins haven't been very big wins. If that's how we're going to add talent, then we need to do better, or we can forget about winning anything.

I'm looking at all the post big 3 era picks when I think about picks. They definitely changed their drafting mentality after lebron left. I don't even think they cared about the draft at all before that.

Though I do have to ask, what teams do you consider to have good/great draft histories over the last decade? Because most fans of other teams usually hype up how good the heat are at drafting.
I especially like looking at players taken right before & right after when judging the quality of the pick.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Expecting Holland and Topic to drop means two players the Heat may want will go early. I do expect their will be more who were seen as top ten to drop.

If any of these 2 drop - and I'm praying they will - we better snag them right up.

They're both can be top 3 in a re-draft in a couple of years.

Holland looks like a very athletic 2 way wing with a good handle and slashing game, aggressive scorer with great defensive instincts and he's still 18 YO. Very high upside.

Topic looks a natural lead guard, a Dragic/Luka type game, just a born ready type of vision and IQ, relentless paint attacker. easily has top 3 upside this year, just needs to get healthy and get consistent from 3.

Where is Holland going to play unless you trade Butler or Jaquez? Kid is an athlete but a very poor 3 point shooter. Also 6’6 and 195 a little slight of frame. Topic has potential but anymore then let’s say a healthy and ready to roll day one Collier?

[twix2500]

Expecting Holland and Topic to drop means two players the Heat may want will go early. I do expect their will be more who were seen as top ten to drop.

If any of these 2 drop - and I'm praying they will - we better snag them right up.

They're both can be top 3 in a re-draft in a couple of years.

Holland looks like a very athletic 2 way wing with a good handle and slashing game, aggressive scorer with great defensive instincts and he's still 18 YO. Very high upside.

Topic looks a natural lead guard, a Dragic/Luka type game, just a born ready type of vision and IQ, relentless paint attacker. easily has top 3 upside this year, just needs to get healthy and get consistent from 3.

Where is Holland going to play unless you trade Butler or Jaquez? Kid is an athlete but a very poor 3 point shooter. Also 6’6 and 195 a little slight of frame. Topic has potential but anymore then let’s say a healthy and ready to roll day one Collier?

Holland is likely not a player ready to contribute big his rookie season. He would be more down the line player like Topic would be and even Collier (who i think is good enough to be a back up on a title contender). Holland is a 2 guard so he would be competing with Herro's future.

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[greg4012]

Expecting Holland and Topic to drop means two players the Heat may want will go early. I do expect their will be more who were seen as top ten to drop.

If any of these 2 drop - and I'm praying they will - we better snag them right up.

They're both can be top 3 in a re-draft in a couple of years.

Holland looks like a very athletic 2 way wing with a good handle and slashing game, aggressive scorer with great defensive instincts and he's still 18 YO. Very high upside.

Topic looks a natural lead guard, a Dragic/Luka type game, just a born ready type of vision and IQ, relentless paint attacker. easily has top 3 upside this year, just needs to get healthy and get consistent from 3.

Where is Holland going to play unless you trade Butler or Jaquez? Kid is an athlete but a very poor 3 point shooter. Also 6’6 and 195 a little slight of frame. Topic has potential but anymore then let’s say a healthy and ready to roll day one Collier?

Your question on Holland appears to suggest you have issue with taking almost any 18/19 year old prospect. It's quite clearly an upside play. Those sometimes come with risk. It's not drafting primarily focused on the role and impact of their rookie season.

All of the highest upside 18/19 year old players in this draft would be wonky fits with our core in year 1 because they need to be developed. Miami shouldn't be drafting purely to serve year 1.

Alex Sarr (19) - can't shoot; can't play next to Bam yr 1
Stephon Castle (19) - can't shoot; same issue next to Butler/Jaime yr 1
Matas Buzelis (19) - can't shoot (or do anything else right now); same issue next to Butler/Jaime yr 1
Rob Dillingham (19) - miniature; can't play with Rozier or Herro
Cody Williams (19) - can't really do anything at a NBA level yet (shooting is suspect with extremely low volume 3s and worse FT% than Holland)
Bub Carrington (19) - can't get in the paint; needs to add muscle to play at NBA level; shooting should come along. Can't really play with Herro/Rozier year 1 (still my dude)
Isaiah Collier (19) - can't shoot; same issue next to Butler/Jaime year 1

It's REALLY rare for the most athletic wing prospect in the draft to have a developed offensive game at 18. It's even rarer for the most athletic wing prospect in the draft to be a plus shooter out the gate. Most plus-athlete wings in the NBA were absolutely not shooters at 18.

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Nah I totally don't agree with that. Pretty much every pick we've had outside of Precious and Winslow have out played their draft place. You don't have to be an allstar for a pick to be good, especially when they're all late lottery or mid to late first round. Winslow #10-Miss(but considered a steal at the time), Richardson #40 -Hit, Bam #14-Hit, Herro #13-Hit(Was compared to
Nik Stauskas coming into the draft), Precious #20-Miss, Jovic #27-Hit, Jaquez #18-Hit

You forgot Shabazz Napier. And I'd like to stick to the past decade, so I won't mention swapping Bojan Bogdanović for Norris Cole.

But that's not really how I determine the quality of a pick. Draft picks are potential + rookie salaries. I don't really care where a guy was drafted, only if he's better than some other guy we could sign for roughly the same salary. Bam was clearly a win there. Herro too over the 4 years on his rookie deal. Richardson was kind of a hit. Jaquez and Jovic may both turn out to be wins, but I'm not there yet.

Still, aside from Bam the wins haven't been very big wins. If that's how we're going to add talent, then we need to do better, or we can forget about winning anything.

I'm looking at all the post big 3 era picks when I think about picks. They definitely changed their drafting mentality after lebron left. I don't even think they cared about the draft at all before that.

Though I do have to ask, what teams do you consider to have good/great draft histories over the last decade? Because most fans of other teams usually hype up how good the heat are at drafting.
I especially like looking at players taken right before & right after when judging the quality of the pick.

I haven't the foggiest. I don't spend much (or any) time tracking what other teams do. All I'm saying is that some fans consider it a win if a pick turns into a role player. I only consider it a win if that player performs better than someone who could have been signed for the same money, or someone we could have traded that pick for.

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Could be like a Cam Whitmore type slide I know many wanted us to pick Whitmore last year but we were sold on our guy JJJ. Also remember when many were so hyped to pick that knucklehead Kevin Porter Jr.

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Could be like a Cam Whitmore type slide I know many wanted us to pick Whitmore last year but we were sold on our guy JJJ. Also remember when many were so hyped to pick that knucklehead Kevin Porter Jr.

Whitmore slid because of medical problems. The media never disclosed what it is or was.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Could be like a Cam Whitmore type slide I know many wanted us to pick Whitmore last year but we were sold on our guy JJJ. Also remember when many were so hyped to pick that knucklehead Kevin Porter Jr.

It was more then just medical issues. I heard he also had poor workouts and did not interview well either.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I hope Isaiah Collier killed his workout with us. After debating all these prospects I think he has one of the highest upsides for a 15th pick and will be ready sooner rather then later coming in already equipped with an NBA body and lightening first step. He'll help us out greatly off the bench with that ball pressure and if we don't make any immediate offseason moves he'll be able to run in any backcourt variation with Herro or Rozier with his 6'4.5 210 frame. His shot really doesn't look bad at all. A few tweaks here and there to gain more consistency.

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[DayofMourning]

I hope Isaiah Collier killed his workout with us. After debating all these prospects I think he has one of the highest upsides for a 15th pick and will be ready sooner rather then later coming in already equipped with an NBA body and lightening first step. He'll help us out greatly off the bench with that ball pressure and if we don't make any immediate offseason moves he'll be able to run in any backcourt variation with Herro or Rozier with his 6'4.5 210 frame. His shot really doesn't look bad at all. A few tweaks here and there to gain more consistency.

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Toes are real close to the line. Another Caleb Martin?

[MettaWorldPanda]

I hope Isaiah Collier killed his workout with us. After debating all these prospects I think he has one of the highest upsides for a 15th pick and will be ready sooner rather then later coming in already equipped with an NBA body and lightening first step. He'll help us out greatly off the bench with that ball pressure and if we don't make any immediate offseason moves he'll be able to run in any backcourt variation with Herro or Rozier with his 6'4.5 210 frame. His shot really doesn't look bad at all. A few tweaks here and there to gain more consistency.

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Toes are real close to the line. Another Caleb Martin?

Omg I hope not lol. He's shooting behind the line. His momentum carries him over but it's still a 3. Martin just always has his foot on the line. Like zero awareness. Collier definitely needs some work in order to gain consistency but seems like plenty to work with here. Can see him getting developing into a Kyle Lowry type.

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[DayofMourning]

Omg I hope not lol. He's shooting behind the line. His momentum carries him over but it's still a 3. Martin just always has his foot on the line. Like zero awareness. Collier definitely needs some work in order to gain consistency but seems like plenty to work with here. Can see him getting developing into a Kyle Lowry type.

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Hes definitely keeping the movement short and succinct. Not much wasted movement.

If the Heat work him out and like him, Im down.

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Think it comes down to one of these 3 on the board.

[DayofMourning]

Think it comes down to one of these 3 on the board.

I think we should probably draft all 3 Panda.