OFFSEASON THREAD, VOL. REALLY HOT

miamiballer · Post #1741 » by **miamiballer** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:02 pm

If we stand pat don’t see how the heat can justify that…so we are supposed to believe that subbing Haywoodhighsmith minutes for pj is the difference?

Jfh20 · Post #1742 » by **Jfh20** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:04 pm

Heat3 wrote:
Jfh20 wrote:
Heat3 wrote:A conference finals and finals in 3 seasons is not wasting lol.

how so? did any of those seasons end in titles? why should we proud of just making an ECF, or making a Finals? wrong kinda of mentality to have imo.

You are crazy if you think anything less than a three peat is failure. Completely unrealistic expectations for any team in history.

the heats goal is to win a title, not conference finals. thats the expectation of the organization, not just mines. well just have to agree to disasgree and leave it there.

Post #1743 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:09 pm

Duncan Robinson for Kelly Olynk trade could be an option for us. Pistons have an overload of bigs and could use a specialist shooter at the 2/3. KO has chemistry with Bam. Also the one team in the NBA that has someone in the organization that has a soft spot for Duncan is Duncan’s old college coach with Michigan Jim Beilein.

miamiballer · Post #1744 » by **miamiballer** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:13 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Duncan Robinson for Kelly Olynk trade could be an option for us. Pistons have an overload of bigs and could use a specialist shooter at the 2/3. KO has chemistry with Bam. Also the one team in the NBA that has someone in the organization that has a soft spot for Duncan is Duncan’s old college coach with Michigan Jim Beilein.

Pretty fair deal and it does consolidate our team better but yeah doesn’t move the needle but is a start I guess

Kobewade11 · Post #1745 » by **Kobewade11** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:15 pm

miamiballer wrote:If we stand pat don’t see how the heat can justify that…so we are supposed to believe that subbing Haywoodhighsmith minutes for pj is the difference?

They know they cant sell the fanbase on some dude named Haywood Highsmith starting. They’re going to do something, its just a matter of when and what.

greg4012 · Post #1746 » by **greg4012** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:18 pm

zoisgod wrote:that bam contract is why we are handcuffed.

You def seem to be handcuffed in some capacity

Post #1747 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:20 pm

miamiballer wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Duncan Robinson for Kelly Olynk trade could be an option for us. Pistons have an overload of bigs and could use a specialist shooter at the 2/3. KO has chemistry with Bam. Also the one team in the NBA that has someone in the organization that has a soft spot for Duncan is Duncan’s old college coach with Michigan Jim Beilein.

Pretty fair deal and it does consolidate our team better but yeah doesn’t move the needle but is a start I guess

I think i’ve studied basically every team depth chart and financials and this is the best fit I can come up with for Duncan and also it making sense for us. Beilein being in Detroit in control of player development is the icing.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1748 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:22 pm

Suns fan here would you do Crowder for Martin?

miamiballer · Post #1749 » by **miamiballer** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:24 pm

So let’s we strike out on Durant and Kyrie and Mitchell stays (this is what I expect to happen)

We trade Robinson and 2nd for Olynyk
Resign Caleb Martin to a bigger deal or tj warren
Maybe resign kieff for the min

Bam dedmon yurt
Olynk/caleb/kief
Jimmy/strus
Herro/dipo
Lowry/gabe

A nice team, don’t think championship worthy unless everything goes our way and luck but at least we’ll have herro picks and other contracts to move at the trade deadline for a lillard, mitchell, Beal if they become available

Again not ideal but this might be the best we can do for now

miamiballer · Post #1750 » by **miamiballer** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:25 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Suns fan here would you do Crowder for Martin?

Yup

Post #1751 » by **DayofMourning** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:25 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:For Lowry, sure Kyrie is worth the gamble.

For Herro, no thanks.

Kyrie might be better now but considering age, character, salary and just him being unbearable - I'd pass.

And it feels like that's where it is now. Herro wouldn't need to be included. So you trade Lowry and draft compensation for Kyrie. If he goes AWOL then all you've lost for him is a retired PG and picks you were going to trade anyway. If that's all it takes then it's an easy choice for me.

miamiballer · Post #1752 » by **miamiballer** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:29 pm

DayofMourning wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:For Lowry, sure Kyrie is worth the gamble.

For Herro, no thanks.

Kyrie might be better now but considering age, character, salary and just him being unbearable - I'd pass.

And it feels like that's where it is now. Herro wouldn't need to be included. So you trade Lowry and draft compensation for Kyrie. If he goes AWOL then all you've lost for him is a retired PG and picks you were going to trade anyway. If that's all it takes then it's an easy choice for me.

Here’s the issue, Lowry has 2 years left on his deal and Westbrook 1…so for Brooklyn to want to take lowers deal I’m sure they’ll ask for herro

And to be honest at this point I’m not so sure I’m not opposed, remember heroes gonna want a big deal and Kyrie IF his head is on right and wants to be here long term is an elite player

miamiballer · Post #1753 » by **miamiballer** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:32 pm

Ok guys I’m just gonna combine everything here and tell me what you think, I think all these trades are realistic and might be the best we can do when you consider I doubt we can get Durant and ainge is gonna prob keep Mitchell or hold out for some insane ransom

1. Trade Duncan and a 2nd for Olynyk
2. Sign and trade Caleb Martin to suns for crowder
3. Trade Lowry, herro and a future 1 for Kyrie and then negotiate extension for Kyrie

Bam
Crowder/olynyk
Jimmy/strus
Strus/dipo
Kyrie/gabe

Very balanced team with upside

Kobewade11 · Post #1754 » by **Kobewade11** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:44 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Suns fan here would you do Crowder for Martin?

Not interested in a Crowder reunion personally.

Kobewade11 · Post #1755 » by **Kobewade11** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:47 pm

miamiballer wrote:Ok guys I’m just gonna combine everything here and tell me what you think, I think all these trades are realistic and might be the best we can do when you consider I doubt we can get Durant and ainge is gonna prob keep Mitchell or hold out for some insane ransom

1. Trade Duncan and a 2nd for Olynyk
2. Sign and trade Caleb Martin to suns for crowder
3. Trade Lowry, herro and a future 1 for Kyrie and then negotiate extension for Kyrie

Bam
Crowder/olynyk
Jimmy/strus
Strus/dipo
Kyrie/gabe

Very balanced team with upside

From what was reported Herro is off limits in a Kyrie deal. Tbh there really isnt a market for Kyrie besides LA so no reason to give up our best young asset. I think that deal would look something like Lowry to a third team, asset from third team + one of our firsts to Brooklyn for Kyrie. I’d do it just to stick it to Cabron

Post #1756 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:49 pm

DayofMourning wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:For Lowry, sure Kyrie is worth the gamble.

For Herro, no thanks.

Kyrie might be better now but considering age, character, salary and just him being unbearable - I'd pass.

And it feels like that's where it is now. Herro wouldn't need to be included. So you trade Lowry and draft compensation for Kyrie. If he goes AWOL then all you've lost for him is a retired PG and picks you were going to trade anyway. If that's all it takes then it's an easy choice for me.

Lowry is not an expiring contract. Westbrook is

Post #1757 » by **BFRESH44** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:50 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Suns fan here would you do Crowder for Martin?

Caleb Martin is a non bird free agent, and can’t be used in a sign and trade.

Post #1758 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:51 pm

Suns just signed Okogie and a S&T of Martin for Crowder is too complicated to bother.

marson · Post #1759 » by **marson** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:58 pm

mygodd I ain't gonna stomach another brick building by Kelly O here lol

Flash4thewin · Post #1760 » by **Flash4thewin** » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:59 pm

I wish people would stop saying, well we can trade trash player X (screw it, Lowry and Duncan) to some magical third party team to make trades work. People dont want our trash unless it comes with compensation. Lowry next year becomes an expiring, not this year.