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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1761 » by twix2500 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:11 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Tyler Smith also came in for a workout. He was also invited a 2nd time by the Blazers to workout so potentially locking himself into a top 15 pick with good workouts.

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I think Tyler Smith is an ex-factor. He is still very raw, so I think how he looks in private workouts will make a difference for him. Physical talent and tools wise, he fits the Heat system. He is 6'10 not 6'11. Measured 6'9.0 without shoes with a 7'1 winspan in comparison to Bam who is 6'8.75 without shoes with a 7'2 winspan and to compare him to Bobby Portis who is 9.5 without shoes and a 7'2 winspan. His defense is the question mark he will have to answer in private workouts. Can he be a highlevel defender in a switch base defense. That is the thing these 6'10 and smaller centers need be switching defensive talent. None of them are good enough to play drop defense. There is no Alonzo Morning or Ben Wallace in this draft.


What's the vision for the developed Tyler Smith? A switchy 3&D 4 that can dunk it? His shot is nice out the gate, but he doesn't have much in the way of dribbling or passing. He has the tools to be a switchy defender, but doesn't have any of the mentals yet. Is ceiling higher than Jovic's?


Like I said he is raw, so he will have to develop a more well rounded game. The physical talent is good and a good skill set. Coaching fundamentals, technique that fits the nba system and his talent. I think the g-league is good for players development. I think its very similar talent level to Jovic but the opposite in talent type. He has to be taught to play the wing as to Jovic had to be taught to play in the paint. Smith is more physical were Jovic is more finesse.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1762 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:16 pm

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greg4012 wrote:There's also the ex-factor of who the hell knows if Miami has worked out some others

I think that in this day and age with social media it's almost impossible to workout an outsider and keep it totally under the radar..too many curious cats around and it's extremely easy to leak info


Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places. So who has Daron Holmes worked out with?

Looks like someone gave him a predraft combine promise and seems to be satisfied with him. Canceled all official individual workouts. 76ers have only worked out Dillon Jones and Trenton Flowers hold the 16th. Could be them.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1763 » by greg4012 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:22 pm

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RexBoyWonder wrote:I think that in this day and age with social media it's almost impossible to workout an outsider and keep it totally under the radar..too many curious cats around and it's extremely easy to leak info


Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places. So who has Daron Holmes worked out with?

Looks like someone gave him a predraft combine promise and seems to be satisfied with him. Canceled all official individual workouts. 76ers have only worked out Dillon Jones and Trenton Flowers hold the 16th. Could be them.


Was it predraft combine? I don't believe the report came out until last week. The draft combine was a month ago. And the report indicated he cancelled all his "remaining workouts" which infers he had at least one team workout.

It's fun to follow the draft process, but I really don't think we're privy to all workout news. Some teams are forthcoming and use it as promotional material, some teams are secretive.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1764 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:39 pm

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Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places. So who has Daron Holmes worked out with?

Looks like someone gave him a predraft combine promise and seems to be satisfied with him. Canceled all official individual workouts. 76ers have only worked out Dillon Jones and Trenton Flowers hold the 16th. Could be them.


Was it predraft combine? I don't believe the report came out until last week. The draft combine was a month ago. And the report indicated he cancelled all his "remaining workouts" which infers he had at least one team workout.

It's fun to follow the draft process, but I really don't think we're privy to all workout news. Some teams are forthcoming and use it as promotional material, some teams are secretive.

The Heat have been pretty transparent as many outlets have reported the players of interest the last few years. It was no mistake Andy Katz had us taking JJJ in his predraft NBA TV televised mock. It was either JJJ or Podz. Now the workouts and more widely reported than ever before. Remember Daron worked out for teams last year too. Could be one of those.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1765 » by greg4012 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:48 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Looks like someone gave him a predraft combine promise and seems to be satisfied with him. Canceled all official individual workouts. 76ers have only worked out Dillon Jones and Trenton Flowers hold the 16th. Could be them.


Was it predraft combine? I don't believe the report came out until last week. The draft combine was a month ago. And the report indicated he cancelled all his "remaining workouts" which infers he had at least one team workout.

It's fun to follow the draft process, but I really don't think we're privy to all workout news. Some teams are forthcoming and use it as promotional material, some teams are secretive.

The Heat have been pretty transparent as many outlets have reported the players of interest the last few years. It was no mistake Andy Katz had us taking JJJ in his predraft NBA TV televised mock. It was either JJJ or Podz. Now the workouts and more widely reported than ever before. Remember Daron worked out for teams last year too. Could be one of those.


It seems you might be trying to fit facts revealed into a preconceived expectation that all are reported. It's not lining up for me based on looking at the facts at hand.

The Heat don't seem to report on their workouts much. Do they ever release videos of player workouts before the draft happens?
Perhaps the Heat just leave it up to the individual working out and his camp to divulge info or not.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1766 » by DayofMourning » Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:49 pm

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Post#1767 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:52 pm

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Was it predraft combine? I don't believe the report came out until last week. The draft combine was a month ago. And the report indicated he cancelled all his "remaining workouts" which infers he had at least one team workout.

It's fun to follow the draft process, but I really don't think we're privy to all workout news. Some teams are forthcoming and use it as promotional material, some teams are secretive.

The Heat have been pretty transparent as many outlets have reported the players of interest the last few years. It was no mistake Andy Katz had us taking JJJ in his predraft NBA TV televised mock. It was either JJJ or Podz. Now the workouts and more widely reported than ever before. Remember Daron worked out for teams last year too. Could be one of those.


It seems you might be trying to fit facts revealed into a preconceived expectation that all are reported. It's not lining up for me based on looking at the facts at hand.

The Heat don't seem to report on their workouts much. Do they ever release videos of player workouts before the draft happens?
Perhaps the Heat just leave it up to the individual working out and his camp to divulge info or not.

Huh? Look at the hoops hype list from last year. It was reported as fact who we worked out. Literally this year you have our local reporters giving you a list of the reported players we are working out. Preconceived expectation lol

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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1768 » by greg4012 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:09 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:The Heat have been pretty transparent as many outlets have reported the players of interest the last few years. It was no mistake Andy Katz had us taking JJJ in his predraft NBA TV televised mock. It was either JJJ or Podz. Now the workouts and more widely reported than ever before. Remember Daron worked out for teams last year too. Could be one of those.


It seems you might be trying to fit facts revealed into a preconceived expectation that all are reported. It's not lining up for me based on looking at the facts at hand.

The Heat don't seem to report on their workouts much. Do they ever release videos of player workouts before the draft happens?
Perhaps the Heat just leave it up to the individual working out and his camp to divulge info or not.

Huh? Look at the hoops hype list from last year. It was reported as fact who we worked out. Literally this year you have our local reporters giving you a list of the reported players we are working out. Preconceived expectation lol

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Here goes one for Tyler Herro


Is it not usually sourced from the player when it comes to the Heat?

Yes preconceived expectation.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1769 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:16 pm

greg4012 wrote:
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It seems you might be trying to fit facts revealed into a preconceived expectation that all are reported. It's not lining up for me based on looking at the facts at hand.

The Heat don't seem to report on their workouts much. Do they ever release videos of player workouts before the draft happens?
Perhaps the Heat just leave it up to the individual working out and his camp to divulge info or not.

Huh? Look at the hoops hype list from last year. It was reported as fact who we worked out. Literally this year you have our local reporters giving you a list of the reported players we are working out. Preconceived expectation lol

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Here goes one for Tyler Herro


Is it not usually sourced from the player when it comes to the Heat?

Yes preconceived expectation.


Greg Salamendar gave the entire list of like 14 guys, some virtually unknown names.

My guess is that the source is within the Hear org. Some of these names where from way left field - no chance he had any connection directly to them.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1770 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:26 pm

greg4012 wrote:
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greg4012 wrote:
It seems you might be trying to fit facts revealed into a preconceived expectation that all are reported. It's not lining up for me based on looking at the facts at hand.

The Heat don't seem to report on their workouts much. Do they ever release videos of player workouts before the draft happens?
Perhaps the Heat just leave it up to the individual working out and his camp to divulge info or not.

Huh? Look at the hoops hype list from last year. It was reported as fact who we worked out. Literally this year you have our local reporters giving you a list of the reported players we are working out. Preconceived expectation lol

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Here goes one for Tyler Herro


Is it not usually sourced from the player when it comes to the Heat?

Yes preconceived expectation.

Preconceived expectation has a fairly good track record recently that we will most likely be taking a player that’s reported working out with us rather then a player that’s not reported working out with us unless your Justise Winslow. Herro, Achuiwa, Jovic(Predraft interview and FTX Scheduled workout canceled due to injury), JJJ, and 2024(Hidden workout player)?
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1771 » by greg4012 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:32 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Huh? Look at the hoops hype list from last year. It was reported as fact who we worked out. Literally this year you have our local reporters giving you a list of the reported players we are working out. Preconceived expectation lol

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Here goes one for Tyler Herro


Is it not usually sourced from the player when it comes to the Heat?

Yes preconceived expectation.

Preconceived expectation has a fairly good track record recently that we will most likely be taking a player that’s reported working out with us rather then a player that’s not reported working out with us unless your Justise Winslow. Herro, Achuiwa, Jovic(Predraft interview and FTX Scheduled workout canceled due to injury), JJJ, and 2024(Hidden workout player)?


Lol I'm not questioning the validity of the information presented. I firmly believe everyone reported to have work outs with the Heat is working out with the Heat. I'm just pointing out that a lot of NBA teams aren't actively reporting their workouts. That reasonably means, that there are surely instances of multiple players working out with teams and it not being reported UNLESS the player's camp reports it.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1772 » by greg4012 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:33 pm

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greg4012 wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Huh? Look at the hoops hype list from last year. It was reported as fact who we worked out. Literally this year you have our local reporters giving you a list of the reported players we are working out. Preconceived expectation lol

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Here goes one for Tyler Herro


Is it not usually sourced from the player when it comes to the Heat?

Yes preconceived expectation.


Greg Salamendar gave the entire list of like 14 guys, some virtually unknown names.

My guess is that the source is within the Hear org. Some of these names where from way left field - no chance he had any connection directly to them.


Any chance the players are with agencies known within NBA circles?
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1773 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:38 pm

greg4012 wrote:
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Is it not usually sourced from the player when it comes to the Heat?

Yes preconceived expectation.

Preconceived expectation has a fairly good track record recently that we will most likely be taking a player that’s reported working out with us rather then a player that’s not reported working out with us unless your Justise Winslow. Herro, Achuiwa, Jovic(Predraft interview and FTX Scheduled workout canceled due to injury), JJJ, and 2024(Hidden workout player)?


Lol I'm not questioning the validity of the information presented. I firmly believe everyone reported to have work outs with the Heat is working out with the Heat. I'm just pointing out that a lot of NBA teams aren't actively reporting their workouts. That reasonably means, that there are surely instances of multiple players working out with teams and it not being reported UNLESS the player's camp reports it.

Yeah i’m guessing some teams are operating like this and especially with Holmes case since he canceled all verified workouts. I wonder if the NBA has a rule in place that any workouts taking place in NBA arenas as of June have to be reported. Just guessing on that one. I was just really stressing the point home with the Heat that more times than not it’s usually not a surprise who we take if you're actively looking for the info prior to the draft. With the way social media is these days it’s getting easier to project who are the likely players we will be selecting when 15 is on the clock.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1774 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:39 pm

greg4012 wrote:
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greg4012 wrote:
Is it not usually sourced from the player when it comes to the Heat?

Yes preconceived expectation.


Greg Salamendar gave the entire list of like 14 guys, some virtually unknown names.

My guess is that the source is within the Hear org. Some of these names where from way left field - no chance he had any connection directly to them.


Any chance the players are with agencies known within NBA circles?

Funny coincidence again is no signs of Klutch lol
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1775 » by greg4012 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:43 pm

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Greg Salamendar gave the entire list of like 14 guys, some virtually unknown names.

My guess is that the source is within the Hear org. Some of these names where from way left field - no chance he had any connection directly to them.


Any chance the players are with agencies known within NBA circles?

Funny coincidence again is no signs of Klutch lol


I've def come around to recognize Klutch is no-go territory for Miami until proven otherwise
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1776 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:53 pm

greg4012 wrote:
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Any chance the players are with agencies known within NBA circles?

Funny coincidence again is no signs of Klutch lol


I've def come around to recognize Klutch is no-go territory for Miami until proven otherwise

Track record very hard to dismiss. Here goes this years Klutch class

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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1778 » by twix2500 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:11 pm

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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024** 

Post#1779 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:14 pm

Zach Edey probably had Riley gushing and Spo turning a blind eye. Riley loves his big man. Whiteside and Yurtseven were Riley plugs. Spo had no time for either of them
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