2014 Miami Heat Offseason Thread (Rumors/Reports) 5.0

Heat_Fan_87 · Post #1701 » by **Heat_Fan_87** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 10:55 pm

Okafor and other vets that will take the min can be dealt with last. Get another decent big and shooter.

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Post #1702 » by **PaulieWal** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 10:55 pm

DeeDub wrote:
PaulieWal wrote:
DeeDub wrote:Thomas isn't a bad defender, so not sure why we'd be severaly lacking there.

Thomas is a bad defender. All of his defensive stats (advanced) are quite lacking and judging by the eye-test he doesn't look good as a defender either. I wouldn't count Wade's defensive consistency/intensity going forward either. I don't know about you but I think a backcourt of Wade/Thomas/Napier/Allen is going to be a mess defensively.

Overall, Thomas gave up 0.83 PPP on 37.7% shooting, which puts him in the top 20% among NBA players. In isolation, he was a little better -- 0.76 PPP on 32.6%. He was good defending the PnR ball handler -- 0.73 PPP on 37th, which is about top 12-13%. And he held spot up shooters to 34.4% shooting and 0.89 PPP. Those are all soldi numbers. The Kings defense gave up 4.3 points per 100 possessions fewer when Thomas was on the court than when he was off it. His opponent counterpart's PER was below average. So no, his advanced defensive stats are not all lacking.

His DRAPM is lacking and DTRG is quite ordinary (though that's more of a team rating).

This was written mid-season so his numbers might have improved, just to make sure you have the end of the season numbers?

According to mySynergySports, Thomas is ranked 216th in overall defense this season, allowing 0.89 points per play. Opponents are shooting roughly 42 percent from the field and 39.6 percent from 3-point distance against him.

Link: http://cowbellkingdom.com/isaiah-thomas ... n-defense/

Heat_Fan_87 · Post #1703 » by **Heat_Fan_87** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 10:56 pm

We still have the 3.4 mil trade exception.

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Altered_Beast · Post #1704 » by **Altered_Beast** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 10:57 pm

Heat_Fan_87 wrote:Sign rush and Davis

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rush im ok with since he can probably get the minimum but big baby. idk id like to see him get into shape like he did that one season in orlando first

insfo · Post #1705 » by **insfo** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 10:58 pm

^ he might be referring to Ed Davis

Sonny Carson · Post #1706 » by **Sonny Carson** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 10:58 pm

Chi-NYC wrote:** I come in peace**

On Saturday I came here and posted my "inside info" some of you believed me I sent one poster photos of proof of my connection. So of you **** on me.. I promise you I'm not trolling. I was aways on a holiday this weekend working 80-85hr a week for 7months I think I deserve a long weekend.

I talked to my source today and he said cavs are still confident in lebron to cavs but the team in the east (my inside info- one of my closet friends) plays on is under full understand big 3 will be back!

Congratz guys.. I maybe 100% wrong things change by the second but just thought you would like to know.

Again- I am not trolling please don't ban me. I have always been a lurker on this site.

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So because the team your friend plays on....believes the BIg 3 will be back....thats what we should go off of? :lol:

Post #1707 » by **IggieCC** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 10:58 pm

DeeDub wrote:
PaulieWal wrote:
DeeDub wrote:Thomas isn't a bad defender, so not sure why we'd be severaly lacking there.

Thomas is a bad defender. All of his defensive stats (advanced) are quite lacking and judging by the eye-test he doesn't look good as a defender either. I wouldn't count Wade's defensive consistency/intensity going forward either. I don't know about you but I think a backcourt of Wade/Thomas/Napier/Allen is going to be a mess defensively.

Overall, Thomas gave up 0.83 PPP on 37.7% shooting, which puts him in the top 20% among NBA players. In isolation, he was a little better -- 0.76 PPP on 32.6%. He was good defending the PnR ball handler -- 0.73 PPP on 37th, which is about top 12-13%. And he held spot up shooters to 34.4% shooting and 0.89 PPP. Those are all soldi numbers. The Kings defense gave up 4.3 points per 100 possessions fewer when Thomas was on the court than when he was off it. His opponent counterpart's PER was below average. So no, his advanced defensive stats are not all lacking.

Dude, you don't need advanced stats to prove that Thomas isn't a bad defender. NBA players don't pick on midget players 8-)

but believe me, if Thomas was a Heat, THEY WILL!!!

Heat_Fan_87 · Post #1708 » by **Heat_Fan_87** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 10:59 pm

Ed Davis. Not that fat **** baby

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Sonny Carson · Post #1709 » by **Sonny Carson** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 10:59 pm

Mr. Dynomite! wrote:I see LeBron signing a one year deal with the Heat. Makes the most sense and still gives him flexibility.

Its clear he's coming back.

But am starting to think its a 2year deal and another opt out.

Altered_Beast · Post #1710 » by **Altered_Beast** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:00 pm

Heat_Fan_87 wrote:Ed Davis. Not that fat **** baby

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loool yes ed davis would be awesome

:lol:

RexBoyWonder · Post #1711 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:01 pm

When free agency started, the number 12 came up when talking about possible free cap size. We might not have had that much, but I still believe that the big 3 taking a small discount is a real possibility, given everything we heard.

Salary cap = 63.5

Wade = 13
Bosh = 17
Lebron = 17
Haslem = 2 (strech contract to 3 years)
Cole = 2
Napier = 1
Full MLE cap hold - renounced
Mcbob = 5
Granger (bi-annual exception )
Cap holds = 2.5

total = 59.5

Free cap space = 4 Mil.

Could net us another decent player. If we move Cole or get Haslem to take the vet min, or big 3 take bigger discount, could go up to 6-7 Mil for another player.

GzyGee · Post #1712 » by **GzyGee** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:02 pm

Sonny Carson wrote:
Chi-NYC wrote:** I come in peace**

On Saturday I came here and posted my "inside info" some of you believed me I sent one poster photos of proof of my connection. So of you **** on me.. I promise you I'm not trolling. I was aways on a holiday this weekend working 80-85hr a week for 7months I think I deserve a long weekend.

I talked to my source today and he said cavs are still confident in lebron to cavs but the team in the east (my inside info- one of my closet friends) plays on is under full understand big 3 will be back!

Congratz guys.. I maybe 100% wrong things change by the second but just thought you would like to know.

Again- I am not trolling please don't ban me. I have always been a lurker on this site.

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So because the team your friend plays on....believes the BIg 3 will be back....thats what we should go off of?

Exactly

. When I read this type of info, I'm always thinking "yuup he's gone" :lol:

Altered_Beast · Post #1713 » by **Altered_Beast** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:03 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:When free agency started, the number 12 came up when talking about possible free cap size. We might not have had that much, but I still believe that the big 3 taking a small discount is a real possibility, given everything we heard.

Salary cap = 63.5

Wade = 13
Bosh = 17
Lebron = 17
Haslem = 2 (strech contract to 3 years)
Cole = 2
Napier = 1
Full MLE cap hold - renounced
Mcbob = 5
Granger (TPE)
Cap holds = 2.5

total = 59.5

Free cap space = 4 Mil.

Could net us another decent player. If we move Cole or get Haslem to take the vet min, or big 3 take bigger discount, could go up to 6-7 Mil for another player.

im not an nba numbers expert but when you make these projections do you not take into account going into the luxury?

just curious not criticising your post in any way, or is that not possible

Superbasketball · Post #1714 » by **Superbasketball** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:03 pm

McRoberts is not going to help that much. He cannot defend well and is not an efficient shooter. The heat should not have given him the MLE. The heat should have waited longer or not have used the MLE.

IMO, I think the heat chances are lower than they were before because now they used up most of their free cap space outside of the big three. If Bosh leaves and Melo signs I believe that will leave the heat with no real option.

What will heat do? Try to sign Deng, Gasol, Ariza with the money Bosh was going to make? They would have to get at least Deng/Ariza and Pau imo to have a chance.

Chi-NYC · Post #1715 » by **Chi-NYC** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:04 pm

GzyGee wrote:
Sonny Carson wrote:
Chi-NYC wrote:** I come in peace**

On Saturday I came here and posted my "inside info" some of you believed me I sent one poster photos of proof of my connection. So of you **** on me.. I promise you I'm not trolling. I was aways on a holiday this weekend working 80-85hr a week for 7months I think I deserve a long weekend.

I talked to my source today and he said cavs are still confident in lebron to cavs but the team in the east (my inside info- one of my closet friends) plays on is under full understand big 3 will be back!

Congratz guys.. I maybe 100% wrong things change by the second but just thought you would like to know.

Again- I am not trolling please don't ban me. I have always been a lurker on this site.

Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

So because the team your friend plays on....believes the BIg 3 will be back....thats what we should go off of?

Exactly . When I read this type of info, I'm always thinking "yuup he's gone"

No- I completely agree.. I just wanted to pass on any little info I get.. Good luck rest of the #FreeAgency!!

djkeem · Post #1716 » by **djkeem** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:04 pm

What are the chances bosh becomes a low/mid post threat next season?

DeeDub · Post #1717 » by **DeeDub** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:06 pm

PaulieWal wrote:
DeeDub wrote:
PaulieWal wrote:
Thomas is a bad defender. All of his defensive stats (advanced) are quite lacking and judging by the eye-test he doesn't look good as a defender either. I wouldn't count Wade's defensive consistency/intensity going forward either. I don't know about you but I think a backcourt of Wade/Thomas/Napier/Allen is going to be a mess defensively.

Overall, Thomas gave up 0.83 PPP on 37.7% shooting, which puts him in the top 20% among NBA players. In isolation, he was a little better -- 0.76 PPP on 32.6%. He was good defending the PnR ball handler -- 0.73 PPP on 37th, which is about top 12-13%. And he held spot up shooters to 34.4% shooting and 0.89 PPP. Those are all soldi numbers. The Kings defense gave up 4.3 points per 100 possessions fewer when Thomas was on the court than when he was off it. His opponent counterpart's PER was below average. So no, his advanced defensive stats are not all lacking.

His DRAPM is lacking and DTRG is quite ordinary (though that's more of a team rating).

This was written mid-season so his numbers might have improved, just to make sure you have the end of the season numbers?

According to mySynergySports, Thomas is ranked 216th in overall defense this season, allowing 0.89 points per play. Opponents are shooting roughly 42 percent from the field and 39.6 percent from 3-point distance against him.

Link: http://cowbellkingdom.com/isaiah-thomas ... n-defense/

The numbers I posted are the end of season numbers that I just got off Synergy.

contract · Post #1718 » by **contract** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:06 pm

It's 7:05 pm and I'm exhausted. This free agency **** is wiping me out.

RexBoyWonder · Post #1719 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:08 pm

Altered_Beast wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:When free agency started, the number 12 came up when talking about possible free cap size. We might not have had that much, but I still believe that the big 3 taking a small discount is a real possibility, given everything we heard.

Salary cap = 63.5

Wade = 13
Bosh = 17
Lebron = 17
Haslem = 2 (strech contract to 3 years)
Cole = 2
Napier = 1
Full MLE cap hold - renounced
Mcbob = 5
Granger (TPE)
Cap holds = 2.5

total = 59.5

Free cap space = 4 Mil.

Could net us another decent player. If we move Cole or get Haslem to take the vet min, or big 3 take bigger discount, could go up to 6-7 Mil for another player.

im not an nba numbers expert but when you make these projections do you not take into account going into the luxury?

just curious not criticising your post in any way, or is that not possible

Why would I? the Luxury tax threshold is projected to be around 77 Mil, we're nowhere near it.

GzyGee · Post #1720 » by **GzyGee** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:08 pm

Chi-NYC wrote:
GzyGee wrote:
Sonny Carson wrote:

So because the team your friend plays on....believes the BIg 3 will be back....thats what we should go off of?

Exactly . When I read this type of info, I'm always thinking "yuup he's gone"

No- I completely agree.. I just wanted to pass on any little info I get.. Good luck rest of the #FreeAgency!!

If this is true then we appreciate it. Thanks man!