MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[heater4life]

I really like Daniel Theis as a MLE option for the Heat.

His defense against us in the bubble was awesome. He was a pain. Our type of player.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Think I'm sold on Reggie Jackson being a great fit here as a nominal PG who can get efficient buckets in the halfcourt. Apparently Clips can only offer him $10 per as an early bird, might he be worth looking at on a 45/3 type deal? He has an injury history but was healthy all season and just turned 31

31yo Reggie at $15 seems like a more attractive option than say a 35yo Lowry at $25+

[RexBoyWonder]

Lowry
Sexton
Jimmy
Love
Bam

Kinda small team, and gonna get stupidly expensive if we extend Sexton next year. Maybe we could get Sexton without taking on Love..

[MettaWorldPanda]

Lowry
Sexton
Jimmy
Love
Bam

Kinda small team, and gonna get stupidly expensive if we extend Sexton next year. Maybe we could get Sexton without taking on Love..

If we have the money and resources for Lowry after a Sexton/Love deal I would rather go after THJ considering the age. I also want no part of a tiny tot back court. Cavs and Raps went tiny tot and are both in the lottery respectively. You don’t want Sexton having to switch on guards that that are 6’5-6. Lowry is stout enough to handle it but at 35/36 you don’t want him covering the Booker’s of the world for long stretches.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I don’t want to pigeon hole Sexton into thinking he’s solely a small two guard. Out of necessity he’s not been allowed to grow into a PG role with the Cavs immediately drafting another PG in Garland. If we bring on Sexton it’s imperative that we groom him to be a multifaceted PG that can score and distribute. He needs tutelage. Jimmy could help him but also getting a veteran PG like Rose to show him the ropes would also go a long way.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

The more I think about it, seems kinda unlikely Lowry gets that multiyear $25+ per he wants. Gonna be a handful of PGs on the market this summer, most of them substantially younger and cheaper than Lowry:

CP3
Conley
Dinwiddie
Reggie
Schroder
Rose
McConnell

Then you have Dragic and Ball who might also be available, plus quasi-PGs like DeRozan and Dipo. SGs like Powell, THJ, Fournier and even JRich will also contribute to the total money teams will spend on guards this offseason

With all these guys getting paid whatever they'll be paid, what team is gonna be in the market to throw a multiyear $25+ per at Lowry? How many teams are in such critical need of a PG that they'd be compelled to brutally overpay for a 35yo Lowry when there's so many other cheaper/younger options available?

[contract]

Lowry
Sexton
Jimmy
Love
Bam

Kinda small team, and gonna get stupidly expensive if we extend Sexton next year. Maybe we could get Sexton without taking on Love..

Lowry ... $25 million
Sexton ... $6 million
Jimmy ... $36 million
Love ... $31 million
Bam ... $28 million

Next seasons total: ~ $126 million just for the starting lineup

The luxury tax threshold is at ~ $137 million


The following season:

Lowry ... $25 million
Sexton ... $29 million
Jimmy ... $38 million
Love ... $29 million
Bam ... $30 million

total: ~ $151 million just for the starting lineup

The luxury tax threshold is at ~ $141 million


Screw it! Arison is a billionaire. He can afford the tax.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The more I think about it, seems kinda unlikely Lowry gets that multiyear $25+ per he wants. Gonna be a handful of PGs on the market this summer, most of them substantially younger and cheaper than Lowry:

CP3
Conley
Dinwiddie
Reggie
Schroder
Rose
McConnell

Then you have Dragic and Ball who might also be available, plus quasi-PGs like DeRozan and Dipo. SGs like Powell, THJ, Fournier and even JRich will also contribute to the total money teams will spend on guards this offseason

With all these guys getting paid whatever they'll be paid, what team is gonna be in the market to throw a multiyear $25+ per at Lowry?

It’s not out of the realm that he returns to Toronto for another year for that type of money. He’s a national treasure north of the border. He’s said himself he’s about getting the most money possible.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

The more I think about it, seems kinda unlikely Lowry gets that multiyear $25+ per he wants. Gonna be a handful of PGs on the market this summer, most of them substantially younger and cheaper than Lowry:

CP3
Conley
Dinwiddie
Reggie
Schroder
Rose
McConnell

Then you have Dragic and Ball who might also be available, plus quasi-PGs like DeRozan and Dipo. SGs like Powell, THJ, Fournier and even JRich will also contribute to the total money teams will spend on guards this offseason

With all these guys getting paid whatever they'll be paid, what team is gonna be in the market to throw a multiyear $25+ per at Lowry?

It’s not out of the realm that he returns to Toronto for another year for that type of money. He’s a national treasure north of the border.

Wonder if he'd prefer $25+ for one year with a rebuilding Raps team or a multiyear deal for a bit less annually with a win-now team. And do the Raps even want him back? Seems like they want to hand the leadership reins over to FVV sooner rather than later. I suppose Raps would be down for a 1yr deal just to try trading Lowry to a desperate team at the deadline again, but this would require Lowry to essentially bet on himself with a 1yr deal

[heater4life]

With all these guys getting paid whatever they'll be paid, what team is gonna be in the market to throw a multiyear $25+ per at Lowry? How many teams are in such critical need of a PG that they'd be compelled to brutally overpay for a 35yo Lowry when there's so many other cheaper/younger options available?

To be fair, CP3 looked like an absolutely atrocious deal not too long ago.

Lowry at 25M might not be so bad with a change of setting.

Actually, if you compare their stats, Lowry at 25M seems like a deal compared to Paul at 40M +

[greg4012]

I don’t want to pigeon hole Sexton into thinking he’s solely a small two guard. Out of necessity he’s not been allowed to grow into a PG role with the Cavs immediately drafting another PG in Garland. If we bring on Sexton it’s imperative that we groom him to be a multifaceted PG that can score and distribute. He needs tutelage. Jimmy could help him but also getting a veteran PG like Rose to show him the ropes would also go a long way.

The more I dig into Sexton the more I'm all about the move. He's thrived and grown despite having to end up in Cleveland. He's had a different HC each of his 3 years in the league.

What would Donovan Mitchell look like today if he was drafted by Cleveland instead? I think they're actually pretty similar player types

[AirP.]

Dipo isn't scoring 20 a night for us. That was never an option. He'd have to be a first option to do that.

If Oladipo were put in Nunn's role I bet he would. Better consistency in scoring and much better defense.

You think if Oladipo shot the ball 12 times a game like Nunn did he would score 20 points? Dipo shot the ball 18 times a game last year and didn't get to 20 points. Seems a bit off, AirP.

They weren't utilized in the same roles and with that Oladipo had to make his own offense at the end of shot clocks or when the offense broke down which are lesser percentage shots. I'm also expecting that Oladipo was still rusty because he couldn't practice at the level he once did because of rehabbing and rest. As a person who utilizes stats a lot, I'm also making presumptions that Oladipo wasn't where he will once again get to as a player, it's why I don't value his stats like I normally would and was just watching how he moved and what he tried. With his health comes the ability to really work on his game like he once did and with that, a higher level off play on the court.

A stat that was interesting since it was a play he could somewhat work on safely, the catch and shoot 3s, something important next to Bam and Oladipo, Nunn was better but not by a large amount.

Nunn shot 42% and were 35% of his shots.
Oladipo shot 38% and those were 21% of his shots.

Pull up 3s...
Nunn 27% freq of 13%
Oladipo 28% freq of 20%

* Pull up 3s were Oladipo's bread and butter his big year, he hit them at a higher percentage which opened up the rest of his game, during 17-18 Oladipo shot nearly 36% on his pullup 3s and took them 17% of the time, this year he wasn't nearly as good from that range and with that, defenders didn't bite as much on those plays where he could attack the basket as much.

Let me say this, if Nunn could play defense anywhere near as good as Oladipo I'd much rather have Nunn over Oladipo because there are risks with Oladipo but if this team is going to compete for a championship, they have to take chances on talent, including proven talent coming off injuries. Even though Nunn isn't the defender Oladipo is, I think Nunn would make a great long term scoring 6th man for this team.

I'm all for getting as much talent on Miami's roster as possible and to do that you sometimes have to take risks and like I've said, if this team is operating as an over the cap team, they can sign Oladipo after the rest of the roster is set and all it costs is money and a roster spot. The downside is just his contract and possibly going into the tax(which you can try to trade out of during the season).

[heater4life]

I’m curious, what do you guys think are potential landing spots for Nunn? And what we could we get in a ST from said team?

[AirP.]

The more I think about it, seems kinda unlikely Lowry gets that multiyear $25+ per he wants. Gonna be a handful of PGs on the market this summer, most of them substantially younger and cheaper than Lowry:

CP3
Conley
Dinwiddie
Reggie
Schroder
Rose
McConnell

Then you have Dragic and Ball who might also be available, plus quasi-PGs like DeRozan and Dipo. SGs like Powell, THJ, Fournier and even JRich will also contribute to the total money teams will spend on guards this offseason

With all these guys getting paid whatever they'll be paid, what team is gonna be in the market to throw a multiyear $25+ per at Lowry?

It’s not out of the realm that he returns to Toronto for another year for that type of money. He’s a national treasure north of the border. He’s said himself he’s about getting the most money possible.

This is true but with him selling his house already it seems he's ready to move on.

Here's a tweet talking about him putting his house up for sale.

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Here's the Toronto Star article about the house being sold.

Kyle Lowry was asking $5.3 million for his Toronto home. This week, it sold firm for $5.12 million. That’s a shade less than the $5.25 million Lowry paid for the property in 2017, the same summer he signed the biggest deal of his career — a three-year contract worth $100 million to play point guard for Toronto’s NBA team.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/2021/03/04/raptor-kyle-lowrys-toronto-home-sells-for-512-million.html

[Kobewade11]

I’m curious, what do you guys think are potential landing spots for Nunn? And what we could we get in a ST from said team?

I'm not sure of all the nuances but I feel like there are cap implications surrounding trading restricted free agents that make it highly unlikely we'll get anything done for Nunn or Duncan via S&T.

Any sign-and-trade would require the Heat to stay below the apron (about $6 million above the tax line),

Not impossible but that's what we have to work with.

[twix2500]

I don’t want to pigeon hole Sexton into thinking he’s solely a small two guard. Out of necessity he’s not been allowed to grow into a PG role with the Cavs immediately drafting another PG in Garland. If we bring on Sexton it’s imperative that we groom him to be a multifaceted PG that can score and distribute. He needs tutelage. Jimmy could help him but also getting a veteran PG like Rose to show him the ropes would also go a long way.

You do not become a point guard over night. Most of the 1s in the league are not point guards, they are just small. Once you become a scorer first its hard to become a point.

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[AirP.]

Quick question, mostly towards the Riley can do no wrong people. How does it feel to know that 40% of the starting lineup of a current finals team could have been in Miami the last 2 seasons with Butler and Bam for very little in assets by simply ditching a hail Mary plan of 2021 where Giannis says no to a super max for a very good team and also selects Miami to sign with?

I don't hate Riley, he built an incredible culture in Miami and has done some great stuff in the past but he's made a lot of bad moves in recent history, he was gifted Butler, OKC tried to gift Miami CP3 and he said no(he's either the #1 or #2 of a finals team this year), he said no to a PF that helped this team get to the finals(who's there again this year), he's allowed some overpayments to recent Miami players and possibly another one is coming with Robinson(one way player who's one strength has given Miami 13 ppg).

Who knows, maybe Riley isn't sticking to his beliefs (toughness/defense) or others are having more input because this last season's team wasn't very tough at all.

[JLop]

If this season tells me anything, it’s that we’re not that far away from title contention.

Spoiler:

The Suns added Chris Paul and Jae Crowder. Majority of their other pieces were already there - Booker, Ayton, Bridges and Cam Johnson. The bench crew are a bunch of journeymen (Payne, Saric, Craig). Internal growth, maturity and chemistry did the rest.

It doesn’t take much to shift the dynamic of your team. It just takes the right pieces. Granted Paul is a big one - but he was damaged goods on a chitty contract 18 months ago. Sometimes you take the gamble and it pays off.

We already have a couple really good pieces, we just need the next move or two to be the right ones and we’ll be in the hunt.

Report: Miami Heat plan to make ‘hard push’ to sign Kawhi Leonard this offseason



The Miami Heat are reportedly going to make a push for Los Angeles Clippers superstar Kawhi Leonard this offseason.



There are no guarantees that Leonard will hit free agency at all this offseason, as the 30-year-old has a player option for the 2021-22 campaign and could return to the Clippers for another try at an NBA title.

If the five-time All-Star declines the option, however, then the sweepstakes will begin in full force.

Leonard just finished his 10th NBA season and is getting no less impressive with age. In the 2020-21 regular season, he averaged 24.8 points, 6.5 rebounds and 5.2 assists per game. In this playoffs, he averaged 30.4 points, 7.7 rebounds and 4.4 assists per game, although he missed the Western Conference Finals with a knee injury.

The Heat may lose some pieces at the small forward position this offseason. Andre Iguodala has a club option and Trevor Ariza is set to enter unrestricted free agency. Obviously, the Heat would happily part ways with both players if it allowed them to acquire Leonard.

Leonard’s Clippers were eliminated from the 2021 NBA Playoffs on Wednesday by the Phoenix Suns.

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[BenoUdrihFTL]

Quick question, mostly towards the Riley can do no wrong people. How does it feel to know that 40% of the starting lineup of a current finals team could have been in Miami the last 2 seasons with Butler and Bam for very little in assets by simply ditching a hail Mary plan of 2021 where Giannis says no to a super max for a very good team and also selects Miami to sign with?

I don't hate Riley, he built an incredible culture in Miami and has done some great stuff in the past but he's made a lot of bad moves in recent history, he was gifted Butler, OKC tried to gift Miami CP3 and he said no(he's either the #1 or #2 of a finals team this year), he said no to a PF that helped this team get to the finals(who's there again this year), he's allowed some overpayments to recent Miami players and possibly another one is coming with Robinson(one way player who's one strength has given Miami 13 ppg).

Who knows, maybe Riley isn't sticking to his beliefs (toughness/defense) or others are having more input because this last season's team wasn't very tough at all.

It was a roll of the dice either way. Gambling on CP3 to suddenly become a durable player in the twilight of his career or gambling on Giannis to leave a less than ideal organization in a less than ideal NBA locale. We know who Riley is -- he swings for the fences and we love him for it when he connects -- so there's not much surprise as to which gamble he went with

[AirP.]

Quick question, mostly towards the Riley can do no wrong people. How does it feel to know that 40% of the starting lineup of a current finals team could have been in Miami the last 2 seasons with Butler and Bam for very little in assets by simply ditching a hail Mary plan of 2021 where Giannis says no to a super max for a very good team and also selects Miami to sign with?

I don't hate Riley, he built an incredible culture in Miami and has done some great stuff in the past but he's made a lot of bad moves in recent history, he was gifted Butler, OKC tried to gift Miami CP3 and he said no(he's either the #1 or #2 of a finals team this year), he said no to a PF that helped this team get to the finals(who's there again this year), he's allowed some overpayments to recent Miami players and possibly another one is coming with Robinson(one way player who's one strength has given Miami 13 ppg).

Who knows, maybe Riley isn't sticking to his beliefs (toughness/defense) or others are having more input because this last season's team wasn't very tough at all.

It was a roll of the dice either way. Gambling on CP3 to suddenly become a durable player in the twilight of his career or gambling on Giannis to leave a less than ideal organization in a less than ideal NBA locale. We know who Riley is -- he swings for the fences and we love him for it when he connects -- so there's not much surprise as to which gamble he went with

The gamble was way more risky one way then the other...

Will CP3 stay healthy after getting him for expiring's and very little assets(if any) and then actually building the roster as good as possible with NO 2021 cap space causing issues.
vs
hoping Giannis says no to signing a max then waiting a year to ask to be traded, and all the while letting the roster keep getting worse even after the team made the finals.

Sorry but I think there was nearly zero chance Giannis left Milwaukee before signing the max AND selecting Miami.