Off-Season Volume 7: Hello Darkness my only friend

[balla345]

Still mindblowing we were one 3pt shot from butler/or struss take away 3pointer from NBA finals. Yet we dont have good enough assets for a trade lol.

[wadenation305]

Still mindblowing we were one 3pt shot from butler/or struss take away 3pointer from NBA finals. Yet we dont have good enough assets for a trade lol.

Yea I always find it funny how people that didn't even make it anywhere near as far as us in the playoffs always say we have nothing of value. I guess it's "the only reason why they seem good is because of the heat organization's ability to maximize talent" thus they only have value on our team because we are the only ones competent enough to squeeze that type of production out of people. Would explain why everyone hates us so much. They are always jealous.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Still mindblowing we were one 3pt shot from butler/or struss take away 3pointer from NBA finals. Yet we dont have good enough assets for a trade lol.

The Heat system and culture knows how to get the most out of it’s talent. Herro, Bam, Butler hold the most value in trade league wide. The rest of our players are undrafted finds that we have gotten the most out of and are more valuable to us then the rest of the league. Sometimes hard work, culture, and chemistry will beat the better more talented asset filled team. In the case of Lowry he’s an aging vet making a ton of money. You could trade him but in most cases his value is going to be more important to us then what will come back.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Poor Yurt putting in all this work only for Spo to give him like 12 mpg in 20 games this upcoming season

[AirP.]

Will this be the 2nd offseason since acquiring Butler that the team had great success yet the FO actively degrades the roster all in the name of chasing a top player without offering a fair package for them, mostly relying on leverage. I believe it is and it really wouldn't surprise me if part of the reason they were doing this was to have an excuse to really do nothing this offseason AND stay under the tax.

It's pretty simple to me about Miami's bad half-court offense in the playoffs.
1. Lowry was hurt or out. He was running the offense so losing him was huge, both in quality and how the offense was running through him.
2. 40%(2 players) of the starting lineup weren't really looking for their own shot most of the games unless it was Tucker with an open corner 3 or Bam rim running or being pushed enough to finally be a real offensive option for a game here and there.

I have a really strong feeling Martin was paid to be the starting 4 but there's some good news with that, he's way more offensively diverse then Tucker. Defensively, Miami is missing a great defender to let Butler roam for steals and deflections, Martin can handle some of those assignments but Butler's going to have to defend the better players more often which will wear out Miami's top offensive option. Replacing Strus with Herro only stresses Butler having to defend the best defender more often with Tucker gone, moving Oladipo to Strus' starting spot gives Miami another very good defender to allow Butler to roam more again and if Martin is doing good enough defending, you now will have Butler and Oladipo roaming for steals and deflections. It's really possible that the starting 5 will be a better, potentially much better offensive half court team and the defense might not take a sizable hit. Don't get me wrong, I'd still prefer moving Robinson with assets for a starting 4 but even if that doesn't happen Miami "may" be a better team next year with Herro, Strus and Vincent getting valuable experience and another offseason plus the addition of a healthy and ready to play Oladipo.

If the roster doesn't change, I expect Yurtseven to be the backup center with Dedmon regulated to 3rd string center with some spot starts with Bam is out. Playing Dedmon every game will wear him down where he's at in his career, spot starts/3rd string will allow him to be fresh and play his best basketball when called on.

Also, of course Miami could get better moving someone(most likely Robinson) and assets for a starting PF but they could be better without doing that by losing Tucker and gaining a healthy Oladipo with some more experienced players now in Herro, Strus and Vincent, plus the addition of Yurtseven to the 2nd team.

I still hope for Rui, I think he'd be a fantastic 4 in Spoelstra's offense.

[Kobewade11]

Rant about the FO’s shortcomings and close it with a push for a guy thats done nothing in the league. Make it make sense

[CanesHeatFins]

The nets are gonna run it back and its gonna back fire in their face. Kyrie is gone as soon as the season is over and he's not even gonna give them a sign an trade. He won't even let them get a single pick for him. Ben Simmons is still Ben Simmons, unless he magically learns how to shoot and have the balls to shoot that situation is not gonna change. They'll have KD for show, his heart is not gonna be in the team and will probably request a trade once more once the season is over.

If the heat truly have that Collins trade lined up, I'd go get Collins and that other wing right the phuck now before something stupid happens and the trade is not available anymore.

The Collins trade is another pipe dream. Sacramento tried offering Barnes but the Hawks also wanted the 4th pick and those talks died. As i mentioned earlier Collins has been hanging with Murray and Young all summer so zero indications that the Hawks are desperate to trade him.

As for BK wether it works out or not is up for debate. Looks like Irving and BK management are in a good place and now Durant is hanging in the same room as Simmons so it looks like slowly but surely they are trying to hash things out. I think it’s just time for us to move on much like the Suns did and now the Lakers moving on from Irving.

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Nvm idk how to post gifs on here XD

I feel ya. I wasted about an hour trying to figure it out. Figured it out for the 1st time about time about 4 pages back. Now I can truly be one of the fellas

Spoiler:

[MettaWorldPanda]

Duncan and 2023 top 20 protected pick to the Pistons for KO and Isaiah Livers.

Pistons could use a wing shooter like Duncan to take the pressure off all the young players on the squad. Move also opens up minutes at the 4 for Bey in small ball lineups. Pistons are loaded at Center with Stewart, Duren, and Noel. Also keep in mind and I have mentioned this plenty in the past Duncan has an ally in his former college coach John Beilein who is head of player development with the Pistons. We get to reunite with KO who knows our system well and most importantly Spo trust him to play with Bam to give us optimal spacing.

He may even be better this go around having Kyle Lowry to get him the ball in even better spots. Isaiah Livers is a nice prospect who has a three point shot with a 6'7 230 frame. The move gets us out from Duncan's long term contract but also gets us a few million away from the tax so we can sign an extra player either now or when someone comes free at the deadline. It also puts the Heat in a position to have Highsmith prove himself or get cut so they can sign another player. His contract only becomes fully guaranteed if he's still on the team by 1/10/23.

[IggieCC]

Soooo... hows about that Millsap signing?

Would put us into the tax after UD signing. Ain’t no way Micky paying tax on Millsap

Damn op not even gonna deliver millsap

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Amazing breathable NEW Duncan Robinson >>> corpse of Paul Millsap


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Duncan Robinson >>>> entire WNBA

[MettaWorldPanda]

Would put us into the tax after UD signing. Ain’t no way Micky paying tax on Millsap

Damn op not even gonna deliver millsap

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Amazing breathable NEW Duncan Robinson >>> corpse of Paul Millsap


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Duncan Robinson >>>> entire WNBA

Duncan can reunite with McGriddle in Detroit. This is a perfect landing spot for Duncan. Duncan and McGruder can be tokened as the "breathe right bros"

[AirP.]

Rant about the FO’s shortcomings and close it with a push for a guy thats done nothing in the league. Make it make sense

I didn't say he'd score a bunch, but when Dedmon is the only other center on the roster, it seems to make sense to have the much younger guy who seems to have some skills in rebounding and offense as the backup now that he's had a year with the team to know the plays better, but make your assumptions that I think he's an all-star in the making when that isn't true. He's a standard sized center who's young, has some mobility and offensive ability so he'll better utilize all the space created by the outside shooters then Dedmon would.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Omer should be always be on the floor with Lowry to get him easy shots and be a major part for when Spo wants to go small with the rest of the lineup. Just have him stay parked down low to deter shots with his size and hunt boards and put backs. Occasional step out 3. Caleb also played well at the 4 last year when Omer was at Center.

[Kobewade11]

I didn't say he'd score a bunch, but when Dedmon is the only other center on the roster, it seems to make sense to have the much younger guy who seems to have some skills in rebounding and offense as the backup now that he's had a year with the team to know the plays better, but make your assumptions that I think he's an all-star in the making when that isn't true. He's a standard sized center who's young, has some mobility and offensive ability so he'll better utilize all the space created by the outside shooters then Dedmon would.

Talking about Rui, not Omer

[AirP.]

I didn't say he'd score a bunch, but when Dedmon is the only other center on the roster, it seems to make sense to have the much younger guy who seems to have some skills in rebounding and offense as the backup now that he's had a year with the team to know the plays better, but make your assumptions that I think he's an all-star in the making when that isn't true. He's a standard sized center who's young, has some mobility and offensive ability so he'll better utilize all the space created by the outside shooters then Dedmon would.

Talking about Rui, not Omer

Ah, that's more valid but that's just my opinion based off what I've seen him play and expecting you can get him pretty cheap because of his history in Washington and his mental issues. I think he needs a new start, they've had to plan their future without him because of his mental issues and also they now have Porzingis. I do admit I like his high release point of his jumper which allows him the ability to get his shot to get off in tighter coverage. Yes, he'd be a risk but I like the risk on what it may cost to get him.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

I didn't say he'd score a bunch, but when Dedmon is the only other center on the roster, it seems to make sense to have the much younger guy who seems to have some skills in rebounding and offense as the backup now that he's had a year with the team to know the plays better, but make your assumptions that I think he's an all-star in the making when that isn't true. He's a standard sized center who's young, has some mobility and offensive ability so he'll better utilize all the space created by the outside shooters then Dedmon would.

Talking about Rui, not Omer

Ah, that's more valid but that's just my opinion based off what I've seen him play and expecting you can get him pretty cheap because of his history in Washington and his mental issues. I think he needs a new start, they've had to plan their future without him because of his mental issues and also they now have Porzingis. I do admit I like his high release point of his jumper which allows him the ability to get his shot to get off in tighter coverage. Yes, he'd be a risk but I like the risk on what it may cost to get him.

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I think the Heat have had it’s fair share of players with mental issues enough that they will probably pass. Winslow comes to mind and the other is Duncan admitting during his struggles last year he consulted with a sports psychologist. Also don’t even know what a potential deal looks like since he makes a small amount. They don’t need Yurt, they invested a high pick on a backup 2 so don’t need Strus. I don’t see a trade match. Maybe they check him out during free agency if the Wiz let him test the market.

[greg4012]

Rui Hachimura
PJ Washington
Maxi Kleber
Larry Nance

4 PFs on the last year of cheap deals that are currently relegated to the bench because of crowded frontcourt depth. All would fit well with us and all are unlikely to be extended by their current team. I'm sure there are others.

[AirP.]

Talking about Rui, not Omer

Ah, that's more valid but that's just my opinion based off what I've seen him play and expecting you can get him pretty cheap because of his history in Washington and his mental issues. I think he needs a new start, they've had to plan their future without him because of his mental issues and also they now have Porzingis. I do admit I like his high release point of his jumper which allows him the ability to get his shot to get off in tighter coverage. Yes, he'd be a risk but I like the risk on what it may cost to get him.

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I think the Heat have had it’s fair share of players with mental issues enough that they will probably pass. Winslow comes to mind and the other is Duncan admitting during his struggles last year he consulted with a sports psychologist. Also don’t even know what a potential deal looks like since he makes a small amount. They don’t need Yurt, they invested a high pick on a backup 2 so don’t need Strus. I don’t see a trade match. Maybe they check him out during free agency if the Wiz let him test the market.

Doesn't have to be a 2 team trade, say you can move Robinson to a team for 2 players, one Miami wanted at a lesser price and a 2nd player with an expiring contract where that player could be rerouted to Washington with a draft asset for Rui.

[AirP.]

Rui Hachimura
PJ Washington
Maxi Kleber
Larry Nance

4 PFs on the last year of cheap deals that are currently relegated to the bench because of crowded frontcourt depth. All would fit well with us and all are unlikely to be extended by their current team. I'm sure there are others.

NO wants to keep Nance and is working on an extension. Kleber is around 10-11 million and probably is available, Washington and Rui are in their last year of their rookie contract so they walk next year or get their contracts matched as a RFA.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Rui Hachimura
PJ Washington
Maxi Kleber
Larry Nance

4 PFs on the last year of cheap deals that are currently relegated to the bench because of crowded frontcourt depth. All would fit well with us and all are unlikely to be extended by their current team. I'm sure there are others.

Larry Nance seems to make the most sense out of all those names. Heat have wanted him for a while now and the Pels could use someone like Duncan. I think they actually checked in on Duncan during his free agency.

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-miami-heat-were-desperately-trying-to-pry-away-larry-nance-jr-from-cavs/amp/

[MettaWorldPanda]

Rui Hachimura
PJ Washington
Maxi Kleber
Larry Nance

4 PFs on the last year of cheap deals that are currently relegated to the bench because of crowded frontcourt depth. All would fit well with us and all are unlikely to be extended by their current team. I'm sure there are others.

NO wants to keep Nance and is working on an extension. Kleber is around 10-11 million and probably is available, Washington and Rui are in their last year of their rookie contract so they either they walk or get their contracts matched as a RFA.

Nothing set with a Nance Jr extension and he’s actually in a roster numbers crunch at the 4 with Williamson coming back. Pels have the young talented Trey Murphy 6’9 they need to find minutes for at the 4 and even Herb Jones 6’8 can play small ball 4. They also go 3 deep at Center with Valy, Hayes, and Hernangomez.