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Re: Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0 

Post#1681 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:59 am

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Wiltside wrote:Watching the Lakers, LeBron's body language is horrific. Is it possible he asks for a trade? Probably not, as he's likely going to ride it out in the sunset in Hollywood, but who knows? He looks miserable.

Lowry, Duncan, Dru Smith and a FRP for Lebby and change.


LOL LeBron is worth way more than that. He is still a Top 10-15 player in the league. No way he is traded for this garbage.

DBurks2818 wrote:What you don’t want is Lowry being bought out and then immediately signed by a competitor in the East. Milwaukee and Cleveland could both use a backup PG as well, right?



Lowry isn't getting bought out. He is too good to get bought out and his salary [as an expiring] makes him the perfect trade chip. No chance he just gets bought out.

I think he meant Lowry getting bought out if traded to a non contender. Let's say he's dealt to the Hornets or Wiz for either Rozier or Jones he'll get bought out to sign with a contender. Similar to when Westbrook got traded to Utah.
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Post#1682 » by Colbinii » Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:15 am

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Wiltside wrote:Watching the Lakers, LeBron's body language is horrific. Is it possible he asks for a trade? Probably not, as he's likely going to ride it out in the sunset in Hollywood, but who knows? He looks miserable.

Lowry, Duncan, Dru Smith and a FRP for Lebby and change.


LOL LeBron is worth way more than that. He is still a Top 10-15 player in the league. No way he is traded for this garbage.

DBurks2818 wrote:What you don’t want is Lowry being bought out and then immediately signed by a competitor in the East. Milwaukee and Cleveland could both use a backup PG as well, right?



Lowry isn't getting bought out. He is too good to get bought out and his salary [as an expiring] makes him the perfect trade chip. No chance he just gets bought out.

I think he meant Lowry getting bought out if traded to a non contender. Let's say he's dealt to the Hornets or Wiz for either Rozier or Jones he'll get bought out to sign with a contender. Similar to when Westbrook got traded to Utah.


Yeah that's definitely possible. Boston makes a lot of sense in that regard [and he would get real minutes there].

I wouldn't be too worried about--and I hope the upgrade is bigger than going to just Rozier.
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Post#1683 » by AirP. » Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:14 am

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Wiltside wrote:Watching the Lakers, LeBron's body language is horrific. Is it possible he asks for a trade? Probably not, as he's likely going to ride it out in the sunset in Hollywood, but who knows? He looks miserable.

Lowry, Duncan, Dru Smith and a FRP for Lebby and change.

I think he's fine just riding it out in LA but surely expect Ham to be fired soon and some trades.

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Post#1684 » by VaDe255 » Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:50 am

Colbinii wrote:
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Colbinii wrote:
LOL LeBron is worth way more than that. He is still a Top 10-15 player in the league. No way he is traded for this garbage.




Lowry isn't getting bought out. He is too good to get bought out and his salary [as an expiring] makes him the perfect trade chip. No chance he just gets bought out.

I think he meant Lowry getting bought out if traded to a non contender. Let's say he's dealt to the Hornets or Wiz for either Rozier or Jones he'll get bought out to sign with a contender. Similar to when Westbrook got traded to Utah.


Yeah that's definitely possible. Boston makes a lot of sense in that regard [and he would get real minutes there].

I wouldn't be too worried about--and I hope the upgrade is bigger than going to just Rozier.


Most contenders won't be allowed to sign Lowry (including Boston), per tax apron rules. His contract is higher than the MLE.
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Post#1685 » by Wiltside » Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:16 am

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Wiltside wrote:Watching the Lakers, LeBron's body language is horrific. Is it possible he asks for a trade? Probably not, as he's likely going to ride it out in the sunset in Hollywood, but who knows? He looks miserable.

Lowry, Duncan, Dru Smith and a FRP for Lebby and change.

I think he's fine just riding it out in LA but surely expect Ham to be fired soon and some trades.

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Post#1686 » by batterybro42 » Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:55 pm

I come back to this all the time, but I do wonder as we approach the deadline if the Lakers are fading if Lebron does not ask out. We can match the salary, and if he demanded a trade the Lakers would have little leverage. Duncan, Lowry, and a pick would likely be all it would require. Gives the Lakers a huge expiring, a shooting piece, and a pick to retool when they would inevitably offload Davis as well. If it is here or elsewhere I would like to see Lebron in his last few years on a contending team. I don't see the Lakers as a contender, nor do I see Lebron as having the ability to drag teams through to the finals anymore. Just feels like the end of his career is kind of anticlimactic, and love him or hate him it's pretty boring
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Post#1687 » by twix2500 » Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:25 pm

I think Lebron has one selfish goal and that to play with his son with the Lakers. He will likely ride it out until he sees its not gonna happen. The Lakers might have different plans than Lebron and not sharing it with him.

Lebron is not playing well. Yeah he gets personal stats, but this is not the team oriented lebron any more. He is not playing defense and not the commander on the court. He is like the old disgrunted coach arguing with the current coach.
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Post#1688 » by twix2500 » Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:35 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:The Bucks sent out a total of five second-round picks for Crowder, two to Brooklyn and three to Indiana

We in here trying to get Tyus Jones for one SRP even an extra second would be laughable. He’s going to be going for a protected 1st in the 20’s.
The trade landscape has change. Not sure what it is but its not the same as last year

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It’s changed that drastically that a PG like Tyus Jones who’s still young and can start for many teams in the NBA will be sold off for an all time low of a 2nd round pick? Seems like NBA 2k trade hope traffic. Go ahead and push that in the Wiz forum and report back please



Like I said I do not know what the current trade landscape is. We seen all summer players being traded for all time low returns.

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Post#1689 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:54 pm

twix2500 wrote:I think Lebron has one selfish goal and that to play with his son with the Lakers. He will likely ride it out until he sees its not gonna happen. The Lakers might have different plans than Lebron and not sharing it with him.

Lebron is not playing well. Yeah he gets personal stats, but this is not the team oriented lebron any more. He is not playing defense and not the commander on the court. He is like the old disgrunted coach arguing with the current coach.




Only way Lebron play for us again is if he comes for a farewell tour once is current contract is up. So still 1.5 seasons to go.

This only happens if Lakers implode and are no longer contenders, and if we're looking like legit contenders. Getting his son in the second round might help our chances.

But honestly I'm not sure if it's worth it at that point, every year that goes by the injury risk increases and his elite play declines.
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Post#1690 » by wadenation305 » Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:10 pm

Hmm we have the Laker's '26 2nd rnd pick. It would be ironic if we pick up Bronny with their own pick XD But tbh, that ship has sailed. Don't poison the well.
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Post#1691 » by oreon » Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:15 pm

twix2500 wrote:I think Lebron has one selfish goal and that to play with his son with the Lakers. He will likely ride it out until he sees its not gonna happen. The Lakers might have different plans than Lebron and not sharing it with him.

Lebron is not playing well. Yeah he gets personal stats, but this is not the team oriented lebron any more. He is not playing defense and not the commander on the court. He is like the old disgrunted coach arguing with the current coach.


I disagree. He's playing well at an allstar level. But Lakers coaching is horrific, they can't shoot and their pieces don't fit. He's just not at the MVP level where he can cover for the teams weaknesses. Pre Lakers Lebron it didn't mattter who you had, he was getting to finals no matter. Now he's like most stars where the roster and coaching matters.
That's why Lakers should trade him. They are too far away for current Lebron and AD to carry them to title. And they don't have the assets to make trades to get them there. Lebron needs to be in a team that atleast a fringe contender and he can put them over the top. Lakers ain't that
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Post#1692 » by oreon » Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:18 pm

wadenation305 wrote:Hmm we have the Laker's '26 2nd rnd pick. It would be ironic if we pick up Bronny with their own pick XD But tbh, that ship has sailed. Don't poison the well.


If Bronny is available in 2nd round, I'd get him. Lebron can do what he wants cuz he's top 2 all time. Bronny is projected to be a starting level role player, players like that gotta toe the line. And from all the scouting he'd fit in here with heat culture. Plays defense, plays within his role on offense , good in transition and shoots well from 3.
Personally I'd like to get a higher ceiling player in the draft for pg. But if not, I'd take Bronny. He would do a lot of things Kyle does
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Post#1693 » by DBurks2818 » Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:14 pm

The problem is that he’s likely going to be a Klutch client.
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Post#1694 » by Bishop45 » Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:49 pm

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Post#1695 » by Flash4thewin » Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:16 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Wiltside wrote:Watching the Lakers, LeBron's body language is horrific. Is it possible he asks for a trade? Probably not, as he's likely going to ride it out in the sunset in Hollywood, but who knows? He looks miserable.

Lowry, Duncan, Dru Smith and a FRP for Lebby and change.

I think he's fine just riding it out in LA but surely expect Ham to be fired soon and some trades.

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Talk about good timing after his divorce :wink:
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Post#1696 » by batterybro42 » Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:13 pm

oreon wrote:
twix2500 wrote:I think Lebron has one selfish goal and that to play with his son with the Lakers. He will likely ride it out until he sees its not gonna happen. The Lakers might have different plans than Lebron and not sharing it with him.

Lebron is not playing well. Yeah he gets personal stats, but this is not the team oriented lebron any more. He is not playing defense and not the commander on the court. He is like the old disgrunted coach arguing with the current coach.


I disagree. He's playing well at an allstar level. But Lakers coaching is horrific, they can't shoot and their pieces don't fit. He's just not at the MVP level where he can cover for the teams weaknesses. Pre Lakers Lebron it didn't mattter who you had, he was getting to finals no matter. Now he's like most stars where the roster and coaching matters.
That's why Lakers should trade him. They are too far away for current Lebron and AD to carry them to title. And they don't have the assets to make trades to get them there. Lebron needs to be in a team that atleast a fringe contender and he can put them over the top. Lakers ain't that


I don't understand why we aren't hearing more about LeBron being moved, or hearing about him potentially wanting to be moved. Maybe he is just at the point where he is done chasing rings, but that Lakers team does not have anywhere enough and is completely dependent on LeBron playing like its the mid 2010s to get them over the top. That time is over, but Lebron is still a top 10 player in the league today.

To me it is a shame to see the best player of a generation still be good this deep into his career, but not really have a shot at winning it all. I would like to see him win one more
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Post#1697 » by IceColdCubano » Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:33 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:I think he's fine just riding it out in LA but surely expect Ham to be fired soon and some trades.

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Talk about good timing after his divorce :wink:

It doesn't matter much, just means he isn't giving up a lump sum to split his savings during divorce proceedings.
However his wife was a stay at home mom to take care of the children, so Alimony and child support will be adjusted to match the current earnings. The moment that extension kicks in, the ex wife will be submitting a form to family court to for an adjustment in payment owed. To which they will be increased 10 fold depending on what he was previously making. Instead of losing an immediate 50% he is just gonna lose 30% for the next 18-21 years depending on how long those kids will go to school, and whatever Alimony stipulations percentage increase was agreed to for the rest of his life.
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Post#1698 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:36 pm

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Post#1699 » by Bishop45 » Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:42 pm

Not getting my hopes up for this trade deadline, but it would be cool if something happened
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Post#1700 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:56 pm

Bishop45 wrote:Not getting my hopes up for this trade deadline, but it would be cool if something happened


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