2014 Miami Heat Offseason Thread (Rumors/Reports) 5.0

[CrossOver]

Would suggest not touching the general board since no one is going to rationally talk about these signings at this point.

[RexBoyWonder]

When free agency started, the number 12 came up when talking about possible free cap size. We might not have had that much, but I still believe that the big 3 taking a small discount is a real possibility, given everything we heard.

Salary cap = 63.5

Wade = 13
Bosh = 17
Lebron = 17
Haslem = 2 (strech contract to 3 years)
Cole = 2
Napier = 1
Full MLE cap hold - renounced
Mcbob = 5
Granger (bi-annual exception )
Cap holds = 2.5

total = 59.5

Free cap space = 4 Mil.

Could net us another decent player. If we move Cole or get Haslem to take the vet min, or big 3 take bigger discount, could go up to 6-7 Mil for another player.

The problem with this plan/idea is that we cant use cap space AND exceptions. Cant have both. We either operate with cap space on all deals (including McRoberts and Granger) or we operate as a team ABOVE the cap and use those exceptions. So if you are eluding to the Big 3 taking less and McBob and DG taking deals that start at those salaries but aren't techinically "exceptions" then yes it could work but that is the only way.

Question becomes, does Lebron Wade and Bosh take considerably less for McRoberts, Granger and a 4-6 million dollar player. As much as I would love to say yes, I think it is unlikely.

As you can see by my numbers, I went with the free cap space rout. We'll have the bi-annual exception regardless, and Mcbob money fits into the free cap space.

Will the big 3 take this discount if it means we can get Gasol for 6 Mil? I think yes.

[Amorphous Blob]

So if lebron and Bosh leave what do you guys see Wade doing this free agency. Would you like for him to stay and suffer the last few years of his career or go to a team like the Lakers for another shot at the title.

The Lakers...word?

[MisterHibachi]

So if lebron and Bosh leave what do you guys see Wade doing this free agency. Would you like for him to stay and suffer the last few years of his career or go to a team like the Lakers for another shot at the title.

Never to the Lakers. Wade's Heat for life. He can get a shot at the title in Miami.

[GreenHat]

When free agency started, the number 12 came up when talking about possible free cap size. We might not have had that much, but I still believe that the big 3 taking a small discount is a real possibility, given everything we heard.

Salary cap = 63.5

Wade = 13
Bosh = 17
Lebron = 17
Haslem = 2 (strech contract to 3 years)
Cole = 2
Napier = 1
Full MLE cap hold - renounced
Mcbob = 5
Granger (bi-annual exception )
Cap holds = 2.5

total = 59.5

Free cap space = 4 Mil.

Could net us another decent player. If we move Cole or get Haslem to take the vet min, or big 3 take bigger discount, could go up to 6-7 Mil for another player.

Wouldn't we have to renounce the bi-annual as well to get the cap space?

I'm asking not questioning.

That cuts it down low enough that I feel its more likely that Mcbob is the MLE guy and we are just capping out with everyone else's Bird rights than huge paycuts.

I'm hoping for the latter though

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

So if lebron and Bosh leave what do you guys see Wade doing this free agency. Would you like for him to stay and suffer the last few years of his career or go to a team like the Lakers for another shot at the title.

Never to the Lakers. Wade's Heat for life. He can get a shot at the title in Miami.

If LBJ and Bosh both abandon Miami (they won't), then Pat should give Wade a Kobe contract, full max out with all the trimmings and then try to compete with Wade at the helm as he rides out his career here.

Wade retires here.

[Mad Mike]

So if lebron and Bosh leave what do you guys see Wade doing this free agency. Would you like for him to stay and suffer the last few years of his career or go to a team like the Lakers for another shot at the title.

The Lakers...word?

or rockets, bulls, oklahoma, spurs (insert any team with a shot at the ring)

Do you guys see wade staying and playing it out with the heat?

[Amorphous Blob]

So if lebron and Bosh leave what do you guys see Wade doing this free agency. Would you like for him to stay and suffer the last few years of his career or go to a team like the Lakers for another shot at the title.

The Lakers...word?

or rockets, bulls, oklahoma, spurs (insert any team with a shot at the ring)

Do you guys see wade staying and playing it out with the heat?

Yes he has 3 rings he's Heat for life.

[Askins Bowtie]

The problem with this plan/idea is that we cant use cap space AND exceptions. Cant have both.

Can you clarify this? All these journalists talking about two roads the Heat could take - either using cap space or exceptions. But why are they mutually exclusive?

Ira today was tweeting that this signing means Bosh won't be asked to take a pay cut, but if the Big 3 do come back at a discount, couldn't we still have space to add another guy under the cap (in addition to the 2 mil trade exception & re-signing Allen/Bird using early bird rights?)

[Superbasketball]

Gasol will most likely go to the Lakers or Knicks. I don't think Heat will get him, he is considering the Thunder I think. He doesn't seem like a guy who would go to the heat.

[HEATVols865]

Could Riley have had them agree to the dollar figures telling them that it's not for sure if it will be capspace or exceptions? In other words, Riley could still ask the Big 3 to take $3M discount to bring a Gasol like player?


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[RexBoyWonder]

When free agency started, the number 12 came up when talking about possible free cap size. We might not have had that much, but I still believe that the big 3 taking a small discount is a real possibility, given everything we heard.

Salary cap = 63.5

Wade = 13
Bosh = 17
Lebron = 17
Haslem = 2 (strech contract to 3 years)
Cole = 2
Napier = 1
Full MLE cap hold - renounced
Mcbob = 5
Granger (bi-annual exception )
Cap holds = 2.5

total = 59.5

Free cap space = 4 Mil.

Could net us another decent player. If we move Cole or get Haslem to take the vet min, or big 3 take bigger discount, could go up to 6-7 Mil for another player.

Wouldn't we have to renounce the bi-annual as well to get the cap space?

I'm asking not questioning.

That cuts it down low enough that I feel its more likely that Mcbob is the MLE guy and we are just capping out with everyone else's Bird rights than huge paycuts.

I'm hoping for the latter though

Too lazy and tired to check but preaty sure the answer to the bi-annual is - no. We'll have it anyway.

I don't see the need to give any of Allen, Mario, Lewis, Oden anything more then the vet minimum. If they walk, that's fine.
Birdman it worth more, but if losing his bird rights (no pun intended) means we can land Gasol/Hill, well....

[HeatDaChamps]

So if lebron and Bosh leave what do you guys see Wade doing this free agency. Would you like for him to stay and suffer the last few years of his career or go to a team like the Lakers for another shot at the title.

Never to the Lakers. Wade's Heat for life. He can get a shot at the title in Miami.

If LBJ and Bosh both abandon Miami (they won't), then Pat should give Wade a Kobe contract, full max out with all the trimmings and then try to compete with Wade at the helm as he rides out his career here.

Wade retires here.

LOL that would be the stupidest thing on the planet. Wade gets a Kobe contract and we go back to the lottery. Wade will retire here but not giving him that type of money. That'd crazy and (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to even propose

[KingDavid]

Gasol will most likely go to the Lakers or Knicks. I don't think Heat will get him, he is considering the Thunder I think. He doesn't seem like a guy who would go to the heat.

And why is that? What kind of guy goes to the Heat?

[bobly]

let me preface this by saying I fully admit I am ignorant when it comes to our cap issues. I lucked out on guessing we'd get McRoberts because my expectations were way lower than most people's.

My question is can Riley sign Bosh and Lebron to an extended contract, but offer Wade the 2 year 40 million plus he was owed? I'm asking because I think they all opted out assuming they thought could get a bigger name. Now that it seems that isn't going to happen, It would almost seem better to pay Wade his 40 million over 2 years instead of owing him something like 13 million in his fourth year.

[rawa13]

Rockets rushed trading Asif. They could have traded Asif, Lin and picks to Heat for (signed) Bosh. It would have been a win-win situation.

[GreenHat]

When free agency started, the number 12 came up when talking about possible free cap size. We might not have had that much, but I still believe that the big 3 taking a small discount is a real possibility, given everything we heard.

Salary cap = 63.5

Wade = 13
Bosh = 17
Lebron = 17
Haslem = 2 (strech contract to 3 years)
Cole = 2
Napier = 1
Full MLE cap hold - renounced
Mcbob = 5
Granger (bi-annual exception )
Cap holds = 2.5

total = 59.5

Free cap space = 4 Mil.

Could net us another decent player. If we move Cole or get Haslem to take the vet min, or big 3 take bigger discount, could go up to 6-7 Mil for another player.

Wouldn't we have to renounce the bi-annual as well to get the cap space?

I'm asking not questioning.

That cuts it down low enough that I feel its more likely that Mcbob is the MLE guy and we are just capping out with everyone else's Bird rights than huge paycuts.

I'm hoping for the latter though

Too lazy and tired to check but preaty sure the answer to the bi-annual is - no. We'll have it anyway.

I don't see the need to give any of Allen, Mario, Lewis, Oden anything more then the vet minimum. If they walk, that's fine.
Birdman it worth more, but if losing his bird rights (no pun intended) means we can land Gasol/Hill, well....

I'm not saying you are wrong but I thought to use that cap space the bi-annual needed to be renounced as well.

If that is the case and then we can pay our own guys whatever after using the exceptions I could see Allen and Chalmers getting more than the minimum since it wouldn't matter to us cap wise anyway. Same with Birdman.

I think Gasol/Hill are a pipe dream after signing Mcroberts. Hope you're right though.

[Superbasketball]

Gasol will most likely go to the Lakers or Knicks. I don't think Heat will get him, he is considering the Thunder I think. He doesn't seem like a guy who would go to the heat.

And why is that? What kind of guy goes to the Heat?

Old guys closing in on late 30s. LOL

Gasol seems like a loyal guy, the type to remain with Kobe or go with Phil Jackson. The main point is he is likely to stick with what he knows and make the money. Riley is batting 0 right now. There is a reason why he cannot get impact players here. I also think Gasol will not sign unless he knows Lebron is there and it appears that Riley doesn't even know himself.

[HeatNation88]

Hey cavs fans, who have you guys gotten? lmao


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Not 1 number 1 pick, not 2 number 1 pick, not 3 number 1 pick, not 4 number 1 pick...

[Mugiwara]

Gasol will most likely go to the Lakers or Knicks. I don't think Heat will get him, he is considering the Thunder I think. He doesn't seem like a guy who would go to the heat.

And why is that? What kind of guy goes to the Heat?

People who have self-respect. Gasol likes to be somebody's b**ch.