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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9 

Post#1741 » by greg4012 » Thu Apr 24, 2025 5:07 pm

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We need both guys to produce--they are essential for Miami's success. But, that's def not all Miami needs to beat a 64-win Cleveland that had the #1 ORTG in the NBA (Miami #21; #19 post-all-star) and #8 DRTG in the NBA (Miami #9).

This series is about progress and development. I still see Cleveland's build finding success as encouraging for Miami's prospects if a trade of youth + wiggins + picks ever manifests into another player that helps bump the offensive pecking order into its natural state.
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Post#1742 » by dshearn » Thu Apr 24, 2025 5:29 pm

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Sorry, making my first stroll through twitter and seeing a lot of good info. Our top 2 guys need to have a 25% usage rate at minimum EVERY night. Unless we’re just completely blowing someone out and it’s not necessary, that’s the only time it’s ok for that to not be the case.



I personally enjoyed the few Bam volume games we got this season...I really wish they would have forced more of them...That stuff can always be fined tuned as Bam settles into an offensive role....taking bad shots is part of that learning curve IMO.

I personally fall into that run it back mentality, I really like what "could be" with this team...but damn we need some internal development if they can't add a difference maker this off season.
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Post#1743 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Apr 24, 2025 5:38 pm

Some more stats:

We have a -1.2 net rating with Bam/Herro on the court together, +5.8 with Bam/Ware, +8.8 with Bam/Niko, +15.1 with Herro/Niko.

+4.9 with Bam/Herro/Davion, +31.3 with Bam/Herro/Niko, +30.4 with Bam/Davion/Ware, +5.8 with Bam/Ware/Herro.

+30.8 with Bam/Herro/Mitchell/Ware, +15.9 with Bam/Herro/Mitchell/Jovic.

We very clearly need to be relying on our versatile size, we have dominated the Cavs in the minutes we’ve played 2 bigs together (I think we sometimes forget just how big Jovic is) and yet still find ourselves down 0-2. It seems our best lineups include Bam/Mitchell/Herro and then you work in Jovic and Ware (maybe even go with Jovic at the 3 some next to Bam/Ware) with Highsmith who has been impactful this series as well. A lot of our better lineups included Highsmith, we have to hope to get more from Wiggins on both ends too, he can’t be a negative on both sides of the ball going forward. Think it’s time for a 7 man rotation and you have to go HEAVY minutes with Bam/Herro/Mitchell now. 44-46 minutes each, with size next to them at ALL times. Game 3 is life or death, burn an extra timeout if they need rest.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9 

Post#1744 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Apr 24, 2025 5:40 pm

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Sorry, making my first stroll through twitter and seeing a lot of good info. Our top 2 guys need to have a 25% usage rate at minimum EVERY night. Unless we’re just completely blowing someone out and it’s not necessary, that’s the only time it’s ok for that to not be the case.



I personally enjoyed the few Bam volume games we got this season...I really wish they would have forced more of them...That stuff can always be fined tuned as Bam settles into an offensive role....taking bad shots is part of that learning curve IMO.

I personally fall into that run it back mentality, I really like what "could be" with this team...but damn we need some internal development if they can't add a difference maker this off season.


I think if they can find the right outside piece (KD is a great fit to everything we’re missing) and get some internal development/lean more on our top guys nightly we can have major growth by next season pretty easily.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9 

Post#1745 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Thu Apr 24, 2025 6:10 pm

I like when Bam's aggressive but some of these "We're good when Bam is given the opportunity" posts are missing the point, he's had the opportunity, he gets the ball in his hands all the time if you watch the games. Bam's issue isn't opportunity, its mindset.

He's actually a highly cerebral player, one of the things I love about him. But he's like 2 seconds slow on his reads, to the point he consistently lets defenses load up either on him or whatever play we're trying to run. You can see it when he isos as he usually ends up near the end of the shot clock shooting a high degree of difficulty fadeaway.

I don't know if that's something that can be drilled into him or if it'll just come with time, or if it'll just never come. But that's where the next leap with Bam is. It's not developing a 3-point shot, he can shoot it decent enough. It's not refining his midrange or post-ups, he's solid enough and skilled there to dominate most matchups.

It's solely his ability to react 1 to 2 seconds faster to whatever defenses want to do with him. And I don't think he's low bball IQ either, I think he makes great reads... they're just too slow often to benefit the offense.

(side note this is also why Bam draws relatively low fouls for a player as good as he is, a big part of drawing free throws is quickly attacking and then getting your man out of position, that's how Jimmy was so good at it, he'd go hard, then stop himself and exploit the defender reacting to him)
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9 

Post#1746 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Thu Apr 24, 2025 6:19 pm

Sandwich analogy, warning to any vegans/vegetarians you won't like this so apologies in advance.

I think any good team is built like a sandwich. The centerpiece, while some will argue, is clearly the meat. This is what makes it taste good, where most of the nutrition comes from. If you could only have one part of the sandwich, you keep the meat, because it will sustain you. On a great team, this is your #1 option, the guy everything revolves around.

The next most important part is probably the buns. While they aren't as nutritious, and you can technically get by without them, they hold everything together, and they make the sandwich work as a whole.

After that, the next piece is probably the cheese. This is the perfect compliment to a good sandwich, and while there are some grilled cheese enjoyers out there, you don't want just a grilled cheese if you're older than 10 or younger than 80, you want a delicious sandwich, so the cheese needs to know its place as the compliment to the meat.

Finally, you have your lettuce, tomato, condiments etc. These are all complimentary and pretty useless on their own, but greatly add to an already delicious sandwich.

On our team right now, Bam is buns. He's never going to be the centerpiece but with his defense and attitude he holds everything together. Tyler used to think he was meat when he was only cheese, now he's OK with being cheese but being forced to be meat, which is why the fit isn't quite there yet. He makes us a good grilled cheese, but we've got no protein in our diet now, its just not enough, and on a better team he's the cheese next to the turkey or roast beef.

Everyone else on the roster is side pieces, but Wiggins is paid like cheese when he's more lettuce or tomato. That's why people are upset with him, he's not bad, he's a good compliment, but he's not enough for what this team needs. This team has enough lettuce tomato and condiments, it needs a good piece of meat and/or more cheese.

The key this offseason is finding a way to turn some of our extra lettuce tomato and condiments into a piece of meat. Or possibly adding more cheese and hoping Tyler can become that meat. Bam as the buns sounds like a diss but in a way it makes him arguably the most irreplaceable player on the current roster, I don't want to give him up and end up with wonderbread that gets stuck to the roof of your mouth.

I hope someone out there enjoys this food analogy.
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Post#1747 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:02 pm

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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9 

Post#1749 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:09 pm

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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9 

Post#1750 » by greg4012 » Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:14 pm

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I don’t see it either.


Is it crazy that I'm slightly more worried about Ja Morant's durability for the next 3 year window than I am Durant?

it might be, but i can't shake it.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9 

Post#1751 » by greg4012 » Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:17 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Sandwich analogy, warning to any vegans/vegetarians you won't like this so apologies in advance.

I think any good team is built like a sandwich. The centerpiece, while some will argue, is clearly the meat. This is what makes it taste good, where most of the nutrition comes from. If you could only have one part of the sandwich, you keep the meat, because it will sustain you. On a great team, this is your #1 option, the guy everything revolves around.

The next most important part is probably the buns. While they aren't as nutritious, and you can technically get by without them, they hold everything together, and they make the sandwich work as a whole.

After that, the next piece is probably the cheese. This is the perfect compliment to a good sandwich, and while there are some grilled cheese enjoyers out there, you don't want just a grilled cheese if you're older than 10 or younger than 80, you want a delicious sandwich, so the cheese needs to know its place as the compliment to the meat.

Finally, you have your lettuce, tomato, condiments etc. These are all complimentary and pretty useless on their own, but greatly add to an already delicious sandwich.

On our team right now, Bam is buns. He's never going to be the centerpiece but with his defense and attitude he holds everything together. Tyler used to think he was meat when he was only cheese, now he's OK with being cheese but being forced to be meat, which is why the fit isn't quite there yet. He makes us a good grilled cheese, but we've got no protein in our diet now, its just not enough, and on a better team he's the cheese next to the turkey or roast beef.

Everyone else on the roster is side pieces, but Wiggins is paid like cheese when he's more lettuce or tomato. That's why people are upset with him, he's not bad, he's a good compliment, but he's not enough for what this team needs. This team has enough lettuce tomato and condiments, it needs a good piece of meat and/or more cheese.

The key this offseason is finding a way to turn some of our extra lettuce tomato and condiments into a piece of meat. Or possibly adding more cheese and hoping Tyler can become that meat. Bam as the buns sounds like a diss but in a way it makes him arguably the most irreplaceable player on the current roster, I don't want to give him up and end up with wonderbread that gets stuck to the roof of your mouth.

I hope someone out there enjoys this food analogy.


Lol not bad
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9 

Post#1752 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:35 pm

greg4012 wrote:
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I don’t see it either.


Is it crazy that I'm slightly more worried about Ja Morant's durability for the next 3 year window than I am Durant?

it might be, but i can't shake it.


I’m team Durant but obviously wouldn’t mind buffing up our lack of playmaking with Ja who fits the timeline perfectly.
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Post#1753 » by insfo » Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:47 pm

Our old pal seems to be doing well over in Greece

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Post#1754 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:50 pm

Aside from KD being a seamless fit and 75% of what this team is lacking, any time you have the ability to put your players in the presence of greatness you should do it. Especially when that player is still very elite.

Guys can take and learn several things from his preparation and approach to the game alone. Everyone can learn from his insane work ethic and love of the game 18 years in or whatever. They can workout with him and learn his moves and pick his brain. Imagine Bam/Jovic/Ware learning his 1-2 dribble pull ups and his counters when attacking the basket etc.

It goes deeper than just the on court production
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Post#1755 » by unowen85 » Thu Apr 24, 2025 8:09 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:I like when Bam's aggressive but some of these "We're good when Bam is given the opportunity" posts are missing the point, he's had the opportunity, he gets the ball in his hands all the time if you watch the games. Bam's issue isn't opportunity, its mindset.

He's actually a highly cerebral player, one of the things I love about him. But he's like 2 seconds slow on his reads, to the point he consistently lets defenses load up either on him or whatever play we're trying to run. You can see it when he isos as he usually ends up near the end of the shot clock shooting a high degree of difficulty fadeaway.

I don't know if that's something that can be drilled into him or if it'll just come with time, or if it'll just never come. But that's where the next leap with Bam is. It's not developing a 3-point shot, he can shoot it decent enough. It's not refining his midrange or post-ups, he's solid enough and skilled there to dominate most matchups.

It's solely his ability to react 1 to 2 seconds faster to whatever defenses want to do with him. And I don't think he's low bball IQ either, I think he makes great reads... they're just too slow often to benefit the offense.

(side note this is also why Bam draws relatively low fouls for a player as good as he is, a big part of drawing free throws is quickly attacking and then getting your man out of position, that's how Jimmy was so good at it, he'd go hard, then stop himself and exploit the defender reacting to him)


There was a thread on Reddit a while ago that proposed Bam’s slow reaction time was due to him playing high on weed.
For a long time it gave me nightmares,witnessing an injustice like that.It’s a constant reminder of just how unfair this world can be.I can still hear them taunting him, Silly Rabbit tricks are for kids.I mean why couldn’t they just give him some cereal?
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9 

Post#1756 » by Flash4thewin » Thu Apr 24, 2025 8:30 pm

Being frank, it’s such a hard sell to see KD here. KD is more of a front runner, in the end of his career he is not going to fight to go to a playin team, that’s not his MO unfortunately.
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Post#1757 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Apr 24, 2025 9:43 pm

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Post#1758 » by jbsays » Thu Apr 24, 2025 9:45 pm

Cavs just have too much. Heat played well last game, but Mitchell went off in 4th like vintage D Wade.
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Post#1759 » by Kobewade11 » Thu Apr 24, 2025 10:50 pm

One second place vote for Bam
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Post#1760 » by dshearn » Thu Apr 24, 2025 11:20 pm

jbsays wrote:Cavs just have too much. Heat played well last game, but Mitchell went off in 4th like vintage D Wade.



I dunno....it was close down the stretch with Michell going the hell off....Cleveland had some extremely clutch play at the end. I don't watch the Cavs maybe that is just how they roll....but it seemed extremely clutch to me.

The way I view it, it took a superhuman series of events for the Cavs to close out that game.


Miami might go 0-4 and get nocked out, but at least they showed up.


Added bonus, our Mitchell has been showing out....Miami has to keep this dude

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