2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 3.0

[twix2500]

Let me say this and I say it before the start of a rebuild. When Heat acquire a star they usually do with the expectation of a 3 yr max build. Took about three years to build around Zo, before it was clear to create either a new build around Zo or tear it down. Then It was Wade 2003 to 2006. Then it was Lebron which lasted 4 years. Then it was Butler the build peak/finish 3 yrs with Lowry, Tucker and then Heat try to acquire Dame as the led guy. Giannis will likely be the same. 3 year window before its time to find a new star. 5 or 4 years from now doesnt matter.

[Crazy-Canuck]

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If they get giannis, there has to be another deal ready to go for some 3 and D players around bam and giannis.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Get it done Pat, lock in!!

[inhabitMiami]

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Get it done Pat, lock in!!

He's gonna offer everything. Bucks have to accept it though.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

I just don't see it making any sense for the Bucks to be holding close to 60 million in cap space next year with the Butler contract for a measly extra 1st rd pick they could get from the Warriors. The Warriors can't trade 4 1st as they do not own a pick in 2030. They can trade 2026, 2028, and 2032. We can trade 2030 and 2032 but offer more in terms of younger talent and salary relief to go along with that. The Rozier contract alone washes them from Kuzma. Then add in cost controlled talent like Ware, JJJ, and KJ and our offer clearly is better.

[Crazy-Canuck]

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Get it done Pat, lock in!!

I still don't get it for the Knicks and wolves. Would the bucks actually consider win now guys instead of a rebuild?

Relying on a 3rd or even 4th team to facilitate trades just make it more complicated and unlikely. Its why I still believe the Heats offer is the deal to beat.

As much as I'd love to see jimmy rot in Milwaukee with the stench of Dame still in the arena, I dont see it from the bucks side. Hold him fir a year to rehab and try to get assets at the next deadline? I don't know.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Just feels like Wiggins is going to need to be able to get flipped for an extra 1st rd pick to make this happen. We can't rely on Barry Jackson's pipe dream of the Hornets agreeing to release protections on that pick. He was pushing that chit with the OKC pick for like 5 years and people actually bought into that as an actual scenario. Hornets have house money on that pick with the unprotected roll over to 2028. They don't need to rush anything with that pick in taking protections off. Same as OKC never had any incentive

[inhabitMiami]

I just don't see it making any sense for the Bucks to be holding close to 60 million in cap space next year with the Butler contract for a measly extra 1st rd pick they could get from the Warriors. The Warriors can't trade 4 1st as they do not own a pick in 2030. They can trade 2026, 2028, and 2032. We can trade 2030 and 2032 but offer more in terms of younger talent and salary relief to go along with that. The Rozier contract alone washes them from Kuzma. Then add in cost controlled talent like Ware, JJJ, and KJ and our offer clearly is better.

I didn't realize two of those Warriors picks would be 2026 and 2028. That's significantly less juicy than I expected lol. Ours are probably more valuable

[Crazy-Canuck]

I just don't see it making any sense for the Bucks to be holding close to 60 million in cap space next year with the Butler contract for a measly extra 1st rd pick they could get from the Warriors. The Warriors can't trade 4 1st as they do not own a pick in 2030. They can trade 2026, 2028, and 2032. We can trade 2030 and 2032 but offer more in terms of younger talent and salary relief to go along with that. The Rozier contract alone washes them from Kuzma. Then add in cost controlled talent like Ware, JJJ, and KJ and our offer clearly is better.

Warriors can give 4 picks. The 2030 pick is protected, so they can just give the unprotected part.

Heat can add a 3rd pick by killing the restrictions on that rozier pick. Its generally been a future second rounder to lift protections, so that 2031 second makes sense to part with.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I just don't see it making any sense for the Bucks to be holding close to 60 million in cap space next year with the Butler contract for a measly extra 1st rd pick they could get from the Warriors. The Warriors can't trade 4 1st as they do not own a pick in 2030. They can trade 2026, 2028, and 2032. We can trade 2030 and 2032 but offer more in terms of younger talent and salary relief to go along with that. The Rozier contract alone washes them from Kuzma. Then add in cost controlled talent like Ware, JJJ, and KJ and our offer clearly is better.

I didn't realize two of those Warriors picks would be 2026 and 2028. That's significantly less juicy than I expected lol. Ours are probably more valuable

Its the 2030 and the 2032 that everyone is after. 26 and 28 were always going to be late picks. Every heat pick is going to be a late pick. No team with spo and bam is going to bottom out anytime soon.

[Crazy-Canuck]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

I just don't see it making any sense for the Bucks to be holding close to 60 million in cap space next year with the Butler contract for a measly extra 1st rd pick they could get from the Warriors. The Warriors can't trade 4 1st as they do not own a pick in 2030. They can trade 2026, 2028, and 2032. We can trade 2030 and 2032 but offer more in terms of younger talent and salary relief to go along with that. The Rozier contract alone washes them from Kuzma. Then add in cost controlled talent like Ware, JJJ, and KJ and our offer clearly is better.

I didn't realize two of those Warriors picks would be 2026 and 2028. That's significantly less juicy than I expected lol. Ours are probably more valuable

Its the 2030 and the 2032 that everyone is after. 26 and 28 were always going to be late picks. Every heat pick is going to be a late pick. No team with spo and bam is going to bottom out anytime soon.

I'm keeping an eye on the Clippers as a possible landing spot for Wiggins. They have the contracts of Bogdonovic, DJJ, and Paul with a 2030 1st that could be valuable for the Bucks in closing this deal out.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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I guess they can trade the protected 2030 pick. We can offer the same back end of this deal with 2030 2031 pick swap and 2032. If we can extract one more pick we are good to go.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Unlock those protections by sending a 2nd, or hell send the Hornets Jovic if possible to unlock those protections. Adding another 1st to our deal easily trumps the others (our current offer already does). Worst case you’re coming out of this with Davion, Powell, Wiggins, Giannis, Bam, Dru, Pelle and then the bucks im sure will be sending us an additional rotation piece or 2 and then hit the buyout market hard. Guys will be trying to come here in March

[greg4012]

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I guess they can trade the protected 2030 pick. We can offer the same back end of this deal with 2030 2031 pick swap and 2032. If we can extract one more pick we are good to go.

So their 2030 first round pick is one that disintegrates into nothing in the event that GS is a top 10 team in 2029-2030.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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I guess they can trade the protected 2030 pick. We can offer the same back end of this deal with 2030 2031 pick swap and 2032. If we can extract one more pick we are good to go.

Our young guys **** on the Warriors young pieces and we’re sending them the Hometown Herro. I’m delusional but I don’t even see how this is close. Ware is more valuable than anything they’re sending himself

[MettaWorldPanda]

Unlock those protections by sending a 2nd, or hell send the Hornets Jovic if possible to unlock those protections. Adding another 1st to our deal easily trumps the others (our current offer already does). Worst case you’re coming out of this with Davion, Powell, Wiggins, Giannis, Bam, Dru, Pelle and then the bucks im sure will be sending us an additional rotation piece or 2 and then hit the buyout market hard. Guys will be trying to come here in March

Let me remind you that Jovic is basically untradeable under this current PPP contract unless the team he's going to can absorb his future 16 million onto the cap next year. He's basically a lock not to get traded. Also I'm not sold on the Hornets helping us out in any way shape or form with that pick. We spent years trying to send a second round pick to OKC to lift protections that just never happened. The most we were able to convey was a kick the can down the road trade with OKC that cost us a second rd with KZ Okpala and ended up screwing us over even more. The lifting the protections idea from the Hornets is just a tough sell for me just like the idea OKC was supposed to do that was.

[MartyCONLONNN]

I just don't see it making any sense for the Bucks to be holding close to 60 million in cap space next year with the Butler contract for a measly extra 1st rd pick they could get from the Warriors. The Warriors can't trade 4 1st as they do not own a pick in 2030. They can trade 2026, 2028, and 2032. We can trade 2030 and 2032 but offer more in terms of younger talent and salary relief to go along with that. The Rozier contract alone washes them from Kuzma. Then add in cost controlled talent like Ware, JJJ, and KJ and our offer clearly is better.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Patrick’s last at bat, he’s been waiting on this one