2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

[Big Dee Chi-Born]

1. Trade Bam to whichever team loses the finals and get at least 4 1sts.

2. Try to find a way to get 2 1sts from someone for Herro. Maybe the pelicans.

3. Take on a terrible contract and a pick(s) for Wiggins to a contender.

4. Dangle Terry and Duncan’s expirings for assets to bail teams outs of bad contracts.

5. Trade Spo to one of the teams with a coaching opening for picks.

6. Lock Patrick away in a nursing home

7. Sell the team like the Lakers just did

Lock in Micky!!!!

I’m with you when you’re right!

[RexBoyWonder]

It's not a rout we often used, but ATM it's the only logical and proven rout back to contention :



1) accept it's not our time. Acceptance is the first step in solving any problem.

2) use the next couple of years to build for the future, not for the now. See step 1.

This means :

A) Sell off anything you don't plan to use in the next build. We can take on bad money and/or worse players then the ones we give out - anything and everything that nets us positive useful future assets - be it picks, or young players.

B) Do anything possible to make sure we develop and maximize out young talent. This should override the Wins and losses columns. We need not priorities randoms wins that will lead to no where but the play-in, we need to make sure the young talent gets the most reps and every opportunity to either gain value to be used in future moves, or prove to be worthy of being part of the next build.

C) An added bonus to the approach described in step B - We need to maximize the draft. The next 2 drafts should net us 2 high lottery picks. That type of talent injection coupled with the surrounding steps will result in a young team with young talent, upside, assets, and flexibility to be truly back into relevancy for the 2027-2028 season.

You make the painful necessary steps now so we could shorten the time period we're currently in - stuck on the treadmill going nowhere with no ways to improve. The worst spot to be in.


In the time, we shouldn't sweat the L's - we've had enough winning over the years. Embrace the development of the kids think of the bigger picture and hopefully long term success that awaits us if we strategize and plan long term instead of chasing our own tails and trying to make magic runs with underwhelming talent.


This is the path. I hope you'll follow, and the front office sees the light as well.

[Lilseb93]

Very well said...I honestly don't know what 80 year old Riley is hanging around for at this point. There are so many bad vibes around the team right now, ownership and the front office can't be COMPLETELY unaware of this.

We need a complete re-set for all involved.

It's the result of winning. Everyone expects the Dolphins and Marlins to be bad and make terrible decisions. The Heat have higher expectations. People always expect them to be a quality organization that carries sports down here. When they don't live up to their reputation, it makes people even more upset. It's the same with Lakers or Celtics fans. I mean, it's toxic, yes, but it brings success. We could all just be like the Timberwolves or Hornets and celebrate making a run one time 10 years ago, but we're the Lakers of the East essentially. We win with stars, and people expect success. It's just how our fanbase is for the good and the bad.

Ya, but the disrespect I see towards Riley is nuts. I think he should retire because he's old and has lost his fastball, but you wont see me crossing that the line into that idiocy that it seems a lot of our fan base resides.

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I still respect Pat Riley too much to go as far as others even if I want him to retire as well. I'm not defending the fans, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying I get why people get as mad as they do. I'm frustrated too, but let's not cross the line.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

It handicaps us from doing anything with those assets for 2 years.

Good thing they’re likely 2030 and later then. I mean what’s the alternative? Suck for the next 2 years and just do it with less assets than we could have by adding Beal? What is this front office getting done with our current assets this summer or the next to complete for a championship?

You're not getting more than a pick from the Suns, so even if you traded away Herro and Bam for two haul, you'd be wasting 2 years no real reason.
If any stars becomes available in those two years, now you have to deal with Beals fat ass contract when building around them. Or try to convince Beal is some star to pair with the star coming to the Heat. It makes more sense to trade away Herro and Bam alone.

You’re wrong but we can agree to disagree

[Lilseb93]

It's not a rout we often used, but ATM it's the only logical and proven rout back to contention :



1) accept it's not our time. Acceptance is the first step in solving any problem.

2) use the next couple of years to build for the future, not for the now. See step 1.

This means :

A) Sell off anything you don't plan to use in the next build. We can take on bad money and/or worse players then the ones we give out - anything and everything that nets us positive useful future assets - be it picks, or young players.

B) Do anything possible to make sure we develop and maximize out young talent. This should override the Wins and losses columns. We need not priorities randoms wins that will lead to no where but the play-in, we need to make sure the young talent gets the most reps and every opportunity to either gain value to be used in future moves, or prove to be worthy of being part of the next build.

C) An added bonus to the approach described in step B - We need to maximize the draft. The next 2 drafts should net us 2 high lottery picks. That type of talent injection coupled with the surrounding steps will result in a young team with young talent, upside, assets, and flexibility to be truly back into relevancy for the 2027-2028 season.

You make the painful necessary steps now so we could shorten the time period we're currently in - stuck on the treadmill going nowhere with no ways to improve. The worst spot to be in.


In the time, we shouldn't sweat the L's - we've had enough winning over the years. Embrace the development of the kids think of the bigger picture and hopefully long term success that awaits us if we strategize and plan long term instead of chasing our own tails and trying to make magic runs with underwhelming talent.


This is the path. I hope you'll follow, and the front office sees the light as well.

This is the path I'm hoping for at this point. There is no way to get enough talent here to compete for an actual title. This is the only path for this franchise right now.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I'm 32. I wasn't saying the Heat org is as bad as the Dolphins and Marlins. I'm saying it's likely going to be a rough season next year, along with those teams. Just like last year.

I agree but sometimes you gotta take your medicine to improve.

The best thing that ever happened to this franchise, or 2nd depending on how much you value Riley’s arrival, was drafting that kid out of Marquette in 2003. That doesn’t happen if we didn’t have a couple years in the dumps.

Not saying we should tank, but maybe it’s time to let the chips fall where they may instead of always trading 2 dollars tomorrow for a dollar today.

And the Heat was in the "dumps" not because Miami decided to blow it up and go after assets, but because Alonzo Mourning had a kidney disease. At that time, a poster on here called BBallFreak and I went back and forth endlessly discussing what Miami should do. I wanted Miami to dump Brian Grant and Eddie Jones for expirings and any draft capital it could muster. Even in the face of having two overpaid guys on max deals and the center of Miami's plans getting a kidney transplant, Riley never moved them for expiring contracts and draft assets.

Miami traded Eddie Jones for Antoine Walker and James Posey and Brian Grant was part of the package that went to LA for Shaq.

The larger point here is Riley would rather hang on to vets and try to make the playoffs than trade them for expirings and draft assets. This has been the case since he has been the head of basketball operations in Miami.

This is correct. Any notion of them blowing it up is a tired exercise. Clearly they like this core and will look to build around it as best as they can. Holding out the young guys in this last deal clearly states they value there development here

[Vertical Limit]

If we are doing long term rebuild, At this point im okay with Beals contract if it means Phoenix is going to send a bunch of picks back for us to absorb that deal


Beal, 3 firsts (include the #10 you just got from Houston) for Herro, Robinson

[Lilseb93]

I agree but sometimes you gotta take your medicine to improve.

The best thing that ever happened to this franchise, or 2nd depending on how much you value Riley’s arrival, was drafting that kid out of Marquette in 2003. That doesn’t happen if we didn’t have a couple years in the dumps.

Not saying we should tank, but maybe it’s time to let the chips fall where they may instead of always trading 2 dollars tomorrow for a dollar today.

And the Heat was in the "dumps" not because Miami decided to blow it up and go after assets, but because Alonzo Mourning had a kidney disease. At that time, a poster on here called BBallFreak and I went back and forth endlessly discussing what Miami should do. I wanted Miami to dump Brian Grant and Eddie Jones for expirings and any draft capital it could muster. Even in the face of having two overpaid guys on max deals and the center of Miami's plans getting a kidney transplant, Riley never moved them for expiring contracts and draft assets.

Miami traded Eddie Jones for Antoine Walker and James Posey and Brian Grant was part of the package that went to LA for Shaq.

The larger point here is Riley would rather hang on to vets and try to make the playoffs than trade them for expirings and draft assets. This has been the case since he has been the head of basketball operations in Miami.

This is correct. Any notion of them blowing it up is a tired exercise. Clearly they like this core and will look to build around it as best as they can.

That is true, though. They aren't going to blow it up, so our best bet is to hope our young guys continue to develop and they become great players or at least positive trade assets in the future.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[SoFlaKingReal]

They aren't going to go "all-in".

They aren't going to blow up the roster.


So where does that leave us? Running it back again.

[MettaWorldPanda]

And the Heat was in the "dumps" not because Miami decided to blow it up and go after assets, but because Alonzo Mourning had a kidney disease. At that time, a poster on here called BBallFreak and I went back and forth endlessly discussing what Miami should do. I wanted Miami to dump Brian Grant and Eddie Jones for expirings and any draft capital it could muster. Even in the face of having two overpaid guys on max deals and the center of Miami's plans getting a kidney transplant, Riley never moved them for expiring contracts and draft assets.

Miami traded Eddie Jones for Antoine Walker and James Posey and Brian Grant was part of the package that went to LA for Shaq.

The larger point here is Riley would rather hang on to vets and try to make the playoffs than trade them for expirings and draft assets. This has been the case since he has been the head of basketball operations in Miami.

This is correct. Any notion of them blowing it up is a tired exercise. Clearly they like this core and will look to build around it as best as they can.

That is true, though. They aren't going to blow it up, so our best bet is to hope our young guys continue to develop and they become great players or at least positive trade assets in the future.

I’m on board with extending Niko and letting JJJ get a good amount of minutes. Need to get off Wiggins ASAP.

[MettaWorldPanda]

They aren't going to go "all-in".

They aren't going to blow up the roster.


So where does that leave us? Running it back again.

Work around the edges while developing the young guys and keeping cap space open to take on contracts and asset build next year.

[iamoti]

Castle + 2nd pick (Dylan Harper) + 1 or 2 more future 1sts for Bam

Then Tyler for a PF and we are set

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San Antonio would never do that lmao
Who do you guys think Bam is? He's very good, but thats a super star package you put forth.

Why? Bam with Wemby behind him is like the ultimate build. Add Fox to that and You are going to be the nr1 defensive team for the next 5 years at least. 2 decent wings who can space the floor and you are a contender.



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[SoFlaKingReal]

Castle + 2nd pick (Dylan Harper) + 1 or 2 more future 1sts for Bam

Then Tyler for a PF and we are set

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San Antonio would never do that lmao
Who do you guys think Bam is? He's very good, but thats a super star package you put forth.

Why? Bam with Wemby behind him is like the ultimate build. Add Fox to that and You are going to be the nr1 defensive team for the next 5 years at least. 2 decent wings who can space the floor and you are a contender.



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How about Giannis next to Wemby instead....Spurs got their sights on much bigger fish than Bam prolly.

[Vertical Limit]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

I know not popular with many but Jrue Holliday could still be an option in a Boston Salary dump for Rozier and Highsmith. This group needs to be led by a tough vet PG that can play defense and help the young guys out. Holliday with Mitchell behind him could be a force defensive pairing.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Durant is such a weasel.....if he ever really wanted to be here, then we wouldve been.

Remember, it was the Heat and Suns battling for him two years ago. I bet the Suns wish they didnt win that one. We'd be sitting here in two years feeling like the Suns do now.

Another bullet dodged.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Durant is such a weasel.....if he ever really wanted to be here, then we wouldve been.

Remember, it was the Heat and Suns battling for him two years ago. I bet the Suns wish they didnt win that one. We'd be sitting here in two years feeling like the Suns do now.

Another bullet dodged.

Bam/Jimmy had us in the finals and we pretend like we’re better off not adding KD/Dame/Kyrie/Harden/Mitchell etc. to that

[iamoti]

San Antonio would never do that lmao
Who do you guys think Bam is? He's very good, but thats a super star package you put forth.

Why? Bam with Wemby behind him is like the ultimate build. Add Fox to that and You are going to be the nr1 defensive team for the next 5 years at least. 2 decent wings who can space the floor and you are a contender.



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How about Giannis next to Wemby instead....Spurs got their sights on much bigger fish than Bam prolly.

I'll give you that but we donno if Giannis is for sale

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[Vertical Limit]

Give Davion his QO
Trade Herro
Do not extend Herro, Jovic, Highsmith
Release Robinson
Buyout Rozier
Trade Wiggins and Kyle for expirings.. if picks are available for Wiggins to take back a contract, consider it
Jovic JJJ Ware and Larrson in summer league


A very productive summer can still be had, lets start crossing things off the list