2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy and the Kids!

[Shootit]

Next option should just be Beal.

[Bishop45]

Hey guys. Did I miss Anything today?

Y’all are like family to me and there aren’t many people in my life I have to share huge news with. I passed a huge certification exam for my line of work today that I have been stressing over in and out of heat drama for a couple months.

Thanks so much to all of you for keeping me sane through this process. Except for HeatLanta, I hate you. You stress me out.

You miss Bishop trying to build the team around Waiters

Need shooters b, ain't that why we drafted Chip?

[Flash4thewin]

Next option should just be Beal.

With what? OKC felt Dragic, Winslow and Herro where acceptable to them. Beal has a higher trade value. To be realistic you are talking about Dragic, Winslow, Herro, Bam and mutliple unprotected first round picks. I dont see us trading for Beal anytime soob.

[The Bunk]

Hey guys. Did I miss Anything today?

Y’all are like family to me and there aren’t many people in my life I have to share huge news with. I passed a huge certification exam for my line of work today that I have been stressing over in and out of heat drama for a couple months.

Thanks so much to all of you for keeping me sane through this process. Except for HeatLanta, I hate you. You stress me out.

Congrats bruh

Progression >>>>>

[The Bunk]

Next option should just be Beal.

Maybe Washington is demanding picks.

For example, their stance could be:

Winslow, Herro, AND Bam
2 of the above + FRP
1 of the above + multiple FRP

Who knows, but its going to take real value to get Beal. He's young, two years left before he can/will opt out, and is coming off the best individual season of his career. He's a 26 year old elite scorer from all three levels. Ideally, they'd like to build around him but doubt they're confident in him staying in 2021 if they can't get an extension done soon. He fell short of being eligible for super max though, I believe. I dont think he's signing a deal before FA.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

If we promise to give him a 3 year $90,000,000 contract, yes.

So you'll pay a 39 year-old $30,000,000. ok...

Cliff Paul has returned and he is among us.

30 million won't be 30 million 5 years from now. Chris Paul should still be a great 3-point shooter and passer at 39.

[The Bunk]

I do agree that Beal should absolutely be the priority now though. I just think that a potential Chris Paul deal could be a crucial first move assuming it nets us a couple of picks.

Beal is such a perfect 1b to Jimmy because of his shooting ability and movement without the ball.

[Bishop45]

Hey guys. Did I miss Anything today?

Y’all are like family to me and there aren’t many people in my life I have to share huge news with. I passed a huge certification exam for my line of work today that I have been stressing over in and out of heat drama for a couple months.

Thanks so much to all of you for keeping me sane through this process. Except for HeatLanta, I hate you. You stress me out.

Congrats bruh

Progression >>>>>

Wow, honestly didn't read first time I skimmed this post.

Congratz JFM

[AirP.]

Don't we have this one guard shooting approximately 38% from 3 on high volume?

Waiters? A solid 3pt shooting guard who is an inefficient scorer(.530 TS%, highest in his career) in the prime of his career? Winslow's TS% was lower but you'd expect him to continue to get better for the next 3-5 years.

Thought we were talking about 3pt shooting?

There's a lot of inefficient players that contribute to good teams, don't see why we should throw out the baby with the bathwater

Wait what? The whole point of 3pt shooting is creating more points per possession, being more efficient in scoring which TS% basically shows, if Waiters stuck to just 3s and high % 2s he'd be a better option, but he can't do that, he has to try to create. Those who are inefficient normally bring another strength to the table like rebounding, defense, playmaking, Waiters doesn't do this.
Let's look at Houston's(since they shoot high volume) non stars TS% 3pt shooters.
House .642
Ennis .622
Green .555
Gordon .549
Tucker .547

Waiters, a career high of .530 last season, get him to just be a spot up shooter and he'd be good spacer, the problem is he just can't stop there. You can reference his ortg to see how he affects the team, he had a 102 ORTG last year and he's a career 98 ORTG player while having a career 109 drtg, just not good.

[MartyCONLONNN]

FYI ya’ll musta Bron got that Space Jam $$$. If Miami isnt properly compensated for this deal (and there’s a great chance of that happening) then you know that once new signings can be traded Bron and the Lakers are allll over that. I can even see a buyout. But no one can tell me Bron isnt in CP ear right now.

[The Bunk]

FYI ya’ll musta Bron got that Space Jam $$$. If Miami isnt properly compensated for this deal (and there’s a great chance of that happening) then you know that once new signings can be traded Bron and the Lakers are allll over that. I can even see a buyout. But no one can tell me Bron isnt in CP ear right now.

Riley will demand Kuzma.

[AirP.]

It's kind of irrelevant whether or not he's making 3s while being guarded or open.

It absolutely is relevant, it can limit what can and can't be done on the court. A shooter like Waiters doesn't really drop all that significantly with a defender close to him vs a guy like Winslow who has to be open, that changes your option on offense on where you place him to stretch out the court. A 3pt shooter may move to a less open spot to manipulate the defense to try to give a playmaker more room to operate in a specific area of the court. Also, a guy who can only shoot 3s well wide open has to be "open" so a defender doesn't have to worry about him as much, the defender can play the angles much better if he's is watching the passing lanes to the limited shooter. All these strengths and weaknesses can greatly alter options in offense and defense.

You don't get more points for shooting unguarded 3s vs shooting guarded 3s. You're basically arguing that Winslow isn't a 3-point threat because he doesn't attempt 7 3s a game. Also, you're wrong about a defender not having to worry about Winslow shooting 3s because he only shoots open 3s well. If Winslow's shooting 45% on open 3s, defenders will be MORE inclined to worry about him being open not less.

Think about this, Player A and B attempt 5 3s per 36 minutes. Player A shoots 36% from 3 but 34% on guarded 3s. Player B shoots 38% from 3 but 32% on guarded 3s. Who's the better 3-point shooter? Obviously player B.

Let me think about that.
Player A 36% open 34% guarded
Player B 38% open 32% guarded

Well, if both these players get 1000 shots over a season but the offense only creates 200 open looks for them.
Player A 72 points from open looks, 272 points guarded, total: 344 points
Player B 76 points from open looks, 256 points guarded, total: 332 points

You can say player B is the better 3pt shooter but player A is better for this particular offense.

[HeatIn5]

Hey guys. Did I miss Anything today?

Y’all are like family to me and there aren’t many people in my life I have to share huge news with. I passed a huge certification exam for my line of work today that I have been stressing over in and out of heat drama for a couple months.

Thanks so much to all of you for keeping me sane through this process. Except for HeatLanta, I hate you. You stress me out.

Congrats bruh

Progression >>>>>

Wow, honestly didn't read first time I skimmed this post.

Congratz JFM

Waiters, eh? I’m drunk and have the hottest waitress ever so feeling good. You got one shot. Go.

[gom]

Hey guys. Did I miss Anything today?

Y’all are like family to me and there aren’t many people in my life I have to share huge news with. I passed a huge certification exam for my line of work today that I have been stressing over in and out of heat drama for a couple months.

Thanks so much to all of you for keeping me sane through this process. Except for HeatLanta, I hate you. You stress me out.

Congrats on passing the certification exam! Nothing is going to happen today. Go to the beach.

[Bishop45]

Waiters? A solid 3pt shooting guard who is an inefficient scorer(.530 TS%, highest in his career) in the prime of his career? Winslow's TS% was lower but you'd expect him to continue to get better for the next 3-5 years.

Thought we were talking about 3pt shooting?

There's a lot of inefficient players that contribute to good teams, don't see why we should throw out the baby with the bathwater

Wait what? The whole point of 3pt shooting is creating more points per possession, being more efficient in scoring which TS% basically shows, if Waiters stuck to just 3s and high % 2s he'd be a better option, but he can't do that, he has to try to create. Those who are inefficient normally bring another strength to the table like rebounding, defense, playmaking, Waiters doesn't do this.
Let's look at Houston's(since they shoot high volume) non stars TS% 3pt shooters.
House .642
Ennis .622
Green .555
Gordon .549
Tucker .547

Waiters, a career high of .530 last season, get him to just be a spot up shooter and he'd be good spacer, the problem is he just can't stop there. You can reference his ortg to see how he affects the team, he had a 102 ORTG last year and he's a career 98 ORTG player while having a career 109 drtg, just not good.

So he's not a good spacer, because he's not a good scorer? Compelling, should have thought of that.

[batterybro42]

I will say it right now I want Chris Paul in a Heat uniform even if we don’t get picks back, even if he’s on a 3 year deal, and we can’t touch it

There I said it

[gom]

I will say it right now I want Chris Paul in a Heat uniform even if we don’t get picks back, even if he’s on a 3 year deal, and we can’t touch it

There I said it

Why do you hate the Miami Heat?

[batterybro42]

Congrats bruh

Progression >>>>>

Wow, honestly didn't read first time I skimmed this post.

Congratz JFM

Waiters, eh? I’m drunk and have the hottest waitress ever so feeling good. You got one shot. Go.

Waiters can be a solid third option when not fat, shooting is really good right now, if he can gain some of his explosiveness he can be a highly effective player. That’s why Pat likes Waiters, there are some really good qualities of his game. He has the tools to be a real scorer he’s just only ever put it together for one stretch during 2017

[Feel_the_Heat15]

It absolutely is relevant, it can limit what can and can't be done on the court. A shooter like Waiters doesn't really drop all that significantly with a defender close to him vs a guy like Winslow who has to be open, that changes your option on offense on where you place him to stretch out the court. A 3pt shooter may move to a less open spot to manipulate the defense to try to give a playmaker more room to operate in a specific area of the court. Also, a guy who can only shoot 3s well wide open has to be "open" so a defender doesn't have to worry about him as much, the defender can play the angles much better if he's is watching the passing lanes to the limited shooter. All these strengths and weaknesses can greatly alter options in offense and defense.

You don't get more points for shooting unguarded 3s vs shooting guarded 3s. You're basically arguing that Winslow isn't a 3-point threat because he doesn't attempt 7 3s a game. Also, you're wrong about a defender not having to worry about Winslow shooting 3s because he only shoots open 3s well. If Winslow's shooting 45% on open 3s, defenders will be MORE inclined to worry about him being open not less.

Think about this, Player A and B attempt 5 3s per 36 minutes. Player A shoots 36% from 3 but 34% on guarded 3s. Player B shoots 38% from 3 but 32% on guarded 3s. Who's the better 3-point shooter? Obviously player B.

Let me think about that.
Player A 36% open 34% guarded
Player B 38% open 32% guarded

Well, if both these players get 1000 shots over a season but the offense only creates 200 open looks for them.
Player A 72 points from open looks, 272 points guarded, total: 344 points
Player B 76 points from open looks, 256 points guarded, total: 332 points

You can say player B is the better 3pt shooter but player A is better for this particular offense.

Players take more open 3s than contested 3s. Anyways, I don't think you understand how this works but I don't blame you as this is a difficult concept to understand. You think that contested 3s are "worth more" because of difficulty when the best shots are often the easiest shots. A made 3-point shot is 3 points. Difficulty doesn't change that. Also, it's made open shots that draw defenders. Contested shots are bad and open shots are good, that's something you should understand.

[batterybro42]

I will say it right now I want Chris Paul in a Heat uniform even if we don’t get picks back, even if he’s on a 3 year deal, and we can’t touch it

There I said it

Why do you hate the Miami Heat?

I don’t I just think Chris Paul is a lot better than what you guys think

I think he’s been in a situation where he’s dealing with a stat padding wing who likes to shut the offense down and isolate resulting in a shot or what I call a direct assist where he only moves the ball when he knows it’s a shot.

CP3 is the best offensive floor general in the NBA when he runs the floor, he could do that to with accessory wings in Herro and Butler

The stats when Harden didn’t play paint of a really clear picture of what CP3 can do. He’d be our best player in my opinion and I see him still being that even at 37 just in the same way Nash was still an all Star at that age.

Put a prime Nash with James Harden and ask yourself how you would have seen that working out? CP3 was the Rockets best player, and they were a better team when he dominated the ball. Harden would come in and routinely stall the offense unless he was going off

I wanted Russ but if you gave me my choice I’d take Paul who by the way is on a shorter deal and currently would be an UFA the same year as Jimmy. We’d have the flexibility to add another star by restraining our assets.

Let’s say that third star is Beal

Beal, Butler, and CP3 is a great Core when you add guys like Herro and Bam to it (assuming we trade Winslow for Beal and picks* fillers)

That’s where my head is at this 3 year window, CP3 gives us that. The contract doesn’t concern me cap space is a meme