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Post#1721 » by batterybro42 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:51 pm

Pokuokic wrote:Couldn't the Heat hypothetical go all in this season and than trade away Herro/whoever they traded for/Duncan (or even Jimmy if they blow it up) for picks/way less salary in return before the start of next season? Therefore trading expiring's for non expiring's would not be that bad? Realistically this is probably Jimmy's last year as a #1/#1.5 option most likely with age/injuries.


Jimmy does not have a game that is based on athleticism, sure maybe at one time, but he's somewhat evolved. I expect a decline in terms of everyday production but I do not see him falling off a cliff within his current contract. You just can't expect him to carry you through a regular season and be ready for the playoffs.

I think we have a current window, and then a post Jimmy window which we can already see forming. That to me is what makes moves tough for this roster, potentially compromising the window that exists after Jimmy is done. I would not touch Bam, Herro, Jamie, or Jovic. That is a group of guys that if you allow them to continue to grow together in this franchise can hold us down for a decade.
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Post#1722 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:08 pm

Heat Final Form :

Bam
Jovic
Jimmy
JJJ
Herro

Supersized team with elite length, great passing, great getting to the line, good shooting, good enough defense.
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Post#1723 » by carnageta » Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:22 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:Heat Final Form :

Bam
Jovic
Jimmy
JJJ
Herro

Supersized team with elite length, great passing, great getting to the line, good shooting, good enough defense.


Great starting 5 that matches up well against Milwaukee and Boston. And then you throw in Highsmith, Caleb, JRich, KLove, Lowry, Robinson, etc. and you have a solid 10-11 man rotation.
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Post#1724 » by twix2500 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:17 pm

Nikola Jovic production the past 4 games he has started.

9.8 pts, 7.8 fga, 44 3p%, 6.3 rbs, 3.0 ast, 1 stl, 0.8 blk

Jovic Units

Lowry, Herro, Jaquez, Jovic, Bam
34 mins, 101.4 OffRtg, 100.0 DefRtg, +1.4 Net

Herro, Jaquez, Jovic, Highsmith, Bam
19 mins, 132.6 OffRtg, 102.3 DefRtg, +30.3 Net

Herro, Robinson, Jaquez Jaquez, Jovic, Bam
7 mins, 186.7 OffRtg, 100.0 DefRtg, +86.7 Net

Richardson, Robinson, Jaquez, Jovic, Bam
7 mins, 93.3 OffRtg, 133.3 DefRtg, -40.0 Net

Lowry, Herro, Jaquez, Jovic, Love
6 mins, 142.9 OffRtg, 92.3 DefRtg, +50.5 Net

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Post#1725 » by MiamiSun » Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:19 pm

carnageta wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:Heat Final Form :

Bam
Jovic
Jimmy
JJJ
Herro

Supersized team with elite length, great passing, great getting to the line, good shooting, good enough defense.


Great starting 5 that matches up well against Milwaukee and Boston. And then you throw in Highsmith, Caleb, JRich, KLove, Lowry, Robinson, etc. and you have a solid 10-11 man rotation.



Who gets left out in the playoffs when Spo goes to 8 man rotation?
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Post#1726 » by BBallFreak » Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:34 pm

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RexBoyWonder wrote:Heat Final Form :

Bam
Jovic
Jimmy
JJJ
Herro

Supersized team with elite length, great passing, great getting to the line, good shooting, good enough defense.


Great starting 5 that matches up well against Milwaukee and Boston. And then you throw in Highsmith, Caleb, JRich, KLove, Lowry, Robinson, etc. and you have a solid 10-11 man rotation.



Who gets left out in the playoffs when Spo goes to 8 man rotation?

That gets determined as the season goes on, and sometimes by matchups. One thing is clear though, Jovic has a future with this team and should pair next to Bam. I'm Okay with that starting lineup, but I would definitely prefer a traditional point guard in the lineup. Looking at the bench though, I think Caleb, Love, and Robinson are locks with the way they're playing, and then one of J-Rich or Lowry. I think Highsmith and the other guard get used situationally, but I wouldn't be shocked if we suffered an injury or two and they get forced into regular action.
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Post#1728 » by AirP. » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:04 pm

If anyone thought about Smart with Memphis probably done this year, don't.
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Post#1730 » by batterybro42 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:08 pm

twix2500 wrote:Nikola Jovic production the past 4 games he has started.

9.8 pts, 7.8 fga, 44 3p%, 6.3 rbs, 3.0 ast, 1 stl, 0.8 blk

Jovic Units

Lowry, Herro, Jaquez, Jovic, Bam
34 mins, 101.4 OffRtg, 100.0 DefRtg, +1.4 Net

Herro, Jaquez, Jovic, Highsmith, Bam
19 mins, 132.6 OffRtg, 102.3 DefRtg, +30.3 Net

Herro, Robinson, Jaquez Jaquez, Jovic, Bam
7 mins, 186.7 OffRtg, 100.0 DefRtg, +86.7 Net

Richardson, Robinson, Jaquez, Jovic, Bam
7 mins, 93.3 OffRtg, 133.3 DefRtg, -40.0 Net

Lowry, Herro, Jaquez, Jovic, Love
6 mins, 142.9 OffRtg, 92.3 DefRtg, +50.5 Net

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Does Jovic look out of shape to anybody else? Need to keep playing him and continue to work on his conditioning. I get the feeling that he has WAY more to his game than what we have seen so far. It would be really nice to be able to play him consistently the rest of this year in the hopes that when we get to the playoffs he's ready to be a guy for us. To me Miami just needs a top 6 seed in the East the seeding beyond not being in the play in really does not concern me. We are a different team in a 7 game series.
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Post#1731 » by AirP. » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:09 pm

Miami has left rival teams with the impression that the reigning Eastern Conference champions are looking for ball-handling reinforcements. The Heat are another suitor to keep an eye on for Murray, although there hasn’t been anything substantive beyond initial talks between Atlanta and Miami at this point, sources said.

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Post#1732 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:14 pm

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Post#1733 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:29 pm

Dejounte would be a huge pickup. Long 3 and D PG who’s being neutered in Atlanta
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Post#1734 » by DBurks2818 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:48 pm

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DBurks2818 wrote:I agree with MWP. I think there will be enough competition for Jones that a 1st will be required, though not the 2024 pick necessarily.

We can’t trade the 2024 pick. Will have to be 2028. I’m not opposed what so ever to deal a top 20 protected first for the chance of having Jones here and locking him up to an extension as our PG of the future. We won’t be going into next year trying to bargain bin patchwork the PG spot and can draft a young PG to bridge with Jones.


I think the 2024 pick can be traded via an amended agreement with OKC.

Also, apparently Heat own their own 2nd rounder this year too? If it is between 31-50 at least. Is this accurate?

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Post#1735 » by twix2500 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:49 pm

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Get Wiggins

PG: Butler
SG: Herro
SF: Jaquez
PF: Wiggins
Ce: Adebayo
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Get Wiggins

PG: Butler
SG: Herro
SF: Jaquez
PF: Wiggins
Ce: Adebayo


Are you sure? He's having a terribly down year and has multiple seasons left on his deal. Wouldn't an actual PF be a better get?
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Post#1737 » by twix2500 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:01 pm

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Get Wiggins

PG: Butler
SG: Herro
SF: Jaquez
PF: Wiggins
Ce: Adebayo


Are you sure? He's having a terribly down year and has multiple seasons left on his deal. Wouldn't an actual PF be a better get?


Buy low, he is the prototype Power forward in Spo system. 6'8 can stretch slash, defend multiple positions and can press. And has proven himself on the biggest stage
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Get Wiggins

PG: Butler
SG: Herro
SF: Jaquez
PF: Wiggins
Ce: Adebayo

I get what you're staying but this may not be a normal slump, if you remember, he missed a bunch of games last year because of personal reasons and now he's just not playing well which may come from those personal issues although I think Miami's environment could help him separate the off-court issues if that's the main problem.

Also... Wiggins has no problem with Butler, in fact I think they're pretty friendly, now Wiggins' brother, that's a different story and of course Towns and Butler hate each other.
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Post#1739 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:05 pm

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DBurks2818 wrote:I agree with MWP. I think there will be enough competition for Jones that a 1st will be required, though not the 2024 pick necessarily.

We can’t trade the 2024 pick. Will have to be 2028. I’m not opposed what so ever to deal a top 20 protected first for the chance of having Jones here and locking him up to an extension as our PG of the future. We won’t be going into next year trying to bargain bin patchwork the PG spot and can draft a young PG to bridge with Jones.


I think the 2024 pick can be traded via an amended agreement with OKC.

Also, apparently Heat own their own 2nd rounder this year too? If it is between 31-50 at least. Is this accurate?

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team

We only own a 2026 2nd rounder from LAL. I’m assuming that could be used to coax OKC into lifting protections on 2025 and taking the 2026 pick unprotected. This will allow us to trade 2024,2028, and 2030
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Post#1740 » by Flash4thewin » Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:06 pm

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Get Wiggins

PG: Butler
SG: Herro
SF: Jaquez
PF: Wiggins
Ce: Adebayo


For fiscal reasons, no way that would ever happen. Can you imagine the tax bill with that team. Butler on his max, Herro with his 25 mil, Wiggins new contract, Bam with his Super Max extension around the corner.

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