Around the NBA streets Vol. 5: ONE MORE TIME

[dshearn]

It was kind of a microcosm of his career wasn't it?

He's inconsistent, which is a bit of a concern, you can tell he plays hard though. I wouldn't say he's a shooter as much as I'd say he's a shot maker - not sure there's much of a difference in the way 3pts is 3pts, but he's not a pure shooter if you catch my drift.

He looks like he's lost some athleticism though. Didn't see him scoring in the paint or finishing like he did a couple years ago, most of his damage was coming from outside it felt.

Still - he's a capable two way player and would fit the 'culture' well. Coached by Tom Crean, and you know we like those Tom Crean guards.

I'd be concerned about a long term deal to him on big money, but I'd take the gamble on a 1yr trial run and make an assessment in 2021. If you managed to get the commitment from Giannis or another big time FA, re-sign him and let the good times commence.

No chance Tyler Herro is in the package though. None.

while your mind on the subject how do you think he compares to say chasing VanVleet?

I think Vic is a more realistic option. There seems to be (rightly) question marks from Indiana's FO on paying him the big dollars.

FVV is looking for that first big payday, and the Raptors are going to have to pony up big time as he's going to have a long list of suitors. The great thing about FVV is he's terrific on or off the ball, plus is a very good defender for a guy you wouldn't expect to be.

We could, in theory, offer a sizeable contract to FVV but it would probably;
- Ruin 2021 pipedreams
- Probably mean Gogi looks elsewhere as his role would be reduced
- Not sure on capability to bring back Jae or DJJ

It would mean going forward with a FVV/Jimmy/Bam core with Tyler still on the rookie scale for a few years. That's a very good core, but not sure it is a championship winning one.

In a vaccum I think right now FVV is the better player, but he's going to cost probably $10m a year more than Dipo going forward. Not sure the differential is worth that much.

Well lets hope for VO and keeping Dragic then. I remember Wade messing around with VO when he was courtside years ago, I really hope he wants to be on the Heat enough to make the money work out.

[IggieCC]

How do y'all feel bout Dipo now? Got better every game. Shoots the ball well. Good defense. We want this dude or no?

I'm sold due to lack of better alternatives. Jimmy and Dragic seem to be always banged up we could use him.

How do we get him again OP? Nunn Kelly wuuut?

If we can keep his price tag down, then he's a solid signing. Still need a top ten dude, but he enhances an already standout lineup.

I think you have to move Nunn, and probably the pick on draft night. That's not a lot to give up either. Maybe get Indys 2nd rounder (if they have one). Andre balances the books on salary.

I tried to mess around with ESPN trade machine the other day and I was kind of surprised how little moving pieces we have for a trade like this. We almost always have to include Iggy, and then Nunn, and other bunch of small contracts. Considering how much of a bringer of pain we have been to Indy over the last decade, it's hard to imagine that they are going to be willing to do a trade that makes us better and makes them mehhhh?

Come on OP get it together.

[Wiltside]

I'm sold due to lack of better alternatives. Jimmy and Dragic seem to be always banged up we could use him.

How do we get him again OP? Nunn Kelly wuuut?

If we can keep his price tag down, then he's a solid signing. Still need a top ten dude, but he enhances an already standout lineup.

I think you have to move Nunn, and probably the pick on draft night. That's not a lot to give up either. Maybe get Indys 2nd rounder (if they have one). Andre balances the books on salary.

I tried to mess around with ESPN trade machine the other day and I was kind of surprised how little moving pieces we have for a trade like this. We almost always have to include Iggy, and then Nunn, and other bunch of small contracts. Considering how much of a bringer of pain we have been to Indy over the last decade, it's hard to imagine that they are going to be willing to do a trade that makes us better and makes them mehhhh?

Come on OP get it together.

We got rid of all our expensive pieces that we wanted to deal (Hassan, JJ, Dion...woy...), so really the only contracts we have that are trade-able are Iggy and KO at this point. I guess that was the point in extending Iggy to some degree, but you'd have to imagine if he didn't want to play for MEM he probably isn't going to play for IND either.

Not sure exactly how S&T's work, but perhaps there's something there in a Nunn and DJJ for Dipo type deal? DJJ showed out in that bubble game, perhaps it peaked their interest.

[Wiltside]

Perhaps the acquisition of Oladipo would be a timing thing, not related to having to match salaries.

E.g. Once all our contracts are technically off the books that expire this offseason (Goran, UD, DJJ, Solomon Hill, Crowder, Leonard - I'm going to assume Kelly opts in) we'd have around $20m in available cap space.

We could then absorb Oladipo's salary of $21m by trading out Nunn (who earns around $1.4m)? Then go over the cap to re-sign Jae and Gogi given we'll have bird rights on both?

This would then give us Gogi, Jae and Dipo on big expiring 1yr deals that keep our war chest open for 2021's all in assault on the top end of the NBA FA market.

Perhaps someone well versed in the NBA cap rules can confirm or correct me here.

[IggieCC]

If we can keep his price tag down, then he's a solid signing. Still need a top ten dude, but he enhances an already standout lineup.

I think you have to move Nunn, and probably the pick on draft night. That's not a lot to give up either. Maybe get Indys 2nd rounder (if they have one). Andre balances the books on salary.

I tried to mess around with ESPN trade machine the other day and I was kind of surprised how little moving pieces we have for a trade like this. We almost always have to include Iggy, and then Nunn, and other bunch of small contracts. Considering how much of a bringer of pain we have been to Indy over the last decade, it's hard to imagine that they are going to be willing to do a trade that makes us better and makes them mehhhh?

Come on OP get it together.

We got rid of all our expensive pieces that we wanted to deal (Hassan, JJ, Dion...woy...), so really the only contracts we have that are trade-able are Iggy and KO at this point. I guess that was the point in extending Iggy to some degree, but you'd have to imagine if he didn't want to play for MEM he probably isn't going to play for IND either.

Not sure exactly how S&T's work, but perhaps there's something there in a Nunn and DJJ for Dipo type deal? DJJ showed out in that bubble game, perhaps it peaked their interest.

Kelly has that Hoosiers vibe that Indy might like, and yeah DJJ S&T is all we got?

I don't know man.. I'm not very optimistic about engineering a trade in our favor this off-szn. It'll be interesting to see how FA/trade market will shape up during this first ever pandemic NBA era mod Wilts

[Wiltside]

I tried to mess around with ESPN trade machine the other day and I was kind of surprised how little moving pieces we have for a trade like this. We almost always have to include Iggy, and then Nunn, and other bunch of small contracts. Considering how much of a bringer of pain we have been to Indy over the last decade, it's hard to imagine that they are going to be willing to do a trade that makes us better and makes them mehhhh?

Come on OP get it together.

We got rid of all our expensive pieces that we wanted to deal (Hassan, JJ, Dion...woy...), so really the only contracts we have that are trade-able are Iggy and KO at this point. I guess that was the point in extending Iggy to some degree, but you'd have to imagine if he didn't want to play for MEM he probably isn't going to play for IND either.

Not sure exactly how S&T's work, but perhaps there's something there in a Nunn and DJJ for Dipo type deal? DJJ showed out in that bubble game, perhaps it peaked their interest.

Kelly has that Hoosiers vibe that Indy might like, and yeah DJJ S&T is all we got?

I don't know man.. I'm not very optimistic about engineering a trade in our favor this off-szn. It'll be interesting to see how FA/trade market will shape up during this first ever pandemic NBA era mod Wilts

How's the weather on Bish Island, Iggs?

[IggieCC]

FVV will command near max, esp. from those bottom feeder teams with cap space.

Suns could be very dangerous with FVV Booker backcourt duo woy

[IggieCC]

We got rid of all our expensive pieces that we wanted to deal (Hassan, JJ, Dion...woy...), so really the only contracts we have that are trade-able are Iggy and KO at this point. I guess that was the point in extending Iggy to some degree, but you'd have to imagine if he didn't want to play for MEM he probably isn't going to play for IND either.

Not sure exactly how S&T's work, but perhaps there's something there in a Nunn and DJJ for Dipo type deal? DJJ showed out in that bubble game, perhaps it peaked their interest.

Kelly has that Hoosiers vibe that Indy might like, and yeah DJJ S&T is all we got?

I don't know man.. I'm not very optimistic about engineering a trade in our favor this off-szn. It'll be interesting to see how FA/trade market will shape up during this first ever pandemic NBA era mod Wilts

How's the weather on Bish Island, Iggs?

Hot and muggy wilts

[Wiltside]

FVV will command near max, esp. from those bottom feeder teams with cap space.

Suns could be very dangerous with FVV Booker backcourt duo woy

He's gonna get some big offers.

Suns would be a great fit - he'd get them to the playoffs and be a good piece to build with. Booker and FVV one of the better backcourts going round.

A team like PHX would pay him a max ($28.75m per based on years of service), if they can generate enough cap space. I'd expect 4 years / $115m or thereabouts.

Knicks would be another to watch. They may like to think they can get bigger fish, but i'm not convinced.

Hawks could potentially add him and go that duel PG backcourt vibe too. They have plenty of cash to throw at someone.

[GopherIt!]

Would draft Wiseman. Folks getting carried away with all this new fangled, shoot the ball from half court silliness. Somebody has to rebound and play defense. JW also got that good form on his jumper. Long as he'll too. Wiseman...easy.

I agree DoM. Folks getting carried away alright. Got mods going rogue quoting Chad Kroger lyrics. smdh

I went to the draft forum to see what the consensus was and left thinking that is the worst bunch of posters on this site. The absolute bottom of the barrel.

Draft/GB/Trade Forums are chit DoM. Not worth it. Ghost of Tsherkin still lingers. Makes Goodboy cry in his sleep.

Honestly DoM, most of this site is trash outside of Heat/Raps forum, GOTB and maybe a few others.

What you really ought to do is make yourself a bag of popcorn and go read the Lakers & Saltics boards after they get knocked out of the playoffs. Will leave u in tears. iirc, Rapaz will pay a visit to the leprechauns after a season ending defeat. quite entertaining.

[HeatFanLifer]

I agree DoM. Folks getting carried away alright. Got mods going rogue quoting Chad Kroger lyrics. smdh

I went to the draft forum to see what the consensus was and left thinking that is the worst bunch of posters on this site. The absolute bottom of the barrel.

Draft/GB/Trade Forums are chit DoM. Not worth it. Ghost of Tsherkin still lingers. Makes Goodboy cry in his sleep.

Honestly DoM, most of this site is trash outside of Heat/Raps forum, GOTB and maybe a few others.

What you really ought to do is make yourself a bag of popcorn and go read the Lakers & Saltics boards after they get knocked out of the playoffs. Will leave u in tears. iirc, Rapaz will pay a visit to the leprechauns after a season ending defeat. quite entertaining.

To be far, goodboy cries about everything in his sleep. Including his losses to Quiz in NBA2k14

[dean456]

Perhaps the acquisition of Oladipo would be a timing thing, not related to having to match salaries.

E.g. Once all our contracts are technically off the books that expire this offseason (Goran, UD, DJJ, Solomon Hill, Crowder, Leonard - I'm going to assume Kelly opts in) we'd have around $20m in available cap space.

We could then absorb Oladipo's salary of $21m by trading out Nunn (who earns around $1.4m)? Then go over the cap to re-sign Jae and Gogi given we'll have bird rights on both?

This would then give us Gogi, Jae and Dipo on big expiring 1yr deals that keep our war chest open for 2021's all in assault on the top end of the NBA FA market.

Perhaps someone well versed in the NBA cap rules can confirm or correct me here.

So it doesn't really work like that for us. If we renounce the bird rights of all those players you mentioned and Kelly opted in then we'd have roughly $28.5mil cap room but then we couldn't go over the cap to resign those players.

The problem we face is cap holds count against our cap if we keep players bird rights. Without their bird rights we would have to use our available cap space to re-sign them.

2020 Cap holds.
Dragic - 28.8mil
Leonard - 16.9mil
Crowder - 14.8mil
DJJr - 1.7mil

So the problem we have is that if Olynyk stays with the team and we plan to keep Dragic and Crowder then we don't really have any cap room to work with. If we let Olynyk walk and give Dragic a 1yr 13mil deal and Crowder a MLE 1 year deal we can have roughly 18.8mil cap space. Then we could also keep DJJr over the cap.

[Mos_Heat]

Clippers, just like Lakers with AD, gave up their future for PG13. I don't know what they can do to make the team any better. They can't probably resign guys like Morris and Reggie Jackson. Lou will be 34 and he's a tiny man. Pat Bev doesn't seem like he can stay healthy. Who wants PG for 30 mil per year in pandemic? They probably have no choice but to give it another go and that's hardly the end of the world as long as Kawhi

Let's not go crazy here, any team in the league would take PG in 2 seconds.

They got some room to operate. Shamet and Lou on a good value contracts, Gruder as a nice filler, maybe S'n'T Harrell for a different piece. In theory they can bundle a package for Lowry or someone like that

[Mos_Heat]

Trust the process I keep telling you guys

Agreed

[Mos_Heat]

Harden now has two moves - straight line drive to the left side and between the leg dribble which goes to a step back 3. Was much more interesting as a player 3 years ago

[Wiltside]

Perhaps the acquisition of Oladipo would be a timing thing, not related to having to match salaries.

E.g. Once all our contracts are technically off the books that expire this offseason (Goran, UD, DJJ, Solomon Hill, Crowder, Leonard - I'm going to assume Kelly opts in) we'd have around $20m in available cap space.

We could then absorb Oladipo's salary of $21m by trading out Nunn (who earns around $1.4m)? Then go over the cap to re-sign Jae and Gogi given we'll have bird rights on both?

This would then give us Gogi, Jae and Dipo on big expiring 1yr deals that keep our war chest open for 2021's all in assault on the top end of the NBA FA market.

Perhaps someone well versed in the NBA cap rules can confirm or correct me here.

So it doesn't really work like that for us. If we renounce the bird rights of all those players you mentioned and Kelly opted in then we'd have roughly $28.5mil cap room but then we couldn't go over the cap to resign those players.

The problem we face is cap holds count against our cap if we keep players bird rights. Without their bird rights we would have to use our available cap space to re-sign them.

2020 Cap holds.
Dragic - 28.8mil
Leonard - 16.9mil
Crowder - 14.8mil
DJJr - 1.7mil

So the problem we have is that if Olynyk stays with the team and we plan to keep Dragic and Crowder then we don't really have any cap room to work with. If we let Olynyk walk and give Dragic a 1yr 13mil deal and Crowder a MLE 1 year deal we can have roughly 18.8mil cap space. Then we could also keep DJJr over the cap.

Knew it was too good to be true. Forgot about the damn cap holds. Dragic’s will be huge too.

Fat Andy about to get creative though. Time to order in, he ain’t leaving that desk for a long time.

[twix2500]

How do y'all feel bout Dipo now? Got better every game. Shoots the ball well. Good defense. We want this dude or no?

For me it's about him getting his quickness and explosion back. I expected for him to have to play a full year before we may see his athleticism return.

[dean456]

Apparently the Oladipo situation is more him having interest in us more than us having interest in him. His cap numbers don't help us at all if we acquire him prior to 2021. Apparently people in Jimmy's circles have said he's interested in Lowry and Holiday and in Bam's circles he wants us to target Donovan Mitchell.

To get max cap space we'd have a roster of,
Herro
Oladipo
Butler/Robinson
Okpala
Bam/Silva

And we'd only have $22mil to fill out the roster.

Or we wait until 2021 free agency and have,
Herro/Nunn
Butler/
Robinson/2020 FRP
Okpala/
Bam/Silva

Plus $49.6mil in cap space to use on free agents which we could try to split between two upper level FA's. Or give someone like Giannis a max and add another solid rotation piece at roughly $13.1mil and maybe someone with the 5.4mil room exception likely someone like Dragic.

[DayofMourning]

Apparently the Oladipo situation is more him having interest in us more than us having interest in him. His cap numbers don't help us at all if we acquire him prior to 2021. Apparently people in Jimmy's circles have said he's interested in Lowry and Holiday and in Bam's circles he wants us to target Donovan Mitchell.

To get max cap space we'd have a roster of,
Herro
Oladipo
Butler/Robinson
Okpala
Bam/Silva

And we'd only have $22mil to fill out the roster.

Or we wait until 2021 free agency and have,
Herro/Nunn
Butler/
Robinson/2020 FRP
Okpala/
Bam/Silva

Plus $49.6mil in cap space to use on free agents which we could try to split between two upper level FA's. Or give someone like Giannis a max and add another solid rotation piece at roughly $13.1mil and maybe someone with the 5.4mil room exception likely someone like Dragic.

You got any links for the speculation, Dean?

Regardless, this year has been great for us in reference to potential free agents and trade targets. We are in the 2nd round, and if we knock off the Bucks.....man oh man, all eyes will be on us. We will be turning guys away, lol.

[dean456]

Apparently the Oladipo situation is more him having interest in us more than us having interest in him. His cap numbers don't help us at all if we acquire him prior to 2021. Apparently people in Jimmy's circles have said he's interested in Lowry and Holiday and in Bam's circles he wants us to target Donovan Mitchell.

To get max cap space we'd have a roster of,
Herro
Oladipo
Butler/Robinson
Okpala
Bam/Silva

And we'd only have $22mil to fill out the roster.

Or we wait until 2021 free agency and have,
Herro/Nunn
Butler/
Robinson/2020 FRP
Okpala/
Bam/Silva

Plus $49.6mil in cap space to use on free agents which we could try to split between two upper level FA's. Or give someone like Giannis a max and add another solid rotation piece at roughly $13.1mil and maybe someone with the 5.4mil room exception likely someone like Dragic.

You got any links for the speculation, Dean?

Regardless, this year has been great for us in reference to potential free agents and trade targets. We are in the 2nd round, and if we knock off the Bucks.....man oh man, all eyes will be on us. We will be turning guys away, lol.

It's from the 5onthefloor podcast

https://fivereasons.podbean.com/e/miami-heat-jorge-sedano-still-rather-be-the-sixers/

They speak about it in between 37:45-45:00 mark.

He mentions Jimmy's people all mentioning Lowry as the guy Jimmy likes, they also said he has a fondness for Holiday. Apparently Jimmy thinks Mitchell doesn't do enough other than score. Ethan and Jorge Sedano both confirm that the Oladipo stuff is more coming from Oladipo's camp than coming from the Heat. Then Ethan and Greg Sylvander both say Bam's the one that likes Mitchell.