Roster moves in off-season.

[Flash4thewin]

FYI, Bam won't be completely immune from trade talk.

I suspect Riley will be having internal workshops on how to get Emiid on this roster.

Granted, the idea is a long shot, though.

I think the biggest problem is that Butler is no Wade. Im not talking about on the court but off the court. Wade knew how to make friends, how to get into peoples ears etc. Butler is clearly not that guy, hes not a recruiter. If you dont have someone like that, you can show up wearing all the rings you want and get rejected.

Durant said nah to us twice and went with Golden State, then he went to the Nets. Giannis was like nah man and won a ring last year after sweeping us. We need a Wade level recruiter.

I'm not really with this narrative.

Wade is probably over credited with the acqusitions of Lebron and Bosh.

Those guys wanted out of their situations first and foremost and found Mia to be an attractive place to go.

Regarding Giannis, he clearly wasnt ready to leave Mil and I suspect no amount of persuasive power would have changed his mind at that particular point in time.

Same situation is happening with Beal.

Furthermore, Lowry is here because of Jimmy. Despite his subpar playoff performance, he was a coveted acquiation.

Butler said Dwyane Wade, the Heat legend who retired after the 2018-19 campaign, played a key role in convincing him to join Miami in the offseason.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2855586-heats-jimmy-butler-on-how-dwyane-wade-recruited-him-if-hes-an-a-hole-and-more

[Rapaz]

Woah woah woah, be careful giving that one a reasonable basketball take that doesn’t involve trading everyone and firing everyone!

FYI, Bam won't be completely immune from trade talk.

I suspect Riley will be having internal workshops on how to get Emiid on this roster.

Granted, the idea is a long shot, though.

I think the biggest problem is that Butler is no Wade. Im not talking about on the court but off the court. Wade knew how to make friends, how to get into peoples ears etc. Butler is clearly not that guy, hes not a recruiter. If you dont have someone like that, you can show up wearing all the rings you want and get rejected.

Durant said nah to us twice and went with Golden State, then he went to the Nets. Giannis was like nah man and won a ring last year after sweeping us. We need a Wade level recruiter.

Don't know if there's any truth to this, from 2018:

A league source close to the situation told the Sun-Times on Tuesday that Kyrie Irving and former Bulls All-Star Jimmy Butler are still trying to figure out a way to play together. Whether that means the Celtics try and acquire Butler this summer or the two simply wait a year, both opt out of their player options after the season, and join forces that way.

Either way, the two former Team USA Basketball teammates are looking for a destination to build an elite backcourt, whether that's in Celtics green or elsewhere in the East.

Last summer, a month before Irving told the Cavs’ front office he was looking to get out of Cleveland, with the Bulls on his wish list, he let Butler and several other former Team USA teammates know first. A source said Butler, still with the Bulls, told general manager Gar Forman and vice president of basketball John Paxson that Irving wanted out, but the two knew they didn’t have the assets to trade for him, even if they got a third team involved. Instead, the Bulls blew up their roster and sent Butler to Minnesota.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/jimmy-butler-and-kyrie-irving-could-have-plans-to-try-and-take-over-the-east/

And also this:

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[Rapaz]

And let us not forget Pat's love of Kyrie:

“Cleveland lost who I thought was next to Steph Curry, the best true point guard both ways in Kyrie Irving[.]"

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article174780746.html

[DayofMourning]

Oh yeah. We def getting Kyrie. It was nice knowing you Herro.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Lowry will be coming back next year. Not getting traded. Bam,Butler, and Lowry are the sure things. Everyone else is on the block. The most likely addition imo to this core is Jerami Grant with some bench tweaks.

[contract]

And let us not forget Pat's love of Kyrie:

“Cleveland lost who I thought was next to Steph Curry, the best true point guard both ways in Kyrie Irving[.]"

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article174780746.html

Not likely. Kyrie would have to get vaccinated against the "Disease of Me" first, and we all know how he feels about vaccines.

[Kobewade11]

Jimmy is plenty connected throughout the league, we can kill that narrative.

[MettaWorldPanda]

And let us not forget Pat's love of Kyrie:

“Cleveland lost who I thought was next to Steph Curry, the best true point guard both ways in Kyrie Irving[.]"

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article174780746.html

Not likely. Kyrie would have to get vaccinated against the "Disease of Me" first, and we all know how he feels about vaccines.

Pat and the organization seemed to have a hard core stance on the vaccine. Kyrie is not coming here and Lowry is staying put for at least another year. Butler has to get Lowry to commit to the offseason conditioning program.

[Rapaz]

And let us not forget Pat's love of Kyrie:

“Cleveland lost who I thought was next to Steph Curry, the best true point guard both ways in Kyrie Irving[.]"

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article174780746.html

Not likely. Kyrie would have to get vaccinated against the "Disease of Me" first, and we all know how he feels about vaccines.

If Riles could tolerate LeBron, whose "Disease of Me" is a full-blown terminal illness, I'm sure he could manage Kyrie.

[HeatFanLifer]

Lowry will be coming back next year. Not getting traded. Bam,Butler, and Lowry are the sure things. Everyone else is on the block. The most likely addition imo to this core is Jerami Grant with some bench tweaks.

Lowry should be a backup pg at this point. No reason to play him 30+ mins per game. An overpriced backup pg, sure. But he can bring some championship knowledge to the team.

As far as offseason priorities, I think the number one priority needs to be getting rid of DROB. Unless that dude had some injury noone off the team knows about, he is completely checked out of the team after he got his pay. Spo gave him more chances than any other player that I have seen.

[Beenie]

Spitballing 10 names:

Klay Thompson (Warriors cant pay everyone and Poole has shown signs that he can be the team's longterm answer at SG)
- They'll want salary relief and picks

DeAngelo Russell (He's allegedly falling out of favor in Minnesota.)
- They seem intent on competing now so there might be an opening for Mia to get off of Lowry if Minny finds his veteran experience to be of value

Buddy Hield (Indiana has reset their timeline)
- Multiple first rounders might get the job done with salary filler.

Dejounte Murray (no good rationale on why SA would want to give up on him)
- If Mia made an aggressive offer, ie: Herro, multiple FRPs and filler, SA could possibly entertain it given that they are in no real position to compete. Though, that might be seen as an overpay by Mia.

Zion Williamson (rumored that the team is unconvinced about offering a max extension)
- They would probably realistically demand Bam in any legit trade talk with Mia. Short of that, a longshot secondary offer would include Lowry and Herro and as many picks and swaps allowed to be surrendered in exchange for Mia taking whatever bad salaries they want to shed, ie: Graham, Hayes, etc.

Grant, Wood, Barnes, M. Morris, J Collins (all deadline names us Heat fans are aware of for reasons we are also aware of)

[Elnegron]

I know this is very soon after our exit. But let s look ahead and think about the moves Miami can make in the summer to make us a contender next season.

I think we could pull off Lowry, Duncan, and Herro for Lillard. Maybe somehow get PJ Washington involved in a trade. Re-sign Oladipo. Get some minimum or MLE point shooters. Make Bam shoot 3 pointers all summer for Gods sake. Develop Yurt in the off-season.

Lillard/Vincent
Oladipo/Martin
Butler/Strus
PJ Washington/Tucker
Bam/Yurt

Fill the rest of the roster with adequate role-players.

Lillard too old for me to give up herro. Mitchell a better player to be had that aligns with bam age unless u wanna have a window of 2 years max

[HEATVols865]

Lowry saying this season was a waste. I like the thought. Now he needs to get with the Miami Heat body fat program.


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[Elnegron]

Spitballing 10 names:

Klay Thompson (Warriors cant pay everyone and Poole has shown signs that he can be the team's longterm answer at SG)
- They'll want salary relief and picks

DeAngelo Russell (He's allegedly falling out of favor in Minnesota.)
- They seem intent on competing now so there might be an opening for Mia to get off of Lowry if Minny finds his veteran experience to be of value

Buddy Hield (Indiana has reset their timeline)
- Multiple first rounders might get the job done will salary filler.

Dejounte Murray (no good rationale on why SA would want to give up on him)
- If Mia made an aggressive offer, ie: Herro, multiple FRPs and filler, SA could possibly entertain it given that they are in no real position to compete. Though, that might be seen as an overpay by Mia.

Zion Williamson (rumored that the team is unconvinced about offering a max extension)
- They would probably realistically demand Bam in any legit trade talk with Mia. Short of that, a longshot secondary offer would include Lowry and Herro and as many picks and swaps allowed to be surrendered in exchange for Mia taking whatever bad salaries they want to shed, ie: Graham, Hayes, etc.

Grant, Wood, Barnes, M. Morris, J Collins (all deadline names us Heat fans are aware of for reasons we are also aware of)

there is no way pat give up herro for Murray let along plus 2 picks. Are you smoking crack or what?

[Beenie]

Spitballing 10 names:

Klay Thompson (Warriors cant pay everyone and Poole has shown signs that he can be the team's longterm answer at SG)
- They'll want salary relief and picks

DeAngelo Russell (He's allegedly falling out of favor in Minnesota.)
- They seem intent on competing now so there might be an opening for Mia to get off of Lowry if Minny finds his veteran experience to be of value

Buddy Hield (Indiana has reset their timeline)
- Multiple first rounders might get the job done will salary filler.

Dejounte Murray (no good rationale on why SA would want to give up on him)
- If Mia made an aggressive offer, ie: Herro, multiple FRPs and filler, SA could possibly entertain it given that they are in no real position to compete. Though, that might be seen as an overpay by Mia.

Zion Williamson (rumored that the team is unconvinced about offering a max extension)
- They would probably realistically demand Bam in any legit trade talk with Mia. Short of that, a longshot secondary offer would include Lowry and Herro and as many picks and swaps allowed to be surrendered in exchange for Mia taking whatever bad salaries they want to shed, ie: Graham, Hayes, etc.

Grant, Wood, Barnes, M. Morris, J Collins (all deadline names us Heat fans are aware of for reasons we are also aware of)

there is no way pat give up herro for Murray let along plus 2 picks. Are you smoking crack or what?

Probably not but your reply suggests a that you havent watched Murray play and have no concept of how he would fit with this team.

[HeatFanLifer]

Spitballing 10 names:

Klay Thompson (Warriors cant pay everyone and Poole has shown signs that he can be the team's longterm answer at SG)
- They'll want salary relief and picks

DeAngelo Russell (He's allegedly falling out of favor in Minnesota.)
- They seem intent on competing now so there might be an opening for Mia to get off of Lowry if Minny finds his veteran experience to be of value

Buddy Hield (Indiana has reset their timeline)
- Multiple first rounders might get the job done will salary filler.

Dejounte Murray (no good rationale on why SA would want to give up on him)
- If Mia made an aggressive offer, ie: Herro, multiple FRPs and filler, SA could possibly entertain it given that they are in no real position to compete. Though, that might be seen as an overpay by Mia.

Zion Williamson (rumored that the team is unconvinced about offering a max extension)
- They would probably realistically demand Bam in any legit trade talk with Mia. Short of that, a longshot secondary offer would include Lowry and Herro and as many picks and swaps allowed to be surrendered in exchange for Mia taking whatever bad salaries they want to shed, ie: Graham, Hayes, etc.

Grant, Wood, Barnes, M. Morris, J Collins (all deadline names us Heat fans are aware of for reasons we are also aware of)

there is no way pat give up herro for Murray let along plus 2 picks. Are you smoking crack or what?

I think Beenie is just throwing out options. Nothing crazy about what he’s saying breh.

[dshearn]

This team was a few inches from a possible trip to the finals, without their second best scorer being able to provide meaningful time on the court. Layer that on top of Butler's knee and this team is close to another shot at the finals.


Whether that means keep tyler herro or trade tyler herro who knows. I think if you add a midseason form of Tyler Herro to that game 7 and Miami probably wins that game.

Having read this thread, I still think the best path forward is to go get Myles Turner or someone like him. He is in that Duncan plus filler trade range .....Turner has stated he wants to attack and make a bigger impact. The exact thing we talk about week in and week out with Bam. \

Turner would push Bam to the 4 and you kill two birds with one stone. Bam can go chase around smalls, and if Strus or Herro or whoever gets blown by...you have someone to meet them at the rim.

[MettaWorldPanda]

My personal opinion on Herro is you keep him and let him get to restricted free agency. If he’s worth it you match his offer sheet. I don’t think trading his small contract right now is a good idea. Look for S&T deal with Martin and fish out a package of Robinson, Vincent, and this years late first and a future first for a stretch big on last year of deal you are willing to extend. Jeremi Grant, Harrison Barnes, and Christian Wood are the names that come to mind. Look for a more traditional backup PG behind Lowry instead of a tweener. I would try and resign Oladipo with bird rights if the numbers are reasonable.

[Beenie]

I think the biggest problem is that Butler is no Wade. Im not talking about on the court but off the court. Wade knew how to make friends, how to get into peoples ears etc. Butler is clearly not that guy, hes not a recruiter. If you dont have someone like that, you can show up wearing all the rings you want and get rejected.

Durant said nah to us twice and went with Golden State, then he went to the Nets. Giannis was like nah man and won a ring last year after sweeping us. We need a Wade level recruiter.

I'm not really with this narrative.

Wade is probably over credited with the acqusitions of Lebron and Bosh.

Those guys wanted out of their situations first and foremost and found Mia to be an attractive place to go.

Regarding Giannis, he clearly wasnt ready to leave Mil and I suspect no amount of persuasive power would have changed his mind at that particular point in time.

Same situation is happening with Beal.

Furthermore, Lowry is here because of Jimmy. Despite his subpar playoff performance, he was a coveted acquiation.

Butler said Dwyane Wade, the Heat legend who retired after the 2018-19 campaign, played a key role in convincing him to join Miami in the offseason.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2855586-heats-jimmy-butler-on-how-dwyane-wade-recruited-him-if-hes-an-a-hole-and-more

"Tobias Harris over me?!?"

[Kobewade11]

This team was a few inches from a possible trip to the finals, without their second best scorer being able to provide meaningful time on the court. Layer that on top of Butler's knee and this team is close to another shot at the finals.


Whether that means keep tyler herro or trade tyler herro who knows. I think if you add a midseason form of Tyler Herro to that game 7 and Miami probably wins that game.

Having read this thread, I still think the best path forward is to go get Myles Turner or someone like him. He is in that Duncan plus filler trade range .....Turner has stated he wants to attack and make a bigger impact. The exact thing we talk about week in and week out with Bam. \

Turner would push Bam to the 4 and you kill two birds with one stone. Bam can go chase around smalls, and if Strus or Herro or whoever gets blown by...you have someone to meet them at the rim.

Turner is a move I would welcome, it solves the front court issue. But it doesn’t solve the issue of having a second guy to consistently generate offense in the playoffs. Boston has 2, Milwaukee when healthy has 2, Brooklyn as constructed has 2, we’ve got Jimmy and then a bunch of other guys where we dont know what to expect night in and night out.