2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5

[MartyCONLONNN]

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its not Beal bc Gambo would be all over that buyout and Dame has already been available

[EMC5466]

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its not Beal bc Gambo would be all over that buyout and Dame has already been available

DeRozan maybe?

[Hallstar]

Mia was one of this worst 4th quarter teams last year. Everything from Spo’s rotations to schemes in the final quarter has been meticulously scrutinized.

And the truth is, they’ve had varying problems in the 4th quarters for years ie starting Jimmy on the bench and waiting too long to bring him back into the game.

They won 37 games last season and are now considerably a worse team.

What exactly do you think is gonna magically happen thats gonna result in improving their win total?

Unless u think Bam or Herro will take a superstar leap, which I don’t think is possible for either guy, or if the team acquires a star, which looks to be unlikely, there’s no logical path for them to improve their record next season

You said we won 37 games but are a considerably worse team. Based on what? We’ve lost Duncan and signed Kasparas. That’s legitimately the only difference so far in our team from last season.

At this stage I’d say we’re about the same. I expect us to be .500 ball club or thereabouts. Duncan doesn’t change much of that equation. Terry sitting is addition by subtraction alone.

Roughly a .500 team up until the Jimmy trade.

Hypothetically, if they make that very same trade preseason, they likely win less than 37 games.

Or that random losing streak late in the season? Ever thought about that being the reason? The team was the same with or without Jimmy. Especially regular season. After his initial burst from being super fresh in GS, he faded just like he would've faded here. Except he would've faded MUCH earlier. Let's see how GS feels at the trade deadline when they're battling for the playin and Jimbo is showing up once a week.

If we want a decent record, Spo just has to stop playing people like Rozier who was sabotaging the games for months. There is no trade value to build there.

[BBallFreak]

IMO, acquiring cheap assets with upside is a smart business model.

No excuse for sitting on your hands when the price is dirt.

Not arguing that. The issue is that we're not going to acquire every cheap asset. We already have a crap ton.

Last year, we picked up Davion Mitchell on the cheap. How'd he do?

We got Kel'el Ware. How did he do?

This year we nabbed Kasparas Jakučionis. How's he going to do?

Jovic, Jacquez, Larsson, Goldin. These are cheap assets!

Edit: and Whitmore might go off and it still doesn't mean that we were going to beat two second round picks from a crap team because our second round picks aren't worth Washington's! And he may not fit our system!

Hou got 2 2nds but that doesn’t necessarily mean that 2 2nds was all they were interested in.

Some reports suggested that Hou was looking for a vet defensive wing rotation player. Highsmith fits that bill.

Have no idea if Mia called Hou but imo they should have and offered him. And if necessary, sweetened it with 1 2nd.

Why? Because you say so?

What if they tried to get him but got outbid because they didn't feel he was worth Highsmith, or three second round picks, because two of Washington's are more valuable than two of ours. What if they didn't like his game? What if they felt he was redundant with a prospect they already have? What if his work ethic doesn't match the Heat work ethic? What if they feel, personality wise, he won't fit and would cause problems? Remember he was drafted just a couple of years ago so they know him.

It's such a terrible take to suggest you know more about these players than they do and then judge them wanting by your evaluation. And it's not like you can point to their draft history or player development program and tell anyone they've done a bad job. They're stellar in that department - among the best in the league.

If you want to point to faults with the team's management, you point to things like hanging onto players too long (Jimmy), asset mismanagement (trading Lowry and a first for Rozier), and not always being aggressive enough. But player development? Gtfoh!

[RexBoyWonder]

About our record this year - the prediction thread is up :

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My 2 Cents - We'll end up in 9-12 seeds range in the east : and we better hope for #12 because we need all the draft talent we can find.

Going young is fine, but going young with second round talents is not like going young after you added a few high lottery prospects.

[Beenie]

You said we won 37 games but are a considerably worse team. Based on what? We’ve lost Duncan and signed Kasparas. That’s legitimately the only difference so far in our team from last season.

At this stage I’d say we’re about the same. I expect us to be .500 ball club or thereabouts. Duncan doesn’t change much of that equation. Terry sitting is addition by subtraction alone.

Roughly a .500 team up until the Jimmy trade.

Hypothetically, if they make that very same trade preseason, they likely win less than 37 games.

I'll let the board decide what avatar I want you to use when I win this bet. Let's up the bet a little. If I win I want you to actively post on the Charlotte board as a new fan for the whole following off season. If I lose I'll do the same. Deal?

I’m open to upping the bet but in some other way.

[MartyConlonJr]

There is enough optimism in me to but the Heat being a good team, not sure about 50 - that was nearly 3rd seed last season, but something keeps triggering me back to Riley's tanking comments in the press conference, almost like it was a wink, wink. He basically admitted they are not above it, and would never have told anyone they were doing it

[Beenie]

Not arguing that. The issue is that we're not going to acquire every cheap asset. We already have a crap ton.

Last year, we picked up Davion Mitchell on the cheap. How'd he do?

We got Kel'el Ware. How did he do?

This year we nabbed Kasparas Jakučionis. How's he going to do?

Jovic, Jacquez, Larsson, Goldin. These are cheap assets!

Edit: and Whitmore might go off and it still doesn't mean that we were going to beat two second round picks from a crap team because our second round picks aren't worth Washington's! And he may not fit our system!

Hou got 2 2nds but that doesn’t necessarily mean that 2 2nds was all they were interested in.

Some reports suggested that Hou was looking for a vet defensive wing rotation player. Highsmith fits that bill.

Have no idea if Mia called Hou but imo they should have and offered him. And if necessary, sweetened it with 1 2nd.

Why? Because you say so?

What if they tried to get him but got outbid because they didn't feel he was worth Highsmith, or three second round picks, because two of Washington's are more valuable than two of ours. What if they didn't like his game? What if they felt he was redundant with a prospect they already have? What if his work ethic doesn't match the Heat work ethic? What if they feel, personality wise, he won't fit and would cause problems? Remember he was drafted just a couple of years ago so they know him.

It's such a terrible take to suggest you know more about these players than they do and then judge them wanting by your evaluation. And it's not like you can point to their draft history or player development program and tell anyone they've done a bad job. They're stellar in that department - among the best in the league.

If you want to point to faults with the team's management, you point to things like hanging onto players too long (Jimmy), asset mismanagement (trading Lowry and a first for Rozier), and not always being aggressive enough. But player development? Gtfoh!

Who said anything about player development? Not sure if you are intentionally strawmaning my position or if you just don’t know what you are saying

That aside, Whitmore was traded for 2 2nds. The terrible take here is implying that 2 2nds is a difficult offer to beat.

[MorbidHEAT]

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The dude is clearly talking about Michael Beasley. B-Easy coming back home!

[3ballbomber]

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Bam for Giannis in-coming

[BBallFreak]

Hou got 2 2nds but that doesn’t necessarily mean that 2 2nds was all they were interested in.

Some reports suggested that Hou was looking for a vet defensive wing rotation player. Highsmith fits that bill.

Have no idea if Mia called Hou but imo they should have and offered him. And if necessary, sweetened it with 1 2nd.

Why? Because you say so?

What if they tried to get him but got outbid because they didn't feel he was worth Highsmith, or three second round picks, because two of Washington's are more valuable than two of ours. What if they didn't like his game? What if they felt he was redundant with a prospect they already have? What if his work ethic doesn't match the Heat work ethic? What if they feel, personality wise, he won't fit and would cause problems? Remember he was drafted just a couple of years ago so they know him.

It's such a terrible take to suggest you know more about these players than they do and then judge them wanting by your evaluation. And it's not like you can point to their draft history or player development program and tell anyone they've done a bad job. They're stellar in that department - among the best in the league.

If you want to point to faults with the team's management, you point to things like hanging onto players too long (Jimmy), asset mismanagement (trading Lowry and a first for Rozier), and not always being aggressive enough. But player development? Gtfoh!

Who said anything about player development? Not sure if you are intentionally strawmaning my position or if you just don’t know what you are saying

That aside, Whitmore was traded for 2 2nds. The terrible take here is implying that 2 2nds is a difficult offer to beat.

No, the terrible take here is assuming that he's worth two seconds to the Heat.

Seriously?

What makes you think we even wanted him?

And the development talk is because Whitmore is a development project! He's an actual project! WTF, dude?

If you want to be upset with Miami management, use a legitimate reason - not some barely playable prospect who may or may not pan out...

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The fact that Cam went for 2 2nds tell me he's damaged goods. Outside of being a black hole.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The fact that Cam went for 2 2nds tell me his damaged goods. Outside of being a black hole.

They had better offers, they agreed to send him where he wanted to go which is apparently his hometown team

[BBallFreak]

The fact that Cam went for 2 2nds tell me his damaged goods. Outside of being a black hole.

They had better offers, they agreed to send him where he wanted to go which is apparently his hometown team

Even if that's accurate, which I personally doubt, the offers couldn't have been that much more. No team is going to completely forego their own self interest because they want to be nice to a guy who's done nothing for that team and wants to leave.

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Goodbye Keshad. Barely knew you!

[Beenie]

Why? Because you say so?

What if they tried to get him but got outbid because they didn't feel he was worth Highsmith, or three second round picks, because two of Washington's are more valuable than two of ours. What if they didn't like his game? What if they felt he was redundant with a prospect they already have? What if his work ethic doesn't match the Heat work ethic? What if they feel, personality wise, he won't fit and would cause problems? Remember he was drafted just a couple of years ago so they know him.

It's such a terrible take to suggest you know more about these players than they do and then judge them wanting by your evaluation. And it's not like you can point to their draft history or player development program and tell anyone they've done a bad job. They're stellar in that department - among the best in the league.

If you want to point to faults with the team's management, you point to things like hanging onto players too long (Jimmy), asset mismanagement (trading Lowry and a first for Rozier), and not always being aggressive enough. But player development? Gtfoh!

Who said anything about player development? Not sure if you are intentionally strawmaning my position or if you just don’t know what you are saying

That aside, Whitmore was traded for 2 2nds. The terrible take here is implying that 2 2nds is a difficult offer to beat.

No, the terrible take here is assuming that he's worth two seconds to the Heat.

Seriously?

What makes you think we even wanted him?

And the development talk is because Whitmore is a development project! He's an actual project! WTF, dude?

If you want to be upset with Miami management, use a legitimate reason - not some barely playable prospect who may or may not pan out...

Never said Mia wanted him, did I

What I am saying is that for the price that it cost to get him, they should have very well wanted him.

And yes, I'm aware that Whitmore is currently not in peak form lol

Which is a why the cost to get him was so cheap.

I like cheap players with high upsides.

If they pan out, they can potentially become a core player on a value contract or can be flipped for a higher return than the price that was paid to acquire them.

[BBallFreak]

Who said anything about player development? Not sure if you are intentionally strawmaning my position or if you just don’t know what you are saying

That aside, Whitmore was traded for 2 2nds. The terrible take here is implying that 2 2nds is a difficult offer to beat.

No, the terrible take here is assuming that he's worth two seconds to the Heat.

Seriously?

What makes you think we even wanted him?

And the development talk is because Whitmore is a development project! He's an actual project! WTF, dude?

If you want to be upset with Miami management, use a legitimate reason - not some barely playable prospect who may or may not pan out...

Never said Mia wanted him, did I

What I am saying is that for the price that it cost to get him, they should have very well wanted him.

And yes, I'm aware that Whitmore is currently not in peak form lol

Which is a why the cost to get him was so cheap.

I like cheap players with high upsides.

If they pan out, they can potentially become a core player on a value contract or can be flipped for a higher return than the price that was paid to acquire them.

See, this is what I don't get... Why should we be interested beyond due diligence? If his game doesn't fit our system, how valuable is he going to be to us or anyone else? We're doing ourselves, and that young, man a disservice if we acquire him with no way to actually use him! It's dumb! You don't just acquire every young cheap talent you can, you have to have a plan! Whitmore may not have fit ours!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The fact that Cam went for 2 2nds tell me his damaged goods. Outside of being a black hole.

They had better offers, they agreed to send him where he wanted to go which is apparently his hometown team

Even if that's accurate, which I personally doubt, the offers couldn't have been that much more. No team is going to completely forego their own self interest because they want to be nice to a guy who's done nothing for that team and wants to leave.

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The most credible reporter in the world reported it. Who knows how much more, probably not a ton like you said but Houston probably doesn’t give a **** either way. They’re stacked, just added KD, and still have assets to make a Giannis trade if they wanted

[Beenie]

No, the terrible take here is assuming that he's worth two seconds to the Heat.

Seriously?

What makes you think we even wanted him?

And the development talk is because Whitmore is a development project! He's an actual project! WTF, dude?

If you want to be upset with Miami management, use a legitimate reason - not some barely playable prospect who may or may not pan out...

Never said Mia wanted him, did I

What I am saying is that for the price that it cost to get him, they should have very well wanted him.

And yes, I'm aware that Whitmore is currently not in peak form lol

Which is a why the cost to get him was so cheap.

I like cheap players with high upsides.

If they pan out, they can potentially become a core player on a value contract or can be flipped for a higher return than the price that was paid to acquire them.

See, this is what I don't get... Why should we be interested beyond due diligence? If his game doesn't fit our system, how valuable is he going to be to us or anyone else? We're doing ourselves, and that young, man a disservice if we acquire him with no way to actually use him! It's dumb! You don't just acquire every young cheap talent you can, you have to have a plan! Whitmore may not have fit ours!

They reportedly are interested in Kuminga and he fits the exact description you laid out only he would cost more to acquire and more salary wise.

For the sake of consistency, I hope you have been posting on here an objection to that potential acquisition.