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Post#1781 » by RexBoyWonder » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:14 am

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insfo wrote:We've apparently signed Ole Miss guard Breein Tyree. I'm assuming this is our second 2-way contract

Read on Twitter

Mans doesnt look half bad

I am watching these highlight wondering how this guy didn't go #1 overall :lol:

Looks like he has a skillset similar to Nunn's.


Dont see an NBA player.

Sadly with no Gleague due to covid and most of the interesting undervalued prospects snatched in the 50-60 range on draft night, I don't see us developing anyone with potential this year.

It's all about KZ, Precious and Vincent for us.
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Post#1782 » by SA37 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:34 am

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RiverboatRiles wrote:Mans doesnt look half bad

I am watching these highlight wondering how this guy didn't go #1 overall :lol:

Looks like he has a skillset similar to Nunn's.


Dont see an NBA player.

Sadly with no Gleague due to covid and most of the interesting undervalued prospects snatched in the 50-60 range on draft night, I don't see us developing anyone with potential this year.

It's all KZ, Precious and Vincent for us.


The percentage of undrafted guys who become rotation players in the NBA is extremely low. This is even true for guys who get drafted, regardless of where they get picked.

Making the NBA is hard.

You can't expect Miami or any team to find and develop "hidden" NBA talent every year. What Miami has gotten between Bam, Herro, Nunn, Robinson, Whiteside, and DJJ in basically a 4-year period is hard to replicate. Just look at all the teams who have spent years drafting duds in the lottery .

Judging from that video, this kid can shoot it off the dribble, he can get to the basket and finish with either hand, and can create his own shot. Those are the kinds of skills Nunn, Lou WIll, Nick Van Exel, or VanVleet have/had. Will that translate to the NBA? Apparently, no team was willing to bet a draft pick on it, but the same was true for Nunn and VanVleet. Van Exel didn't get taken until the 2nd round. Lou Williams was drafted 45th out of HS (I didn't realize he had not played college ball).

I like the skills I saw in the video. Hopefully Nunn and Tyree do become the next Lou WIll, VanVleet, or Van Exel.
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Post#1783 » by HeatingUp3 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:55 am

This kid is skilled. He can make it in the NBA if he shot like this.
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Post#1784 » by Wiltside » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:57 am

I think Avery Bradley is probably a bigger signing than we are giving him credit for. He’s been a very solid player for a long time. Considering we just resuscitated Crowder back into Boston Jae, very possible Bradley does the same.

Don’t hate the idea of him starting next season if I’m honest.

Bradley / Dragic / Nunn
Robinson / Herro
Butler / Harkless
Adebayo / Achiuwa / Okpala
Leonard / Olynyk

Kinda wonder if Harkless will play almost exclusively at small ball 4 for us though. Guess it’ll be between him, Achiuwa and KZ for the backup 4 mins.

On depth, Nunn looks wasted as a third stringer. Surely someone needs a competent offensive guard?

Still want us to take a punt on Boogie idc idc idc
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Post#1785 » by dean456 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:12 am

Wiltside wrote:I think Avery Bradley is probably a bigger signing than we are giving him credit for. He’s been a very solid player for a long time. Considering we just resuscitated Crowder back into Boston Jae, very possible Bradley does the same.

Don’t hate the idea of him starting next season if I’m honest.

Bradley / Dragic / Nunn
Robinson / Herro
Butler / Harkless
Adebayo / Achiuwa / Okpala
Leonard / Olynyk

Kinda wonder if Harkless will play almost exclusively at small ball 4 for us though. Guess it’ll be between him, Achiuwa and KZ for the backup 4 mins.

On depth, Nunn looks wasted as a third stringer. Surely someone needs a competent offensive guard?

Still want us to take a punt on Boogie idc idc idc


I don't mind the idea of him starting but would prefer Tyler to get his starting spot this season. I think he deserves it and on the off chance we end up making a trade with him would be good to showcase that he can be a contributing starter in the league.

That being said I wouldn't be surprised if Nunn remains in that position for the same reason. If we aren't able to get a trade done in this offseason it will likely be because teams are low on Nunn and we might want to try boost his stock before the deadline.
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Post#1786 » by zgope1 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:16 am

Although a Nunn + Kelly trade seems to make a lot of sense, let’s assume we make no more trades


Starting lineup is very good

Bradley
Duncan
Jimmy
Bam
Leonard

Bradley helps Leonard stay out there by fighting over screens. Means Leonard can drop for pick and roll defence against the better guards.

Then a bench unit based around

Dragic
Herro
Iggy
Precious
KO

Is very multi talented. Harkless and KZ can give relief for the old Iggy.

Should be a fun season.

Closing lineups will revolve around whoever has it going
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Post#1787 » by dean456 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:38 am

zgope1 wrote:Although a Nunn + Kelly trade seems to make a lot of sense, let’s assume we make no more trades


Starting lineup is very good

Bradley
Duncan
Jimmy
Bam
Leonard

Bradley helps Leonard stay out there by fighting over screens. Means Leonard can drop for pick and roll defence against the better guards.

Then a bench unit based around

Dragic
Herro
Iggy
Precious
KO

Is very multi talented. Harkless and KZ can give relief for the old Iggy.

Should be a fun season.

Closing lineups will revolve around whoever has it going


Closing lineups will be interesting, I would imagine we'd want Dragic and Herro out there with Butler and Bam.

It's going to be tough to choose who to play between Dragic, Herro, Robinson and Bradley on any given night.
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Post#1788 » by IggieCC » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:51 am

Starting Bradley at PG might put too much ball handling/play making duties on Jimmy. Bradley is really an undersized defensive shooting guard at career apg/to of 1.8/1.4 (pretty consistently around that range too). Ofc he had a diminished role playing with LeBron last szn, but he was also kind of iffy with the ball.

Herro starting and Bradley coming in with Dragic might be an option too :dontknow:
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Post#1789 » by Wiltside » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:13 pm

IggieCC wrote:Starting Bradley at PG might put too much ball handling/play making duties on Jimmy. Bradley is really an undersized defensive shooting guard at career apg/to of 1.8/1.4 (pretty consistently around that range too). Ofc he had a diminished role playing with LeBron last szn, but he was also kind of iffy with the ball.

Herro starting and Bradley coming in with Dragic might be an option too :dontknow:


You might be right Iggs. Maybe Herro would be a better choice for additional playmaking ability and upside. I’m sure Bradley will still get plenty of burn though.
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Post#1790 » by IggieCC » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:49 pm

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IggieCC wrote:Starting Bradley at PG might put too much ball handling/play making duties on Jimmy. Bradley is really an undersized defensive shooting guard at career apg/to of 1.8/1.4 (pretty consistently around that range too). Ofc he had a diminished role playing with LeBron last szn, but he was also kind of iffy with the ball.

Herro starting and Bradley coming in with Dragic might be an option too :dontknow:


You might be right Iggs. Maybe Herro would be a better choice for additional playmaking ability and upside. I’m sure Bradley will still get plenty of burn though.

Oh you bet Wilts. The main sales pitch must have been that he'll get more involved in the offense and more mins (he only got 24 mins as a starter though he was injured often iirc). he isn't a spot up shooter, so he didn't look quite comfortable as a Laker. It's conceivable that he'll play a lot better in our motion offense like Jae.
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Post#1791 » by twix2500 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:00 pm

There are many lineups the Heat can run with. Like always, Spo never keeps the same lineups and rotations throughout the year.
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Post#1792 » by carnageta » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:14 pm

Haven’t seen this mentioned, but is it safe to assume Bradley won’t likely participate in the event of worsening COVID conditions?

After all, he did miss the bubble because of his reluctance to play due to the virus.. (remember his kid is highly vulnerable)

Interesting signing, because playing next season in arenas is probably not going to be safer than the bubble environment that was created over the summer, especially with all of the constant travelling.
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Post#1793 » by Vertical Limit » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:25 pm

Wiltside wrote:I think Avery Bradley is probably a bigger signing than we are giving him credit for. He’s been a very solid player for a long time. Considering we just resuscitated Crowder back into Boston Jae, very possible Bradley does the same.

Don’t hate the idea of him starting next season if I’m honest.

Bradley / Dragic / Nunn
Robinson / Herro
Butler / Harkless
Adebayo / Achiuwa / Okpala
Leonard / Olynyk

Kinda wonder if Harkless will play almost exclusively at small ball 4 for us though. Guess it’ll be between him, Achiuwa and KZ for the backup 4 mins.

On depth, Nunn looks wasted as a third stringer. Surely someone needs a competent offensive guard?

Still want us to take a punt on Boogie idc idc idc

He definitely is a bigger signing than most are giving credit for. He is in his prime, turns 30 in 6 days. He will take on the Steph Curry/Jamal Murray/other star pg defensive assignments and do it well. Thats a huge load off the rest of the team for those 30 minutes per game.
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Post#1794 » by HeatingUp3 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:53 pm

We still undersized in the post. I hope Riley is in talk with Boogie.
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Post#1795 » by SA37 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:10 pm

HeatingUp3 wrote:This kid is skilled. He can make it in the NBA if he shot like this.


I hadn't thought of this comparison immediately, but another guy he kind of reminds me of is Eddie House.

If Tyree becomes Eddie House-ish, even, and Precious a poor man's Myles Turner, that would be a pretty good haul for Miami.
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Post#1796 » by Kobewade11 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:13 pm

carnageta wrote:Haven’t seen this mentioned, but is it safe to assume Bradley won’t likely participate in the event of worsening COVID conditions?

After all, he did miss the bubble because of his reluctance to play due to the virus.. (remember his kid is highly vulnerable)

Interesting signing, because playing next season in arenas is probably not going to be safer than the bubble environment that was created over the summer, especially with all of the constant travelling.

If it gets to the point where the pandemic worsens and guys are testing positive the league is going to shut down again, this isnt the NFL.
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Post#1797 » by greg4012 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:16 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:You guys already know Bam’s people are in his ear asking about that rookie max extension Donovan and Tatum got. They dont give a **** about Rileys 2021 plan nor should Bam care about it, taking care of your own is important.

We will see how Riley handles that.


As if this hasn't been a transparent element discussed ad nauseum by the media, Heat fans, and Heat personnel over the past year plus.

If Bam and the Heat FO aren't already on the same page on this matter, then that is absolutely negligent
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Post#1798 » by SoFlaKingReal » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:23 pm

Bradley/Dragic
Robinson/Herro
Butler/Harkless
Bam/KZ
_______/Achiuwa


Heat are in position to add a Max Contract to that 9 players for '21-'22 season.
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Post#1799 » by AirP. » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:31 pm

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carnageta wrote:Haven’t seen this mentioned, but is it safe to assume Bradley won’t likely participate in the event of worsening COVID conditions?

After all, he did miss the bubble because of his reluctance to play due to the virus.. (remember his kid is highly vulnerable)

Interesting signing, because playing next season in arenas is probably not going to be safer than the bubble environment that was created over the summer, especially with all of the constant travelling.

If it gets to the point where the pandemic worsens and guys are testing positive the league is going to shut down again, this isnt the NFL.

They'll do the bubble again if they have to, nobody really wants to do that again but most players want to get paid and know they only have a limited amount of years to make NBA type money.
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Post#1800 » by AirP. » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:47 pm

So it's looking like Miami has decided to punt on roster development to have space for 2021. Hopefully they've taken in account that Butler is probably done with basketball after this current contract and with that, loosing a key piece of the team for nothing and having no real wiggle room to replace him(Bam max, Robinson paid, Herro getting paid, whoever they spend money on in 2021).

The clock is ticking with a very good player, and half his 4 year contract the FO has decided to limit the roster's talent by only offering 1-2 year contracts.

Here's an interview when early on in Philly, he's also mentioned this in other interviews...
Asked during Tuesday’s shootaround how he plans to perform in his mid-30s, when presumably he would be playing out the final years of his next deal, Butler instead set a deadline for his retirement.

“I don’t plan on playing this game when I’m 35 years old,” Butler said, per the Philadelphia Inquirer’s Keith Pompey. “So I’m not even worried about that. I’ll be done with this game before I’m 35.”

Wait, so how much before he turns 35 on Sept. 14, 2024? “That’s between me and whatever I tell myself later on,” added Butler. “But, I’m telling you right now, 35, I’m trying to be done before then.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/jimmy-butler-surprisingly-sets-deadline-retirement-next-contract-last-211737645.html

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