Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0

[Beenie]

2 things can and are true in our current situation :

1) No organization can contend forever. We had a good run, almost got the chip. Didn't happen. Now the window is closed. It happens to every team, you retool/rebuild and try to build your next contender. You won't be a top 4 team every year for forever.

2) We did a really wack job these last few years. Missed opportunities, bad contracts, very questionable decisions all over the place. The Martin contract offer (thank god he declined) and even overpaying Highsmith compared to his other offers (and by that not leaving us an option to add a 15 player)- those are the most recent signs that Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
Our front office feels outdated, uncreative, just not good enough.

I'm OK with some down years and a retooling/rebuilding process, it's a natural cycle. but the decision makers need to wake up. I think we need a new voice in the front office. They've been very disappointing for a while now.

I question the sincerity of the so called rebuilding agenda that a lot of folks here and online seem to be advocating.

Trading Jimmy isn’t exactly a rebuild.

What are your thoughts on trading Bam and getting a Gobert/ Bridges type of return?

[ZoStrong]

If we’re not trading for a star Im down to retool/reset and trade Jimmy for everything that we can get, that would be far more interesting than this trash we throw out every night and delusionally believe it can win the championship as the 8th seed and 3-4 good players.

But in the process of doing that we need to point out the main culprit for needing to do this (the FO) and retool there as well.

This was the year to do it. You send off Jimmy to sixers. Get frps. Clear cap space. Take on a bad deal maybe for more picks or facilitate another deal. Play all the young guys and make Duncan herro available. We have our pick protected so we'd take our pick, depending how bad we are we'd have a shot at Cooper flagg but this draft is loaded. And we'd have cap space, a top ten draft pick to add to our roster, herro Duncan rozier on expiring (if they weren't moved). And we'd unlock a future frp plus the sixers frp's we got. Extend jovic. Make a move for a star or sign next years Paul George or Derozan. And we'd be gucci. That's a plan. Gives us a window to compete.

Instead we run it back. Jimmy deserves it honestly with what he's done for us. But it's not the "right" move for the franchise. This is pat being old and trying to win so he can retire after a ring and it keeps eluding him becauze he's going about it the wrong way.

What makes it worse is you know damn well Pat isn’t giving Jimmy 4/$240M after this season so if Jimmy is dead set on the money that’s been reported he’s for sure walking for nothing lol. Maybe a sign and trade but that’ll get us less than we could’ve got for him

Walk or sign n trade. Who knows?

There's so much time between now n the trading deadline and next off-season. It's not good for your health to worry so much into the future. Let's see what we got going into the training camp first

[ZoStrong]

2 things can and are true in our current situation :

1) No organization can contend forever. We had a good run, almost got the chip. Didn't happen. Now the window is closed. It happens to every team, you retool/rebuild and try to build your next contender. You won't be a top 4 team every year for forever.

2) We did a really wack job these last few years. Missed opportunities, bad contracts, very questionable decisions all over the place. The Martin contract offer (thank god he declined) and even overpaying Highsmith compared to his other offers (and by that not leaving us an option to add a 15 player)- those are the most recent signs that Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
Our front office feels outdated, uncreative, just not good enough.

I'm OK with some down years and a retooling/rebuilding process, it's a natural cycle. but the decision makers need to wake up. I think we need a new voice in the front office. They've been very disappointing for a while now.

I question the sincerity so called rebuilding agenda that a lot of folks here and online seem to be advocating.

Trading Jimmy isn’t exactly a rebuild.

What are your thoughts on trading Bam and getting a Gobert/ Bridges type of return?

I want 3 or 4 first rounds to start that convo

[ZoStrong]

But not happening. So wasting time thinking about that

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[ZoStrong]

2 things can and are true in our current situation :

1) No organization can contend forever. We had a good run, almost got the chip. Didn't happen. Now the window is closed. It happens to every team, you retool/rebuild and try to build your next contender. You won't be a top 4 team every year for forever.

2) We did a really wack job these last few years. Missed opportunities, bad contracts, very questionable decisions all over the place. The Martin contract offer (thank god he declined) and even overpaying Highsmith compared to his other offers (and by that not leaving us an option to add a 15 player)- those are the most recent signs that Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
Our front office feels outdated, uncreative, just not good enough.

I'm OK with some down years and a retooling/rebuilding process, it's a natural cycle. but the decision makers need to wake up. I think we need a new voice in the front office. They've been very disappointing for a while now.

When u don't have a lot of chips to play, it doesn't matter if you are a top poker player, your all-ins are just laughable. No need w these "outdated, uncreative" criticism. Tell them to bottom feeders of the league

[Beenie]

But not happening. So wasting time thinking about that

99% of every transactional idea discussed isn’t happening so being reticent on what the vision of team should be would apply across the board if that was indeed the standard.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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If they are relatively healthy all season, probably 5th seed, imo.

But things always happen during the season. All teams. Hope JRich is back to 100% n Rozier has a fast start. Jaime n Jovic building on the last season.

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Tanking seems like a great idea this year.

[ZoStrong]

But not happening. So wasting time thinking about that

99% of every transactional idea discussed isn’t happening so being reticent on what the vision of team should be would apply across the board if that was indeed the standard.

Yes, but most of those imaginary transactions involve players who are likely to move or or possibly available. You think Celtics fans are debating about Tatum trades? We can talk about Jimmy trades, but Bam not happening as time soon

[MettaWorldPanda]

We can trade Duncan and J Rich to the Wiz and offer Tyus MLE money. The S&T rules would suffice as the deal would put us under the first apron and hard cap us to the second apron.

[Vertical Limit]

Jimmy could have a career year and I still wouldn't extend him. He'll be 36 after the upcoming season. Trade him before the deadline.

No way in hell should we extend that contract.. that would be all time dumb. Trade him to a contender.. i bet we can get two firsts and some contracts that expire by 2026 ..

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[heater4life]

This team is constantly in the hunt to get better, although many don’t like the end result, they are always on deck to take the swing, while many other teams don’t even get to the plate.

Giannis 2021- were in position to sign him before Bam max, no one else available of note

Lowry trade- was a dud, yet look at OKC with CP3 .Bad luck.

In mix for KD, in mix for Dame (requesting here and only here)

Plenty of chances to improve that haven’t broken our way. Isn’t for a lack of vision or planning.

[HeatIn5]

This team is constantly in the hunt to get better, although many don’t like the end result, they are always on deck to take the swing, while many other teams don’t even get to the plate.

Giannis 2021- were in position to sign him before Bam max, no one else available of note

Lowry trade- was a dud, yet look at OKC with CP3 .Bad luck.

In mix for KD, in mix for Dame (requesting here and only here)

Plenty of chances to improve that haven’t broken our way. Isn’t for a lack of vision or planning.

You can argue that in Riley's Heat career that he's given more bad contracts than whales received.

I love Pat, I love this team, but you can argue it

[MettaWorldPanda]

We should be trying to work out a S&T for Tyus. He would be a huge upgrade at the backup PG spot and is a better long term fit over Rozier. We can deal Rozier next year when he’s an expiring contract. Tyus and Butler are also friends. Our bigs would flourish with Tyus at the point.

[HeatIn5]

We should be trying to work out a S&T for Tyus. He would be a huge upgrade at the backup PG spot and is a better long term fit over Rozier. We can deal Rozier next year when he’s an expiring contract. Tyus and Butler are also friends. Our bigs would flourish with Tyus at the point.

100% agree.

The only hiccup would be the possibility of Herro having to go to WAS and play with Poole or Kuzma

Maybe a Duncan move? But that still wouldn't solve the Herro issue

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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This man could use a Herro!!