2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2

[SerialChiller]

This front office (for better or worse) has a hardline attitude about extending/re-signing players. Butler for years has said he loves Miami, wants to retire with the Heat, etc. But when it came time for him to back that talk up, it really is just about the size of his next extension. I don’t blame Butler one bit, but clearly he really doesn’t care if he’s in Miami or not.

I bet if we put a proper team around him he'd be willing to negotiate more. We didn't so why should he lose money to never win a title despite dragging us there twice miraculously. He saw first hand already how that worked for Wade.

[AirP.]

I liked the Heat management too until they did this to Wade. Wade took paycuts and drew in stars. Butler brought them to miracle finals without them going all in for his timeline. Now it's a cold bye...

Either something's changed or the FO was never really in this situation before to show who they were, for UD they just kept him on the roster on a minimum which also benefited the Heat since the NBA pays part of that salary (as a veteran). Maybe LeBron was right for leaving when he did, maybe he saw this as being a possibilityy for him too in the future.

Wade becoming a part owner in the Jazz made it pretty clear to me. This organization isn't what it's public reputation is made out to be. It's crazy you diss Spo or Riley on the general board and draw instant hate...people just think they're all that.

Riley's had a legendary career, I just happen to think he lost his fastball. Spoelstra, I think he gets way more out his talent than most coaches would. During the last 5 years, at no time have I looked at this roster and said this is a top 5 roster in the NBA for any particular season, and that's with Miami being basically gifted Butler, they've had 5 years and really added mostly nothing other than having a couple of their own mid 1st round picks become good players. I keep hearing Lowry brought up by a certain podcast but that was to try to placate Butler after letting the Finals roster get worse in some hope that Ginnis would not only not take the super-max but would sign with Miami the next season. Precious, Jovic, Jaquez Jr, Ware and a 1st that went to Charolotte, 5 1st round picks draft picks in half a decade since adding Butler that didn't much for the roster. This is the FO fans expect to build a championship roster without being given a gift of a star for nearly nothing?

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[AirP.]

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Now is the worst time to get assets back for Butler. But think of it this way, Miami only gave up Richardson and 1st for Butler, toss in Whiteside being rerouted in that if you want but you got a solid role-player in Leonard for that. So, in all reality, Miami should be able to get more out of Butler even now than they gave up for him. The trade for Butler was a win, it should have been a bigger win but I think the FO saw Butler as just a way to stay competitive and going past the 1st round was a fluke and the whole time was looking for what's next the whole Butler era in Miami.

[BlueHeat]

Does anyone give a flying F what Barry says? Dude has like 0 pulse on the org for some reason. Bizarre.


Any chance we can get Ingram and Zion in a Butler trade? lol. I'd do it.

[SerialChiller]

Either something's changed or the FO was never really in this situation before to show who they were, for UD they just kept him on the roster on a minimum which also benefited the Heat since the NBA pays part of that salary (as a veteran). Maybe LeBron was right for leaving when he did, maybe he saw this as being a possibilityy for him too in the future.

Wade becoming a part owner in the Jazz made it pretty clear to me. This organization isn't what it's public reputation is made out to be. It's crazy you diss Spo or Riley on the general board and draw instant hate...people just think they're all that.

Riley's had a legendary career, I just happen to think he lost his fastball. Spoelstra, I think he gets way more out his talent than most coaches would. During the last 5 years, at no time have I looked at this roster and said this is a top 5 roster in the NBA for any particular season, and that's with Miami being basically gifted Butler, they've had 5 years and really added mostly nothing other than having a couple of their own mid 1st round picks become good players. I keep hearing Lowry brought up by a certain podcast but that was to try to placate Butler after letting the Finals roster get worse in some hope that Ginnis would not only not take the super-max but would sign with Miami the next season. Precious, Jovic, Jaquez Jr, Ware and a 1st that went to Charolotte, 5 1st round picks draft picks in half a decade since adding Butler that didn't much for the roster. This is the FO fans expect to build a championship roster without being given a gift of a star for nearly nothing?

Yeah like I don't ever try an dispute their past success and great careers, but it's like you can't even criticize them for anything without getting jumped on by either blind Heat fans or casual NBA fans who watch like 1 Heat game or 2 a year. It's bad here and it needs to be acknowledged not ignored I don't care about the past sports are a what have you done lately business. In Riley's and Spo's cases...it's not good.

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[twix2500]

There really isn’t much to negotiate. Both sides already expressed what they want. It’s up to one side to change their minds.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Does anyone give a flying F what Barry says? Dude has like 0 pulse on the org for some reason. Bizarre.


Any chance we can get Ingram and Zion in a Butler trade? lol. I'd do it.

Barry has essentially become a fancier version of 5 reasons

[SerialChiller]

5 reasons followed my small gaming YT channel on twitter haha I don't take them too seriously.

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Two questions what is NO asking and what is Ingram asking.

However I am starting to think the Heat are leaning towards likely resigning Butler. Heat have way too many young players to compete for a title. Butler contract is the first domino before anything happens

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[MartyConlonJr]

There is absolutely the Riley argument that we paid Jimmy to be the max player - He is paid more than Giannis, LeBron, AD, Luka, etc. He is the 11th highest paid player and only 2.5 mill off being the 2nd highest paid in the league. We always talk about not getting him a star, he is/was the star. We look at the Denver finals as a miracle run, Riley may look at it like, well that's what a max superstar should do, will their team to championships.

But you can definitely see Jimmy's side that he never got the support to win. I think that's the problem with max capped contracts, is Jimmy a secondary player in need of an alpha, or is he the alpha?

[Enso]

There is absolutely the Riley argument that we paid Jimmy to be the max player - He is paid more than Giannis, LeBron, AD, Luka, etc. He is the 11th highest paid player and only 2.5 mill off being the 2nd highest paid in the league. We always talk about not getting him a star, he is/was the star. We look at the Denver finals as a miracle run, Riley may look at it like, well that's what a max superstar should do, will their team to championships.

But you can definitely see Jimmy's side that he never got the support to win. I think that's the problem with max capped contracts, is Jimmy a secondary player in need of an alpha, or is he the alpha?

We put some decent rosters together for him. I think the two biggest mistakes were not re signing pj Tucker and the over pay for Lowry. Trading for Lowry was fine, he was a stabilizing veteran presence, but the over pay killed us. He was nowhere near worth what he got.

[SerialChiller]

Pat Riley goin Fox hunting with a raccoon budget.

I actually went to a dog kennel to pick out a Jack Russell Terrier as a kid with my dad and the stud there named Reflex was an insane fox hunter. The guy took us out and sent him down a foxhole, this little dog was JACKED like as if on steroids but looked like wishbone and after 2 hrs it came up with 2 dead foxes brought them out 1 by 1 and my dad was like ok give me one of his puppies haha. Honestly raccoons might be more vicious then foxes idk.

Just to add to this story...his puppy we named Bounder and he was our 2nd male Jack Russell dog and submitted to our smaller and weaker but older one for a few years. We had to make sure to feed him because the other one tried to starve him. The older one was named Zach and they'd play fight and Bounder would win every single time easily but Zach would growl from underneath him and he'd hop off and cower. But once he was gone Bounder became an absolute wild beast. He was like a 18 lb dog chasing black bears and broke off his leash when my sister had him out front to bite someone (on the sidewalk literally a few feet away from our front door so not as bad as it sounds sort of lol) and then we had to give him away out in the country and he killed the stud dog at that place and all the squirrels and chipmunks in the area that taunted all the other dogs they could never get. It was just insane how good a killer he was.

I watched him walk the tall grassline one time at the end of the yard and he just swiped a paw into the tall grass and a mouse came flying out with it. He bit it's head off a half second later and kept walking. Just a stone cold killer he didn't even want to eat it. Zach would play with the mice for hours without killing them.

Then a school bus hit him. I didn't find that out until about 10 years later. Moral of the story is let the youth get confident and dominate like Ware haha. We are an old team sorely lacking for athletes and size. Start getting that out there they have the tools but just need the confidence. Hold them back too long and you ruin them.

[twix2500]

There is absolutely the Riley argument that we paid Jimmy to be the max player - He is paid more than Giannis, LeBron, AD, Luka, etc. He is the 11th highest paid player and only 2.5 mill off being the 2nd highest paid in the league. We always talk about not getting him a star, he is/was the star. We look at the Denver finals as a miracle run, Riley may look at it like, well that's what a max superstar should do, will their team to championships.

But you can definitely see Jimmy's side that he never got the support to win. I think that's the problem with max capped contracts, is Jimmy a secondary player in need of an alpha, or is he the alpha?

We put some decent rosters together for him. I think the two biggest mistakes were not re signing pj Tucker and the over pay for Lowry. Trading for Lowry was fine, he was a stabilizing veteran presence, but the over pay killed us. He was nowhere near worth what he got.

The mistake wasnt trading for Lowry. The failure was Oladipo knee and Duncan going in the tank mentally. If Dipo got healthy the Heat would of retained Iggy, Dragic and Precious and not trade for Lowry. Iggy, Dragic and Precious could of been added depth or used to acquire another player. Iggy and Dragic would of been expiring contracts the following year and Precious could stayed on the Heat development plan. If Oladipo and Duncan didnt fail the Heat may have a title. People quickly forget regardless of what happened to Duncan and Dipo, the Heat finished with the best record in the east. A flourishing Oladipo and Duncan would have been the x factor in beating Celtics, along with possibly keeping Dragic and Iggy for the playoff run. The only thing the Heat may have not signed Martin depending on what they did with Dragic and Iggy. At the very less their would of been more flexibility.

PG: Oladipo - Dragic - Vincent
SG: Butler - Herro - Iggy - Martin
SF: Robinson - Struss - Highsmith
PF: Tucker - Morris
Ce: Adebayo - Precious - Dedmon - Yurtseven

[batterybro42]

TRADE BUTLER

I don’t know why Miami is tolerating this BS

UD needs to show up and check this dude

Riley created this circus when he didn’t trade Butler after not giving him the extension.

Nope Jimmy is the entire issue here. Shouldn’t play another minute for Miami let him sit and make coffee and quirky IG posts

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He doesnt know it but Carlos college career would of been different if I didnt turn down an opportunity

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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He doesnt know it but Carlos college career would of been different if I didnt turn down an opportunity

I’m giving you 50 at minimum