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[powerball1373]

After getting the Nuggets general manager job, Booth had his staff study all the teams that made the Finals since 2008 to find out their average wingspan and weight. They took the top eight rotations, exempting the smallest player in the group since it'd skew the averages, and found that the average player had a wingspan of 6-foot-11 with a weight of 228 pounds.

If a team's rotation didn't hit one of those two thresholds, they weren't in the Finals-except for the 2013 Heat. "One of the most athletic teams of all time. LeBron. D-Wade. Shane Battier. Chris Bosh," Booth said.

"And so, seeing that, I don't like trying to be the exception to the rule."

Yeah pretty much you need the Heatles, or prime Steph, Klay, Dray + KD and Iggy for smallball to really work lol.

[MorbidHEAT]

If Minny makes it to the Finals, its going to be a **** show for Boston. Kristaps going down game 1. Horford and his ELITE defense is going to be taxed.

Minny can take Dallas and whoever comes out of the east. They are taking the chip.

Irony for Jimmy is that KAT might get a chip, and Jimmy likely won’t at this point.

[GopherIt!]

we comin’ rex

Spoiler:

no iggie, no problems

[RexBoyWonder]

After getting the Nuggets general manager job, Booth had his staff study all the teams that made the Finals since 2008 to find out their average wingspan and weight. They took the top eight rotations, exempting the smallest player in the group since it'd skew the averages, and found that the average player had a wingspan of 6-foot-11 with a weight of 228 pounds.

If a team's rotation didn't hit one of those two thresholds, they weren't in the Finals-except for the 2013 Heat. "One of the most athletic teams of all time. LeBron. D-Wade. Shane Battier. Chris Bosh," Booth said.

"And so, seeing that, I don't like trying to be the exception to the rule."

It's what iv'e been saying for months now -

It's time to supersize the entire team.

Get a huge C that can shot (Like K.Ware), move Bam to PF, Jovic and JJJ at SF, Jimmy at SG, if we can also add a big strong long PG like Devin Carter do it.

It's time to go back to Heat basketball - get bigger, tougher, longer, hope to build and elite defending rebounding hussling team with just enough scoring. Because we don't have that elite scoring talent.

[RexBoyWonder]

we comin’ rex

Spoiler:

no iggie, no problems

Congrats Goph

You guys really deserve it.

Days of mocking the pups are gone, it's sad but it's the cycle of life - you really became Wolves after 20 years.

Rooting for you to take the chip, go all the way. It's doable if Ant stays hot and the role players don't disappear.

[contract]

I'm glad that Denver lost because Mike Malone is obnoxious as hell.

[contract]

Unthinkable a few years ago

I don't think that's accurate. 4/5 of Minny's starters ...

shot 37.3 3pt% or better vs the Nuggets this round

shot 34.4 3pt% or better in the playoffs so far

shot 33.7 3pt% or better during the regular season

[contract]

we comin’ rex

Spoiler:

no iggie, no problems

[contract]

If Minny makes it to the Finals, its going to be a **** show for Boston. Kristaps going down game 1. Horford and his ELITE defense is going to be taxed.

Minny can take Dallas and whoever comes out of the east. They are taking the chip.

Irony for Jimmy is that KAT might get a chip, and Jimmy likely won’t at this point.

The Mavs have two guys that can break down a defense, so it may not be as easy as you think. Trying to contain Luka and Kyrie at the same time is going to be a headache.

[DayofMourning]

If we move Bam to the 4 spot to add size in the front court we will kill our spacing and our offense will suck worse because Jimmy won't be able to get near the paint. We'd be taking our best offensive player out of his best spot.

Bams been implementing his stretch shooting already and the five we get would be expected to stretch too.

I dont even account for Jimmy in all this. If we want to base our acquisitions on building around a 35 year old Butler, then we are going to have poor returns. Love dude, but he cant play basketball with a walker.

[DayofMourning]

Ant- "When Rudy hit that turnaround, I said we probably gotem".

Lol.

[greg4012]

Man we really need to have bam at 4 next year the NBA is changing again

It really hasn’t changed much. Size still and will always rule. Even when Miami had the big 3 our guys were lengthy and Lebron at 6’9 250 at the 4 doesn’t count as small ball. What Spo has tried to do the past 5 years is instill D’Antoni’s small ball which has some playoff success but just not enough to ever win it all. It’s a big man’s game in the playoffs.

Spo is not running a D'Antoni system at all. That's just a false equivalency to feed the size confirmation bias that people on here are desperate to yell with the Wolves winning against an equally large team.

Functional size AND athleticism rules all in the NBA. Across all 5 positions. It's a matchup game & a space game.

Miami def needs to get bigger across the board. Whether you label Bam's impact or role in the game as a 4 or 5 is whatever (he's literally been a 5 his entire career, he can just guard anyone and can play with a variety of skillsets as a result).

[greg4012]

Man we really need to have bam at 4 next year the NBA is changing again

I think the age old formula always wins if done right. This small ball **** is a joke. A joke.

The Heat beat plenty of bigger teams in just the past few years. League always going to be about talent and match-ups.

‘The League is changing…’ is a red herring for the fact that all teams are going to work to match-up with the current champs. We need to get our talent up and folks need to contend someday with the fact that Bam being small is part of what has made us successful in certain matchups, not all on Spo

Beat me to it. Well put

[greg4012]

So it’s likely KAT/Gobert get a championship or the Celtics get one, IM FUXKED

Close to the darkest timeline. Minny getting a ring before Jimmy would be pain. Celtics getting a ring is hell. At least the Knicks didn't advance.

Go mavs?

[DayofMourning]

I think the age old formula always wins if done right. This small ball **** is a joke. A joke.

The Heat beat plenty of bigger teams in just the past few years. League always going to be about talent and match-ups.

‘The League is changing…’ is a red herring for the fact that all teams are going to work to match-up with the current champs. We need to get our talent up and folks need to contend someday with the fact that Bam being small is part of what has made us successful in certain matchups, not all on Spo

Beat me to it. Well put

We had Butler playing like a prime timer and guys hitting a lot of shots. Shooting lights out every series is unsustainable in my eyes. So what do you fall back on when everyone is shooting 30% from three? Rebounding and post scoring.

We beat a lot of teams and have had success with wings at every position, but if the greater goal is to win a chip, we havent seen that come to fruition.

[greg4012]

The Heat beat plenty of bigger teams in just the past few years. League always going to be about talent and match-ups.

‘The League is changing…’ is a red herring for the fact that all teams are going to work to match-up with the current champs. We need to get our talent up and folks need to contend someday with the fact that Bam being small is part of what has made us successful in certain matchups, not all on Spo

Beat me to it. Well put

We had Butler playing like a prime timer and guys hitting a lot of shots. Shooting lights out every series is unsustainable in my eyes. So what do you fall back on when everyone is shooting 30% from three? Rebounding and post scoring.

We beat a lot of teams and have had success with wings at every position, but if the greater goal is to win a chip, we havent seen that come to fruition.

If your team's superstar is not playing like a prime timer, then you ain't winning anything in the playoffs anyway. Miami didn't even shoot lights out vs Knicks last playoffs and Jimmy missed a game and was hobbled for half the series (and all of the rest of playoffs)

[DayofMourning]

Beat me to it. Well put

We had Butler playing like a prime timer and guys hitting a lot of shots. Shooting lights out every series is unsustainable in my eyes. So what do you fall back on when everyone is shooting 30% from three? Rebounding and post scoring.

We beat a lot of teams and have had success with wings at every position, but if the greater goal is to win a chip, we havent seen that come to fruition.

If your team's superstar is not playing like a prime timer, then you ain't winning anything in the playoffs anyway. Miami didn't even shoot lights out vs Knicks last playoffs and Jimmy missed a game and was hobbled for half the series (and all of the rest of playoffs)

I want the Heat to be great, not just real good. I dont look at the Knicks as a measuring stick.

And Butler being hobbled has been and will probably be even more of an issue moving forward. His absences (and others as well) really screwed us out of developing quality on court chemistry.

We continue to see all our guys develop injuries that keep them out of important games. Jaime comes in and almost immediately injures his groin. Does it again later in the year. Rozier gets traded here and now has a serious neck injury. Duncan has arthritis in his back now. Id say, if we taxed guys less with the super switching screen by being a bit more traditional defensively, we might make it past the finish line. I fear Bam is next.

[greg4012]

We had Butler playing like a prime timer and guys hitting a lot of shots. Shooting lights out every series is unsustainable in my eyes. So what do you fall back on when everyone is shooting 30% from three? Rebounding and post scoring.

We beat a lot of teams and have had success with wings at every position, but if the greater goal is to win a chip, we havent seen that come to fruition.

If your team's superstar is not playing like a prime timer, then you ain't winning anything in the playoffs anyway. Miami didn't even shoot lights out vs Knicks last playoffs and Jimmy missed a game and was hobbled for half the series (and all of the rest of playoffs)

I want the Heat to be great, not just real good. I dont look at the Knicks as a measuring stick.

And Butler being hobbled has been and will probably be even more of an issue moving forward. His absences (and others as well) really screwed us out of developing quality on court chemistry.

We continue to see all our guys develop injuries that keep them out of important games. Jaime comes in and almost immediately injures his groin. Does it again later in the year. Rozier gets traded here and now has a serious neck injury. Duncan has arthritis in his back now. Id say, if we taxed guys less with the super switching screen by being a bit more traditional defensively, we might make it past the finish line. I fear Bam is next.

We all want the Heat to be great. You know the Heat switched A LOT LESS this season?

Read on Twitter

Quite literally less than half as often as the prior season and more than 3x less than 21-22.

What are you attributing Jaime and Duncan's injuries to? According to lineup data, Jaime played 88% of his minutes at SG or SF this season. Duncan always exclusively plays SG and SF. Rozier played 100% of his Heat minutes at PG. Are they playing out of position?
Rozier's neck injury seems like a fluky mystery. I'm not even sure we can pinpoint when it happened. Anyone have more info there?

I'm just not seeing the connection you're trying to make. If anything our team slept walked through too much of the regular season and the opponent regularly had more urgency. This was not a Thibs' coached team going full playoff mode for 82 games.

I'm all for bolstering positional size across the board, prioritizing 2-way players, and looking into the training staff.

[Bishop45]

The Heat beat plenty of bigger teams in just the past few years. League always going to be about talent and match-ups.

‘The League is changing…’ is a red herring for the fact that all teams are going to work to match-up with the current champs. We need to get our talent up and folks need to contend someday with the fact that Bam being small is part of what has made us successful in certain matchups, not all on Spo

Beat me to it. Well put

We had Butler playing like a prime timer and guys hitting a lot of shots. Shooting lights out every series is unsustainable in my eyes. So what do you fall back on when everyone is shooting 30% from three? Rebounding and post scoring.

We beat a lot of teams and have had success with wings at every position, but if the greater goal is to win a chip, we havent seen that come to fruition.

Size is great, but talent and fit is all that matters to me. I'm not sure we'd benefit from going on a wild goose chase looking for a large front court and Caleb Martin or Herro are third options on offense.

Talent is most important venture for Heat to get back to winning and we should keep the main thing as the main thing

[DayofMourning]

I agree with almost everything you two are saying. We need more talent. Absolutely. We need more size. Size with talent. We need to stop being a top 5 injured team.

How do we get that as quick as possible? Thats what I want to know.