2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Probably fake but need to be trying to keep Jimmy while trading Terry Ware Jaime Jovic and picks for Fox

Rozier and Duncan would have to be involved. McCollum and Jones would be solid additions if looking for one last Jimmy run. They will want Jovic and pick for Herb Jones alone.

They'll want JJJ, too. Jones is worth more than Jovic and a pick

I agree. Saw article mentioned that they will be asking for multiple first for Jones. MCcollum makes 33 million so hard to get a good trade match going with just Rozier and trying to walk it up with multiple players after that. 3 or 4 for 1 trades are hard due to limited roster space.

[Beenie]

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Another one lol

Yuck

[MettaWorldPanda]

That Kawhi trade to Toronto is maybe the kinda deal we can expect if one does happen.

A mid “star”
A youngish player
1 protected pick

Not looking forward to the trade deadline

Looking at the Damien Lillard trade for recent pick guidance. One pick and two swaps were obtained in that one

[AirP.]

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[lastb1ckman]

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Another one lol

Yuck

McCollum? We literally already have Herro. Stacking similar players doesn't work!

[lastb1ckman]

Also, I want no part in trading more picks for any mid level player. I don't care who, not for Finey smith, McCollum or nobody. It's just Rozier all over again.

[AirP.]

Also, I want no part in trading more picks for any mid level player. I don't care who, not for Finey smith, McCollum or nobody. It's just Rozier all over again.

It's probably a trade sending Rozier out. Add a little incentive and upgrade the Heat roster.

[Shewasfly]

He’s light years better than Rozier would be enough of an argument

But to pile on, he would finally give Jimmy a non Tito teammate in the playoffs

If it was just Rozier, then sign me up (I'm lying, I still don't want him on this team lol). But Duncan?? I'd rather keep him. And I am by no means a Duncan fan, he's received my share of criticism for awhile now, but no. Duncan is of more value to this team as is than any version of LeBron you see today.

I'm hoping we can just put something together to get a decent C of the Vuvevic caliber and a PG like Schroeder while only giving up a Rozier package without much more. But I think Duncan would be perfect in a package to get John Collins.

Vuvevic in the playoffs would be another Tito

True, but I feel like with what we have to offer, that's the most realistic caliber of player we'd be able to get if trying to add to this Butler/Bam/Tyler core without giving up any depth we'd care to keep.

[Shewasfly]

If a trade for Jimmy does happen, it will be because Jimmy is pushing for it and he's basically given up on his ability to win with Bam and Herro. For that reason you can pretty much strike out any non-contending team, so it won't be the Rockets. Its more likely GSW or maybe even Dallas.

If we're trading with any non-contending team, it's to make one final push with this core, trust. And I will be fine with that.

[AirP.]

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[marson]

Meh I really doubt Houston will pay the price for an aging Butler. I can see the Warriors though.

But I would like to see one last dance with this core. With a healthy Herro and Butler in the playoffs. Who knows what can happen.

[insfo]

That Kawhi trade to Toronto is maybe the kinda deal we can expect if one does happen.

A mid “star”
A youngish player
1 protected pick

Not looking forward to the trade deadline

Looking at the Damien Lillard trade for recent pick guidance. One pick and two swaps were obtained in that one

Dame was a slightly different scenario since he still had years on his contract when he was traded. Kawhi on the last year of his to Toronto for Derozen, Poeltl and a protected pick is likely the blueprint that others will base their offers on.

So Wiggins, Kuminga, lotto protected 1st kinda offers are what I’d think Pat would get.

McCollum, Matkovic, pick

I know boring

Edit: I know Jones is a name everyone likes, but Trey Murphy would flourish in our system as a Duncan replacement starter at the 3. JJJ can continue coming off the bench

[insfo]

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Wonder where Bam-Duncan land on this list. I was surprised to see it was Herro and not Dunc.

Maybe a DHO chart will yield a different result, as I’m guessing if the pick is part of a DHO maybe that doesn’t count for this particular metric?

[MettaWorldPanda]

That Kawhi trade to Toronto is maybe the kinda deal we can expect if one does happen.

A mid “star”
A youngish player
1 protected pick

Not looking forward to the trade deadline

Looking at the Damien Lillard trade for recent pick guidance. One pick and two swaps were obtained in that one

Dame was a slightly different scenario since he still had years on his contract when he was traded. Kawhi on the last year of his to Toronto for Derozen, Poeltl and a protected pick is likely the blueprint that others will base their offers on.

So Wiggins, Kuminga, lotto protected 1st kinda offers are what I’d think Pat would get.

McCollum, Matkovic, pick

I know boring

Edit: I know Jones is a name everyone likes, but Trey Murphy would flourish in our system as a Duncan replacement starter at the 3. JJJ can continue coming off the bench

I know it’s going to boring lol. I see some offers of 4 first round picks or elite young draft prospects and teams are just not going to go for that. Might as well just go in on a younger star if that’s the case. I do think a good solid trade can be made. If we are not extending Jimmy then it’s pointless to keep him. Everyone in there feels after a 3 game win streak but this team is still crazy mid.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I really don’t like any trade with the Warriors. Also gonna be hard for us to trade match as we would have to eat Melton’s salary to match the contract. Also lacking roster and cap space to do much to help us with the tax. Kuminga contract next year is not something we want to deal with.

[marson]

I really don’t like any trade with the Warriors. Also gonna be hard for us to trade match as we would have to eat Melton’s salary to match the contract. Also lacking roster and cap space to do much to help us with the tax. Kuminga contract next year is not something we want to deal with.

That's why I think no trades will happen unless Houston is wiling to pay up the price.

[marson]

If Houston is willing to offer Jabari, Reed, Brooks, Adams and picks for Butler and Jovic. Then you do it and call it a day.

Jalen Green can't be traded this year while Eason, Amen Thompson and Sengun are untouchables.

Bam/Adams
Jabari/Highsmith
Brooks/Jaquez
Robinson/Larssen
Herro/Reed

That's a young team that will be exciting to watch in the next few years. Spo might unlock Jabari here.

Houston POV. Just meh. Just develop the young players and should be no rush in winning.

Sengun
Eason / Jovic
Butler / Whitmore
Green
FVV / Thompson

That's why I think Warriors would be more desperate, since Curry and Green are on their last legs.

[wade44]

It’s like the Heat know they have to deal Butler before they lose him for nothing yet there’s still some hesitation to break up the core feels like.

[batterybro42]

Part of me feels like the Heat are playing 4D chess with Butler showing him he doesn’t have value in the trade market. Jimmy isn’t getting a big contract on a contending team at 35 doing what he’s doing. He can accept a mid tier deal for 70-80 Mil with Miami or he can go play for a team like the Hornets. He is not getting max money from a serious team.

Jimmy is a great player, and one of my all time favorites. I want to see him retire in Miami, but if he wants to be irrational about his value at his age and what he brings nightly then I’d prefer he does that elsewhere.

[lastb1ckman]

Also, I want no part in trading more picks for any mid level player. I don't care who, not for Finey smith, McCollum or nobody. It's just Rozier all over again.

It's probably a trade sending Rozier out. Add a little incentive and upgrade the Heat roster.

That's the same thing. We already used a pick to get him, now we use another to get rid of him?
I feel like that's one of the worst ways to use picks nowadays. Especially when players aren't end of career washed. It makes much more sense to figure out how to make them work the best you can on the team, then either use their salary in the trades you actually want or let their contracts run out.