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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition 

Post#1701 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:11 pm

twix2500 wrote:There is a player iv been watching develop slowly on the Hawks team is Jalen Johnson. I think he would be a sneaky wonderful get for the Heat system. Very good athleticism, good size 6'9, very good defensive talent that fits Heat system. Runs and a cut very well. Not a good shooter but has a good form in his stroke.

Another side not. I think the Heat really f'up not getting Cam Reddish while his value was low.

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Post#1702 » by contract » Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:11 pm

MorbidHEAT wrote:People really forget how young Herro is. He has been in the league for 4 years and has improved every year. We don't really know where his ceiling is. He needs to add the ability to draw fouls to his game and with that he will average a higher points per game. Once he does that and is more consistent, we would be talking about being in the same category as a Donovan Mitchell. He is already perfectly ok with shooting and play making in big moments.

Using the Celtics as an example, because that team was perfectly built. I think we need to use Tyler more in the Ray Allen role. He has to be running around screens and be ready to shoot any open shot, and then drive when he has the avenue. That isn't to say that he can't handle the ball and make plays, but for Jimmy to be effective, Jimmy has to be in the Paul Pierce play making role. Bam will never be KG offensively, but he has to be aggressive like KD at all times so the defense collapses on him and it opens up the court.

There is something missing right now. We rarely see Jimmy, Bam, and Tyler all have a good game together. That combination of players isn't meshing well all the time, and that is a bit of a problem. It all hinges on Jimmy and Bam being aggressive.

The problem is that that is simply not how Tyler plays. You want Tyler to play like old Ray Allen, but he wants to play more like young Ray Allen. He wants the ball in his hands. He leads the team (again) in shot attempts per game, shot attempts per minute played, shot attempts per possession, and in usage rate. He doesn't want to be a complementary piece, he wants to be a star. He wants to be THE star. He's very clearly our 3rd best option, but too often he's option #1.

For whatever reason Spo and the organization seem reluctant to set the proper pecking order.
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Post#1704 » by contract » Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:12 pm

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twix2500 wrote:There is a player iv been watching develop slowly on the Hawks team is Jalen Johnson. I think he would be a sneaky wonderful get for the Heat system. Very good athleticism, good size 6'9, very good defensive talent that fits Heat system. Runs and a cut very well. Not a good shooter but has a good form in his stroke.

Another side not. I think the Heat really f'up not getting Cam Reddish while his value was low.

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Post#1705 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:15 pm

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MorbidHEAT wrote:People really forget how young Herro is. He has been in the league for 4 years and has improved every year. We don't really know where his ceiling is. He needs to add the ability to draw fouls to his game and with that he will average a higher points per game. Once he does that and is more consistent, we would be talking about being in the same category as a Donovan Mitchell. He is already perfectly ok with shooting and play making in big moments.

Using the Celtics as an example, because that team was perfectly built. I think we need to use Tyler more in the Ray Allen role. He has to be running around screens and be ready to shoot any open shot, and then drive when he has the avenue. That isn't to say that he can't handle the ball and make plays, but for Jimmy to be effective, Jimmy has to be in the Paul Pierce play making role. Bam will never be KG offensively, but he has to be aggressive like KD at all times so the defense collapses on him and it opens up the court.

There is something missing right now. We rarely see Jimmy, Bam, and Tyler all have a good game together. That combination of players isn't meshing well all the time, and that is a bit of a problem. It all hinges on Jimmy and Bam being aggressive.

The problem is that that is simply not how Tyler plays. You want Tyler to play like old Ray Allen, but he wants to play more like young Ray Allen. He wants the ball in his hands. He leads the team (again) in shot attempts per game, shot attempts per minute played, shot attempts per possession, and in usage rate. He doesn't want to be a complementary piece, he wants to be a star. He wants to be THE star. He's very clearly our 3rd best option, but too often he's option #1.

For whatever reason Spo and the organization seem reluctant to set the proper pecking order.


I think they know he effects the game little to none if he’s not scoring and scoring efficiently so they load his plate and are ok with him leading the team in shots and usage even though neither of those things truly help us.

If you’re leading the team in shots and usage while playing no defense I need like 25-5-7 out of you bare minimum
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Post#1706 » by twix2500 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:23 pm

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Nice to see Jovic back on the court. Just another body that Spo will never play in the end though.


Depresses me thinking about how much more interesting we’d be with Jovic and Yurtseven getting burn.


Unpopular take :

ATM Jovic > Love.

He's taller, can pass, great IQ, can shoot. Better defender. Just lacks the experience.

Zeller and Love are playing fine, but Omer and Jovic could be just as impactful if they get the burn (they won't).
I'm fine with the situation. Jovic is getting the individual coaching that he needs that he wouldn't have gotten on the active roster. Getting Love allowed the Heat to keep Jovic and and buy the Heat time for his development. Im hoping Heat resigns Love this summer, Jovic gets a good summer league and be ready for quality mins on the active roster next season. Heat could just add one more developmental versatile 4 to the mix of Love, Jovic and Martin, it would be good.

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Post#1707 » by twix2500 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:28 pm

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twix2500 wrote:There is a player iv been watching develop slowly on the Hawks team is Jalen Johnson. I think he would be a sneaky wonderful get for the Heat system. Very good athleticism, good size 6'9, very good defensive talent that fits Heat system. Runs and a cut very well. Not a good shooter but has a good form in his stroke.

Another side not. I think the Heat really f'up not getting Cam Reddish while his value was low.

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Might be become a big time player for the Blazers.

Heat were searching for bargains and he was right in their face. The Lowry situation must have really distracted the Heat on what they wanted to do.

Blazers got a 1st round pick to take on Reddish!!!

Heat should of focused on building around Bam to give him help. Reddish and Hachimura were right there for pennies. And the Heat would of still have room to maneuver for Love.
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Post#1708 » by twix2500 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:39 pm

The Lowry situation needs to be resolved. Heat needs to make a decision to either get him back on the court or decide to call him out for the season and pick up John Wall.

Hell i would of traded for Nunn back if Lowry not gonna return.

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Post#1709 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:42 pm

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twix2500 wrote:There is a player iv been watching develop slowly on the Hawks team is Jalen Johnson. I think he would be a sneaky wonderful get for the Heat system. Very good athleticism, good size 6'9, very good defensive talent that fits Heat system. Runs and a cut very well. Not a good shooter but has a good form in his stroke.

Another side not. I think the Heat really f'up not getting Cam Reddish while his value was low.

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Might be become a big time player for the Blazers.

Heat were searching for bargains and he was right in their face. The Lowry situation must have really distracted the Heat on what they wanted to do.

Blazers got a 1st round pick to take on Reddish!!!

Heat should of focused on building around Bam to give him help. Reddish and Hachimura were right there for pennies. And the Heat would of still have room to maneuver for Love.
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We’ll they did get Josh Hart in return and he’s been amazing for the Knicks, they’ve lost 1 game since getting him and it was the Hornets last night.

But yea I agree there were definitely moves out there to make that would have improved the team and also given us solid pieces for the future. This summer is all or nothing, big moves should be made one way or another
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Post#1710 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:43 pm

twix2500 wrote:The Lowry situation needs to be resolved. Heat needs to make a decision to either get him back on the court or decide to call him out for the season and pick up John Wall.

Hell i would tradrd for Nunn back if Lowry not gonna return.

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Reported yesterday the Heat are optimistic he’s back this season and think it’ll be as early as within the next week. I mean I feel like a 6 game homestand would’ve been the perfect time to return but apparently he’s still not super confident in his knee.

I’m assuming they’re not on terrible terms seeing as he’s been at the games on the bench at least
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Always something with him, could possibly be a high risk high reward trade opportunity at some point though
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Post#1712 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:57 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
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Nice to see Jovic back on the court. Just another body that Spo will never play in the end though.


Depresses me thinking about how much more interesting we’d be with Jovic and Yurtseven getting burn.


Unpopular take :

ATM Jovic > Love.

He's taller, can pass, great IQ, can shoot. Better defender. Just lacks the experience.

Zeller and Love are playing fine, but Omer and Jovic could be just as impactful if they get the burn (they won't).


Most likely in games where Bam or Love sits.
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Post#1713 » by twix2500 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 4:00 pm

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I called it before he got drafted. Getting Zion you have a very short window to succeed like Derrick Rose, because his body will not last long. But it appears his window is shorter than Rose.
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Post#1715 » by twix2500 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 4:04 pm

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twix2500 wrote:The Lowry situation needs to be resolved. Heat needs to make a decision to either get him back on the court or decide to call him out for the season and pick up John Wall.

Hell i would tradrd for Nunn back if Lowry not gonna return.

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Reported yesterday the Heat are optimistic he’s back this season and think it’ll be as early as within the next week. I mean I feel like a 6 game homestand would’ve been the perfect time to return but apparently he’s still not super confident in his knee.

I’m assuming they’re not on terrible terms seeing as he’s been at the games on the bench at least
Lowry should excell with Love. Spo needs to let Lowry run point and run Herro off a screens a lot more often. With Love and Bam you have two good screeners that both Butler and Herro can play off of running off ball.

However if Lowry is really having knee issues, I don't see how he can be dependent on to play.

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Post#1716 » by twix2500 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 4:26 pm

Is Grant Williams value shrinking?

Would you trade Lowry for Grant Williams?

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Post#1717 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Mar 8, 2023 4:54 pm

Everytime I see a Rich Paul client get brought up i think about the 9-10 years that have past without such as a discussion of Riley dealing with Paul since Lebron left. Until Riley retires good luck with any Paul clients coming here ie Van Vleet or broken down John Wall. Rest assured I believe the feelings are mutual with Paul towards Riley. I for one believe anytime you hear the Heat linked to one of his clients it's a complete smokescreen designed as leverage or to embarrass the Heat for when they continue to strike out. It's a dirty game
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Post#1718 » by SoFlaKingReal » Wed Mar 8, 2023 5:11 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Everytime I see a Rich Paul client get brought up i think about the 9-10 years that have past without such as a discussion of Riley dealing with Paul since Lebron left. Until Riley retires good luck with any Paul clients coming here ie Van Vleet or broken down John Wall. Rest assured I believe the feelings are mutual with Paul towards Riley. I for one believe anytime you hear the Heat linked to one of his clients it's a complete smokescreen designed as leverage or to embarrass the Heat for when they continue to strike out. It's a dirty game


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Post#1720 » by ShulaDon92 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 8:44 pm

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Absolutely Herro has a leap in him where he can elevate his game further. If mental midget Bam can do it no doubt Tyler can. Again he needs to get stronger - W/ his elite footwork this will help him attack the basket easier & get to the line more. The only question is where will most of his focus be.....IG fame & sexing his IG model wife?


Just from the little I've seen posted on these boards, it seems like Herro does not have a work issue. The kid puts in the work and is constantly trying to improve. I don't question that aspect.

My concern is whether or not that will translate into a leap on the court.

Herro is an elite shooter and he can definitely put the ball in the basket. That is not up for debate. The question is can he go from being an above average player to and all-star calibre player.

Will he end up being more Jordan Clarkson/Buddy Hield or will he be something closer to CJ McCollum/Zach Lavine?

Personally, I don't seem him going beyond that CJ McCollum/Zach Lavine threshold, which is basically saying Herro might crack the top-10 at his position, but if he does he will barely do so.

The questions are ...

1. Can he be more efficient doing what he already does?
2. Can he add more while being more efficient?
3. Can he do more without subtracting from his teammates?

The answers as I see it so far are ...

1. Probably.
2. Possibly.
3. I don't know.

That 3rd one is the real tricky part. More isn't really more if it doesn't add to the sum of the parts (the team's performance).


If Herro misses less shots he will be efficient. He needs to maximize his spots like old Ray Allen. I loved that analogy. Ray Allen is a great player to mold hos game after. Also, Jerry West, one of the goats.

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