Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central 4.0 Team Byke Ollinky Added

[HIF]

Here’s a story: LeBron once wanted to stay over after an away game with the Heat and meet the team the next day in the next city. Heat president Pat Riley said no. LeBron got upset. Riley said that’s no way to lead a team. LeBron was still upset about that and other similar items on his way out the door to Cleveland.

Another story: LeBron insisted reserve James Jones play more with the Heat. Everyone loves Jones. But he wasn’t a championship-level player, especially on defense. In LeBron’s final Heat season, Jones played late in a game and hit some shots. “Great coaching, Spo,’’ James kept yelling from the bench.

Everyone inside the team knew it wasn’t a compliment of Heat coach Erik Spoelstra. It was a mocking of him. It was the best player belittling the coach by saying this should be done every night.

Dave Hyde, legit source.

Bottom line.

LeBron wanted Irving painted as the bad guy. He flexed his media muscle and got the national slant turning that way, too. LeBron did it his way, as he always does. His way can win big, as it’s shown through the years. It also can turn people off. Irving is the latest.

Le-ego.

I'll take another four straight trips to the Finals.

He wouldn't give them to you.

Did you notice that he sneaked out the back door and left us in the ****?

No, 2 first round draft picks for this one.

[HIF]

MAROKO WILL BE BYKE!

Where did he go.

Maroko was a legend.

[dean456]

Can we be certain that Whiteside/Irving would be any deadlier than Whiteside/Dragic? I don't think so, I think it would be much more the same. This team was a product of its' depth but Dragic was definitely the focal point and if we're trying to build on that team then keeping him in the mix would likely benefit us more than not. Bam or Olynyk can't effectively replace his production but Irving can and imo ballhandlers/wings are more important in the scheme of things. Not that Dragic's not tradeable...

I think Kyrie plays better in a higher tempo which would increase here compared to with LBJ and the Cav's. Dragic has good ball security and uses his body well but he isn't getting to the basket as much as Kyrie's ball handling skills would allow him to and if Kyrie's getting to the basket more that means Whiteside will be getting more opportunities either off misses or off more attention on Kyrie.

Just feel Dragic can be stopped more in single coverage's than Irving can. Granted this is assuming Miami will make Kyrie focus on making those passes when they present themselves which I'm sure they will.

Dragic is 3rd in drives per game and Irving is 17th.

That is a very good point. I didn't realize Dragic ranked so highly last season.

I wonder howerver how much of that is effected by the two players different situations. Because from just watching both it feels like Kyrie gets to the basket with ease more than Dragic.

Kyrie and Whiteside may not be as great together as i thought. But i still think he would be an upgrade to Dragic. If he plays here he will play in the system i trust the coaches.

[dean456]

I think Kyrie plays better in a higher tempo which would increase here compared to with LBJ and the Cav's. Dragic has good ball security and uses his body well but he isn't getting to the basket as much as Kyrie's ball handling skills would allow him to and if Kyrie's getting to the basket more that means Whiteside will be getting more opportunities either off misses or off more attention on Kyrie.

Just feel Dragic can be stopped more in single coverage's than Irving can. Granted this is assuming Miami will make Kyrie focus on making those passes when they present themselves which I'm sure they will.

Dragic is 3rd in drives per game and Irving is 17th.

That is a very good point. I didn't realize Dragic ranked so highly last season.

I wonder howerver how much of that is effected by the two players different situations. I feel Miami have a heavier focus on paint points and fast break points than Cleveland does.

Just from just watching both it feels like Kyrie gets to the basket with ease more than Dragic but maybe im not factoring stuff like fast break points.

Kyrie and Whiteside may not be as great together as i thought. But i still think he would be an upgrade to Dragic. If he plays here he will play in the system i trust the coaches.

[Mos_Heat]

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The Miami Heat are willing to part with Goran Dragic and Justise Winslow as centerpieces for an Irving trade, league sources said. With the Cleveland-Miami history, there's little chance for a deal unless the Heat offered an overwhelming package.

[Heat_Fan_87]

dragic is an interesting piece and has value for sure, would have a better offer if we just did dragic and jrich, or dragic and tj.

a lot of teams like phx and minny have nice young players more attractive than winslow. time to focus on our squad and get ready for training camp, read our boys are already working

[BenoUdrihFTL]

So have we traded all our assets for a undersized sg, that doesn't play defense yet?

You forgot injury-prone undersized SG who doesn't play defense

Totally worth gutting our depth and defense for

[MettaWorldPanda]

The Kyrie to Miami trade is not happening. Dragic and Winslow was never going to be enough to snag a talent like Kyrie. Dragic to the Cavs also never made any sense. Winslow next to Lebron also never made any sense as Lebron requires dead eye three point shooters to be around him. I just regret seeing the last 20 pages of Irving love and trashing our own players in the process. It was like like hey Irving is the greatest PG in the league and Dragic is well a 16/6 player so no brainer for the Cavs to make that deal. smdh. Just sit back and enjoy the fun cohesive team we got going on down here.

[Mos_Heat]

The Kyrie to Miami trade is not happening. Dragic and Winslow was never going to be enough to snag a talent like Kyrie. Dragic to the Cavs also never made any sense. Winslow next to Lebron also never made any sense as Lebron requires dead eye three point shooters to be around him. I just regret seeing the last 20 pages of Irving love and trashing our own players in the process. It was like like hey Irving is the greatest PG in the league and Dragic is well a 16/6 player so no brainer for the Cavs to make that deal. smdh. Just sit back and enjoy the fun cohesive team we got going on down here.

[Flash4thewin]

I kinda find it funny how we have people saying no we need to keep this team together, its special it has chemistry etc yet when a star gets on the market its like how fast can we ship out these bums to get that star player.

I dont see how we get Kyrie here

[Jonathan2323]

I see how we get Kyrie here. Nobody else has offered anything great and Pat adds BAM.

[Cmon_Son-_-]

I can understand saying that we don't have enough assets to make a trade but the takes that I don't get is the ones where we don't want to trade for said star player to stay with this fun team. Sure this team is fun to watch but reality is that we're average. Even if the east is weaker and we can make probably make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs it doesn't change the fact that we're still far away from anything real. My main question is what are we building here?

Over the past year I've seen people hear say they'd decline trades for Boogie, Jimmy Butler, Paul George, Blake Griffin and Kyrie Irving. Besides Blake Griffin and Kyrie everyone else I listed got traded for relatively low value.

Another take i'm not a fan of on this board is praising our team culture but then declaring proposed star players as lost causes. If Dion, Whiteside ,JJ weren't lost causes how could we label anyone else as such especially a star player.

Last thing we're not going to attract a star player in free agency without relationships.

[dolphinatik]

dragic is an interesting piece and has value for sure, would have a better offer if we just did dragic and jrich, or dragic and tj.

a lot of teams like phx and minny have nice young players more attractive than winslow. time to focus on our squad and get ready for training camp, read our boys are already working

Dragon and tj would make the cavs better. Of we throw in bam and as pick they take it. Wouldn't be too much of a loss for us either.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[heater4life]

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Woj>Reynolds

[radikalBaller]

Kirie is nice but I prefer we keep our team intact, if we could not get Pauk George, I don't see how we get Kirie. Plus I think by trading for Kirie I think we make the cavs better than the Heat. I can see Lebron wanting Dragic, JJ, and Winslow...

Dragic - Rose
Smith - Shumpert
Lebron - Korver
JJ - Winslow
Love - Thompson

That team would give GSW a good challenge specially defensively since it is very hard to outscore them.

[Umbooki]

All this Irving slurpin is making my stomach turn. At least it makes sense with D-Wade! There's a long history of mutual love between both parties.

Kyrie is that instagram model that liked one of your posts and now you're killing yourself trying to get in her pants.

[dean456]

Kirie is nice but I prefer we keep our team intact, if we could not get Pauk George, I don't see how we get Kirie. Plus I think by trading for Kirie I think we make the cavs better than the Heat. I can see Lebron wanting Dragic, JJ, and Winslow...

Dragic - Rose
Smith - Shumpert
Lebron - Korver
JJ - Winslow
Love - Thompson

That team would give GSW a good challenge specially defensively since it is very hard to outscore them.

We cant trade JJ till December 15th plus money wouldn't work we would take $18.8mil they would take $33.4mil

[dean456]

All this Irving slurpin is making my stomach turn. At least it makes sense with D-Wade! There's a long history of mutual love between both parties.

Kyrie is that instagram model that liked one of your posts and now you're killing yourself trying to get in her pants.

Feel like that will only suck if you don't get in her pants.

[eddieheatfan]

just woke up, what's the latest guys?