Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0

[ZoStrong]

Maybe plus Keyontae Johnson as well

[Lennyzinho]

I don't think any nba player is worth that kinda money. More than some countries gdp. That's why celtics are for sale they don't want to be there when that money becomes due.

Bill touches on these topics on his last episode.

Celtics team is gonna cost like 250M this year and next year it'll be 400M+ with repeater tax and Tatum extension kicking in...

He also went into how the investors made like an absurd amount of money and are ready to sell part of it. Apparently a minority stakeholder who also tried to buy the nets a couple years back is gonna take over majority stake, kind of like what mark Cuban did, selling part of team but still keeping some. They mentioned things such as, teams are getting so expensive that there just aren't that many people with that kind of money to even buy majority stake of a team. And also with Boston winning championship and having a young good core albeit with massive tax implications that will cause it to breakup in a year or two most likely and new media deal, people believe the value of franchise reached a peak and won't go up in value as much or as fast for next several years.

And something else about player salaries... it's somewhat a socioeconomic and political convo so I'm not gonna touch on that here.

[heater4life]

As much as fans are giving this organization a hard time, I think many don’t understand how much this tax apron is changing the landscape of the league.

With new changes to the tax system, moves we made in the past of acquiring Jimmy or assemblling the BIG 3 would be unlikely if not impossible.

It’s not just taxation , you’re completely handcuffed from building a roster. Via trade or FA acquisition.

Teams that have been rebuilding into the change will be in a better position than those that have been competing into it. Unfortunately that’s where we are stuck.

Didn’t help that these new rules came into effect shortly after we gave Herro his deal and a year after Duncan’s deal

100%.

If guys like Herro don’t develop as expected it hurts teams exponentially more when those larger contracts don’t pan out.

This will be a tough adjustment for the Heat. This current CBA lends itself to cleaning slate more so than remaining competitive when your team is middle of the road.

Will say though, this team is in poor position to improve immediately, but they’re in a very good position in the future. Duncan, Rozier and Jimmy expiring together, frees up a ton of money, and the rest of the roster is very young.

[Beenie]

The proposed OKC trades make no real sense for them. Jimmy is not the player they need or want. Bam makes sense, he fits there core player, the right age, he brings the right skills etc.

As for the Hornets, guys you realize if they had any, any, ANY interest in Herro we could have done a Herro for Terry swap, saved millions on the tax and had Lowry and his 30 mil expire getting us out of our self inflicted cap mess and we keep our pick. Pretty safe to say they dont value Herro more than cap space and a first round draft pick.

OKC got Homegren and just signed Hartenstein, I don't think they have a room or a need for Bam. But would you do Hartenstein plus 4 firsts for Bam? when he becomes eligible to trade that is

I would but it wouldn’t be my first choice.

Would prioritize getting Williams and a pick package

Sacramento might be a good partner to reunite Bam, Fox and Monk

Mia could demand Murray and a pick package

Houston also makes some sense. 2 of their youngins (perhaps Sengun and Sheppard) and a pick package would do

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't think any nba player is worth that kinda money. More than some countries gdp. That's why celtics are for sale they don't want to be there when that money becomes due.

Bill touches on these topics on his last episode.

Celtics team is gonna cost like 250M this year and next year it'll be 400M+ with repeater tax and Tatum extension kicking in...

He also went into how the investors made like an absurd amount of money and are ready to sell part of it. Apparently a minority stakeholder who also tried to buy the nets a couple years back is gonna take over majority stake, kind of like what mark Cuban did, selling part of team but still keeping some. They mentioned things such as, teams are getting so expensive that there just aren't that many people with that kind of money to even buy majority stake of a team. And also with Boston winning championship and having a young good core albeit with massive tax implications that will cause it to breakup in a year or two most likely and new media deal, people believe the value of franchise reached a peak and won't go up in value as much or as fast for next several years.

And something else about player salaries... it's somewhat a socioeconomic and political convo so I'm not gonna touch on that here.

No way they can keep that team together right? They probably try to go back to back and if not at minimum 1 of Jrue White or KP will need to be dumped

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Boy Wonder is fed up

[eddieheatfan]

I don't think any nba player is worth that kinda money. More than some countries gdp. That's why celtics are for sale they don't want to be there when that money becomes due.

Bill touches on these topics on his last episode.

Celtics team is gonna cost like 250M this year and next year it'll be 400M+ with repeater tax and Tatum extension kicking in...

He also went into how the investors made like an absurd amount of money and are ready to sell part of it. Apparently a minority stakeholder who also tried to buy the nets a couple years back is gonna take over majority stake, kind of like what mark Cuban did, selling part of team but still keeping some. They mentioned things such as, teams are getting so expensive that there just aren't that many people with that kind of money to even buy majority stake of a team. And also with Boston winning championship and having a young good core albeit with massive tax implications that will cause it to breakup in a year or two most likely and new media deal, people believe the value of franchise reached a peak and won't go up in value as much or as fast for next several years.

And something else about player salaries... it's somewhat a socioeconomic and political convo so I'm not gonna touch on that here.

No way they can keep that team together right? They probably try to go back to back and if not at minimum 1 of Jrue White or KP will need to be dumped

at some point the whole business will become unprofitable, specially if player salaries keep on climbing up .and more so with this high inflation economy. their own greed may destroy their own business since blue collar jobs salaries stay mostly the same (the fans who support the whole thing)

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Pistons got

3 second rd picks
Tim Hardaway Jr 16 million expiring

Dallas got

SG Quentin Grimes


I mention this deal because Duncan Robinson and his 20 million is a prime dump target to the Pistons. Duncan has his old college coach in the front office over there. We would have to trade the 2026 and 2030 2nd rd picks to get it done.

Toss in Orlando Robinson for good measure. We would get 22 million off the books. Gets us 15 million to spend under the first apron automatically opening up the MLE and enough to sign another vet minimum. Dallas had to trade 3 second rd picks but also had to deal a young cheap player in Grimes to Dallas accounting for the extra second.

[lastb1ckman]

I really want the Heat to start their rebuild, but based on how a lot of Heat reporters and Heat fans seem to be in the 7th circle of hell over just being mediocre (after years of playoff success and multiple rings in living memory) idk if they could handle it lol. Rebuilds often don't work as quickly as expected, more than 2 years of top of the lottery play might take Barry and those Five Reasons guys out lol.

I lived in NC for a long time, our sleepy pat offseasons would be PEAK years for the Hornets/Bobcats. Just TERRIBLE basketball year after year. Maybe getting a competitive season every 5 years or so, only for Gerald Wallace/Al Jefferson/Kemba/Lamelo to get hurt and sink the season. And if they're healthy, they end up getting sent packing by the Heat in the first round. On top of that, there's MJ's terrible/cheap ass ownership, usually terrible GMs, and a constant parade of mid to terrible coaches. THAT is a terrible organization.

[AirP.]

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[al bondiga]

In 2026-2027 the only players under contract are

Bam - 51M
Herro - 33M
Ware - 5M
Jaquez - 6M
Larsson- 2M

That’s why I keep saying trading Herro is so important. We could afford 2 max’s that offseason.

We cannot spend any assets beyond that year which is another reason I hated the Rozier trade.

The plan should be to clean the books by that offseason. Get whatever you can in expirings and picks for anything of value that expires before then.

If we trade JB and Herro, our team is going to struggle some. We will be lottery unless we see some super performances. We could sneak in to the top 4 and do a quick turnaround rebuild with a roster flush with nice role players. We need that blue chip guy to lead us and the draft is the only way.

Then, when the kids are groomed and ready to help challenge for the crown, we will have max money. Thats how you do it.

That. Is. How. You. Do. It.

Is that the only way you do it?
Trading away JB and hero
Would bring us a couple of good players or one Super star... That coupled with bam, jovic, jjj, Rozier might be the start of something very good

Me personally, have no idea who would want jb and herro, pat does...I know they have an ok demand And he should do something before the going gets really tough... Jb retires

[twozeroMM]

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Boy Wonder is fed up

At some point some of you need to understand not everything he posts is about the Heat.

[oreon]

Bill touches on these topics on his last episode.

Celtics team is gonna cost like 250M this year and next year it'll be 400M+ with repeater tax and Tatum extension kicking in...

He also went into how the investors made like an absurd amount of money and are ready to sell part of it. Apparently a minority stakeholder who also tried to buy the nets a couple years back is gonna take over majority stake, kind of like what mark Cuban did, selling part of team but still keeping some. They mentioned things such as, teams are getting so expensive that there just aren't that many people with that kind of money to even buy majority stake of a team. And also with Boston winning championship and having a young good core albeit with massive tax implications that will cause it to breakup in a year or two most likely and new media deal, people believe the value of franchise reached a peak and won't go up in value as much or as fast for next several years.

And something else about player salaries... it's somewhat a socioeconomic and political convo so I'm not gonna touch on that here.

No way they can keep that team together right? They probably try to go back to back and if not at minimum 1 of Jrue White or KP will need to be dumped

at some point the whole business will become unprofitable, specially if player salaries keep on climbing up .and more so with this high inflation economy. their own greed may destroy their own business since blue collar jobs salaries stay mostly the same (the fans who support the whole thing)

It wont be unprofitable. The salaries themselves are tied to revenue so they can never be unprofitable if you dont factor the tax. And the tax is an expense the owners are imposing on themselves. They can remove it in next CBA. They can remove it tomorrow if they wanted to and NBPA would have 0 objections.
The time to be concerned is when ratings fall or stagnate. Judging by their next TV deal which is being negotiated, seems like ratings are fine.

[Beenie]

NBA should expand their number of teams aggressively

More than enough talent to go around, it would somewhat ease the financial burden that the top teams are dealing with, and I think there are plenty of viable cities that are primed to have a flourishing NBA team

[Enso]

Priority should be to somehow trade herro and snag convington. I’d be happy with that.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If we’re not doing anything just go ahead and send Jimmy out for as many 1sts as possible, we already know Pat isn’t giving him 4/$240M next summer so if we’re not going all in what’s the point?

[Enso]

If we’re not doing anything just go ahead and send Jimmy out for as many 1sts as possible, we already know Pat isn’t giving him 4/$240M next summer so if we’re not going all in what’s the point?

Yeah i agree only thing i can see org banking on is player development and the fact that we weren’t healthy all year.

[SA37]

The proposed OKC trades make no real sense for them. Jimmy is not the player they need or want. Bam makes sense, he fits there core player, the right age, he brings the right skills etc.

As for the Hornets, guys you realize if they had any, any, ANY interest in Herro we could have done a Herro for Terry swap, saved millions on the tax and had Lowry and his 30 mil expire getting us out of our self inflicted cap mess and we keep our pick. Pretty safe to say they dont value Herro more than cap space and a first round draft pick.

Disagree with pretty much all of this.

When healthy, Butler is good enough to be in the convo for top-10 in the league. He's proven over and over again to be a monster in the playoffs and he is better than any player OKC has not named SGA. To get him for a good role player and 2 1sts is a steal. Plus, OKC is not a FA destination, so being able to acquire a player of Butler's calibre is rare. That said, the contract Butler wants would come with big risks. But again, the price to gamble on him is as low as it gets for an All-NBA calibre guy.

As for the Hornets trade, Miami swapping Herro for Rozier would have amounted to re-arranging deck chairs. The goal has consistently been to add to the core of Bam, Butler, and Herro. What is being discussed is essentially Miami looking at the moves made and deciding it is better to use the next 2-4 year window to re-load instead of extending Butler and trying to beat incredibly good teams in the East that are clearly superior to Miami.

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Who is staying the summer league thread

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Pistons got

3 second rd picks
Tim Hardaway Jr 16 million expiring

Dallas got

SG Quentin Grimes


I mention this deal because Duncan Robinson and his 20 million is a prime dump target to the Pistons. Duncan has his old college coach in the front office over there. We would have to trade the 2026 and 2030 2nd rd picks to get it done.

Toss in Orlando Robinson for good measure. We would get 22 million off the books. Gets us 15 million to spend under the first apron automatically opening up the MLE and enough to sign another vet minimum. Dallas had to trade 3 second rd picks but also had to deal a young cheap player in Grimes to Dallas accounting for the extra second.

We throw so many 2nd away doing salary dumps every year to save Micky money im shocked we had one to use this summer