Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0

[Kobewade11]

SAS was on the OG poddy and they talked about it. The quote is a little misleading, no one was throwing shade at Herro both guys said they love Herro but SAS put out a challenge to Herro to step up and be that guy like everybody thinks he can be if he's tired of hearing his name attached to trades essentially.

Herro apparently got a bit butthurt hearing UD call him out on TV saying he's a 6th man and not a starter.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Herro for Bruce Brown saves Mia 6m and Brown is on an expiring.

With Tor electing not to resign Trent, maybe they’d be open to bringing on Herro to replace him

Raps has Dick already

Raps may have dick but according to Katya Herro doesn’t, stay tuned

[dshearn]

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CAMDEN, N.J. -- Caleb Martin turned down a deal that would have reportedly paid him $65 million over the next five seasons to stay with the Miami Heat and instead signed a four-year deal guaranteed for more than $32 million with the Philadelphia 76ers, a decision he's taking as a lesson and moving past.

"Just certain things didn't work," Martin said Tuesday at the Sixers' New Jersey complex. "There was a lot of things behind the scenes that went on. Ultimately, there was a lot in making that decision. There's a lot that contributed to how everything went. But past is past, can't do nothing about that.


Wonder what is going on behind the scenes...

Can't be nothing.....or why else leave 30m on the table ....

[Kobewade11]

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CAMDEN, N.J. -- Caleb Martin turned down a deal that would have reportedly paid him $65 million over the next five seasons to stay with the Miami Heat and instead signed a four-year deal guaranteed for more than $32 million with the Philadelphia 76ers, a decision he's taking as a lesson and moving past.

"Just certain things didn't work," Martin said Tuesday at the Sixers' New Jersey complex. "There was a lot of things behind the scenes that went on. Ultimately, there was a lot in making that decision. There's a lot that contributed to how everything went. But past is past, can't do nothing about that.


Wonder what is going on behind the scenes...

Can't be nothing.....or why else leave 30m on the table ....

He had to opt in to the last year of his contract in order to get that 4 year ‘extension’. The Heat advised his agent that the money wasnt going to be there after the opt-in deadline, once they (Martin/agent) realized the market wasnt as robust as they thought it would be they tried to circle back but at that point it was too late. It had to be done prior to make the math work unless he would take a paycut.

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[ZoStrong]

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CAMDEN, N.J. -- Caleb Martin turned down a deal that would have reportedly paid him $65 million over the next five seasons to stay with the Miami Heat and instead signed a four-year deal guaranteed for more than $32 million with the Philadelphia 76ers, a decision he's taking as a lesson and moving past.

"Just certain things didn't work," Martin said Tuesday at the Sixers' New Jersey complex. "There was a lot of things behind the scenes that went on. Ultimately, there was a lot in making that decision. There's a lot that contributed to how everything went. But past is past, can't do nothing about that.


Wonder what is going on behind the scenes...

Can't be nothing.....or why else leave 30m on the table ....

Just misjudging the market n opting out. Nothing to see further

[Flash4thewin]

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CAMDEN, N.J. -- Caleb Martin turned down a deal that would have reportedly paid him $65 million over the next five seasons to stay with the Miami Heat and instead signed a four-year deal guaranteed for more than $32 million with the Philadelphia 76ers, a decision he's taking as a lesson and moving past.

"Just certain things didn't work," Martin said Tuesday at the Sixers' New Jersey complex. "There was a lot of things behind the scenes that went on. Ultimately, there was a lot in making that decision. There's a lot that contributed to how everything went. But past is past, can't do nothing about that.


Wonder what is going on behind the scenes...

Can't be nothing.....or why else leave 30m on the table ....

He had to opt in to the last year of his contract in order to get that 4 year ‘extension’. The Heat advised his agent that the money wasnt going to be there after the opt-in deadline, once they (Martin/agent) realized the market wasnt as robust as they thought it would be they tried to circle back but at that point it was too late. It had to be done prior to make the math work unless he would take a paycut.

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Wait opt in and then he automatically gets the 4 years extension? Or opt in wait for the season to end and then get the extension? Those are two completely different things.

[SoFlaKingReal]

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CAMDEN, N.J. -- Caleb Martin turned down a deal that would have reportedly paid him $65 million over the next five seasons to stay with the Miami Heat and instead signed a four-year deal guaranteed for more than $32 million with the Philadelphia 76ers, a decision he's taking as a lesson and moving past.

"Just certain things didn't work," Martin said Tuesday at the Sixers' New Jersey complex. "There was a lot of things behind the scenes that went on. Ultimately, there was a lot in making that decision. There's a lot that contributed to how everything went. But past is past, can't do nothing about that.


Wonder what is going on behind the scenes...

Can't be nothing.....or why else leave 30m on the table ....

He had to opt in to the last year of his contract in order to get that 4 year ‘extension’. The Heat advised his agent that the money wasnt going to be there after the opt-in deadline, once they (Martin/agent) realized the market wasnt as robust as they thought it would be they tried to circle back but at that point it was too late. It had to be done prior to make the math work unless he would take a paycut.

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Wait opt in and then he automatically gets the 4 years extension? Or opt in wait for the season to end and then get the extension? Those are two completely different things.

Opt in and immediately be offered the extension.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Ainge probably asking for 2 1st in a Duncan or Herro dump lol

Didnt they just draft him?

Two firsts for a guy who was a late 1st? Did he do something I missed? Let me guess, hes the Wemby stopper?

Probably just Ainge being Ainge.

[Lennyzinho]

He had to opt in to the last year of his contract in order to get that 4 year ‘extension’. The Heat advised his agent that the money wasnt going to be there after the opt-in deadline, once they (Martin/agent) realized the market wasnt as robust as they thought it would be they tried to circle back but at that point it was too late. It had to be done prior to make the math work unless he would take a paycut.

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Wait opt in and then he automatically gets the 4 years extension? Or opt in wait for the season to end and then get the extension? Those are two completely different things.

Opt in and immediately be offered the extension.

Caleb just saying what he has to say.
He's not gonna bury his agent and be like "man this sucks, can't stand Philly... my agent fck'd me good"

He's talking up his current team and saying things could've been different but they weren't. Knowing that you couldn't get more than 8M more, if he's actually upset with miami for not offering 4-80M or something so that he would've stayed, he can eff off. Thank God we didn't offer what his agent thought was fair market value and thankful he turned down our 5-65M deal. There are way too many good nba players out there to be throwing 13-15M at caleb.

[SA37]

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CAMDEN, N.J. -- Caleb Martin turned down a deal that would have reportedly paid him $65 million over the next five seasons to stay with the Miami Heat and instead signed a four-year deal guaranteed for more than $32 million with the Philadelphia 76ers, a decision he's taking as a lesson and moving past.

"Just certain things didn't work," Martin said Tuesday at the Sixers' New Jersey complex. "There was a lot of things behind the scenes that went on. Ultimately, there was a lot in making that decision. There's a lot that contributed to how everything went. But past is past, can't do nothing about that.


Wonder what is going on behind the scenes...

Can't be nothing.....or why else leave 30m on the table ....

I had read that he had turned down an offer from Miami the pre-dated the Sixers offer, but DAMN. I mean, he took a $33M pay cut if those numbers are accurate. That is insane for a role player.

[SA37]

Collins and Clarkson for Duncan and Herro. Saved us 8 million. Utah gets younger version of Clarkson in Herro.

I'd absolutely do this, but I doubt Utah does this.

[Rapaz]

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▪ What’s the organization’s plan moving forward after a first-round loss to Boston and a relatively quiet first week of free agency, which included re-signing Kevin Love, Haywood Highsmith and Thomas Bryant; losing Caleb Martin; and adding skilled three-pointer shooter Alec Burks at the minimum?

The plan now is for patience and prudence, to wait for an opportunity to pounce when a player the Heat really likes becomes available in the trade market, with the hope that the other team likes Miami’s assets.

The Heat does not look at this as a situation where it absolutely must change its roster by the start of the season. While the Heat would like to upgrade, the Heat sees that opportunity being available all the way up until the Feb. 6 trade deadline. That’s how it’s being viewed internally.

▪ So why is Miami OK with keeping together a team that was the eighth seed the past two years?

The Heat still believes in Jimmy Butler and a core that made three deep playoff runs, and two Finals appearances, in five years.

Those playoff runs carry more weight, in Miami’s view, than the fact that the Heat finished with a top-four seed only once in the past five years (fifth, sixth, first, eighth and eighth).

Though the Heat knows an impactful addition from outside would be helpful to make the team a more serious title threat — and will continue to seek one — the organization decided there’s no need to blow up the roster, trade Butler at this time or make a lateral move simply for change’s sake.

The Heat’s belief is that health and game availability — not a serious talent deficit — is what mostly has held Miami back. That conclusion did not change during an offseason evaluation, even with an acknowledgment that more is probably needed to win a title.

▪ Is the Heat in the mix for any of the players bandied about publicly in trades?

As of early this week, nothing was imminent.

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If Spoelstra is overseeing the offense, the US is going down

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▪ What’s the organization’s plan moving forward after a first-round loss to Boston and a relatively quiet first week of free agency, which included re-signing Kevin Love, Haywood Highsmith and Thomas Bryant; losing Caleb Martin; and adding skilled three-pointer shooter Alec Burks at the minimum?

The plan now is for patience and prudence, to wait for an opportunity to pounce when a player the Heat really likes becomes available in the trade market, with the hope that the other team likes Miami’s assets.

The Heat does not look at this as a situation where it absolutely must change its roster by the start of the season. While the Heat would like to upgrade, the Heat sees that opportunity being available all the way up until the Feb. 6 trade deadline. That’s how it’s being viewed internally.

▪ So why is Miami OK with keeping together a team that was the eighth seed the past two years?

The Heat still believes in Jimmy Butler and a core that made three deep playoff runs, and two Finals appearances, in five years.

Those playoff runs carry more weight, in Miami’s view, than the fact that the Heat finished with a top-four seed only once in the past five years (fifth, sixth, first, eighth and eighth).

Though the Heat knows an impactful addition from outside would be helpful to make the team a more serious title threat — and will continue to seek one — the organization decided there’s no need to blow up the roster, trade Butler at this time or make a lateral move simply for change’s sake.

The Heat’s belief is that health and game availability — not a serious talent deficit — is what mostly has held Miami back. That conclusion did not change during an offseason evaluation, even with an acknowledgment that more is probably needed to win a title.

▪ Is the Heat in the mix for any of the players bandied about publicly in trades?

As of early this week, nothing was imminent.

That is a depressing read...

[MettaWorldPanda]

Collins and Clarkson for Duncan and Herro. Saved us 8 million. Utah gets younger version of Clarkson in Herro.

I'd absolutely do this, but I doubt Utah does this.

My only hope with this deal is that a 2026 2nd and 2029 swap gets the deal over the top. Hope that they want to get rid of Collins to make more time for Henricks and Filipowski. Clarkson is 32 so they get 8 years younger with Herro and Duncan is pretty much an expiring next year or a contract that Ainge can flip easily to a contender in need of shooting. It could potentially have some legs if you look at it in the grand scheme that Ainge is swapping Collins contract with Herro's while replacing Clarkson with a younger version of that type of player. Clarkson and Collins would provide us some great depth that's for sure.

[SA37]

Collins and Clarkson for Duncan and Herro. Saved us 8 million. Utah gets younger version of Clarkson in Herro.

I'd absolutely do this, but I doubt Utah does this.

My only hope with this deal is that a 2026 2nd and 2029 swap gets the deal over the top. Hope that they want to get rid of Collins to make more time for Henricks and Filipowski. Clarkson is 32 so they get 8 years younger with Herro and Duncan is pretty much an expiring next year or a contract that Ainge can flip easily to a contender in need of shooting. It could potentially have some legs. Clarkson and Collins would provide us some great depth that's for sure.

I don't think Miami thinks that highly of Collins or Clarkson. In general, Riley likes to stick with what he's got rather than making trades that don't bring in stars/highly rated veterans who may or may not be on the decline (like Chris Paul or Kyle Lowry).

I personally like Collins as a player despite his limitations. I think he'd be an excellent fit with Adebayo because he can shoot the 3 and I think his rebounding and athleticism would be helpful. Clarkson would be a willing 6th man, which Herro is not.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I'd absolutely do this, but I doubt Utah does this.

My only hope with this deal is that a 2026 2nd and 2029 swap gets the deal over the top. Hope that they want to get rid of Collins to make more time for Henricks and Filipowski. Clarkson is 32 so they get 8 years younger with Herro and Duncan is pretty much an expiring next year or a contract that Ainge can flip easily to a contender in need of shooting. It could potentially have some legs. Clarkson and Collins would provide us some great depth that's for sure.

I don't think Miami thinks that highly of Collins or Clarkson. In general, Riley likes to stick with what he's got rather than making trades that don't bring in stars/highly rated veterans who may or may not be on the decline (like Chris Paul or Kyle Lowry).

I personally like Collins as a player despite his limitations. I think he'd be an excellent fit with Adebayo because he can shoot the 3 and I think his rebounding and athleticism would be helpful. Clarkson would be a willing 6th man, which Herro is not.

This is what the FO's major problem is. They keep on thinking there in the race for all these star players but yet all we have in the cupboard right now is one 2030 1st rd pick to trade and 2 seconds 2026 and 2031. That's 3 picks compared to some of these teams around the league that are flaunting cupboards of 20 picks or more. Really sad state right now. This deal though seems nominal on the surface would be something similar to when we dealt Winslow for Crowder and Iguodala. That move was clowned by many but ended up putting the team that year over the top. I could see a similar situation with Collins and Clarkson. Especially with them both playing the roles are that needed here.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Micky is in line to pay a 33 million dollar tax bill on this team next year LOL. I don't see anyway he pays anywhere close to that. The deal involving Rozier for Lowry last year saved him close to 16 million towards the tax bill alone. Lowry made 30 million to Rozier's 23 million last year. I could definitely see us doing a similar deal again here soon like that. The Clarkson and Collins for Herro and Robinson deal meets that similar objective.

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▪ What’s the organization’s plan moving forward after a first-round loss to Boston and a relatively quiet first week of free agency, which included re-signing Kevin Love, Haywood Highsmith and Thomas Bryant; losing Caleb Martin; and adding skilled three-pointer shooter Alec Burks at the minimum?

The plan now is for patience and prudence, to wait for an opportunity to pounce when a player the Heat really likes becomes available in the trade market, with the hope that the other team likes Miami’s assets.

The Heat does not look at this as a situation where it absolutely must change its roster by the start of the season. While the Heat would like to upgrade, the Heat sees that opportunity being available all the way up until the Feb. 6 trade deadline. That’s how it’s being viewed internally.

▪ So why is Miami OK with keeping together a team that was the eighth seed the past two years?

The Heat still believes in Jimmy Butler and a core that made three deep playoff runs, and two Finals appearances, in five years.

Those playoff runs carry more weight, in Miami’s view, than the fact that the Heat finished with a top-four seed only once in the past five years (fifth, sixth, first, eighth and eighth).

Though the Heat knows an impactful addition from outside would be helpful to make the team a more serious title threat — and will continue to seek one — the organization decided there’s no need to blow up the roster, trade Butler at this time or make a lateral move simply for change’s sake.

The Heat’s belief is that health and game availability — not a serious talent deficit — is what mostly has held Miami back. That conclusion did not change during an offseason evaluation, even with an acknowledgment that more is probably needed to win a title.

▪ Is the Heat in the mix for any of the players bandied about publicly in trades?

As of early this week, nothing was imminent.

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