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fishfuego. wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Bam will go down as a top 5 Heat player in history and the 2nd best recruiter
Sorry but no.
Wade
Lebron
Shaq
Zo
Bosh
Jimmy
Tim Hardaway
Rice
Smith
Ray Allen
That’s just at the top of my head.
MartyCONLONNN wrote:Beenie wrote:
Seems like a take and not a report.
most definitely a take. at this point it’s clear no1 knows exactly what the core of potential trade looks like except for the men sitting at that table for close to 2 hours. i also wish people would stop underestimating Jimmys relationships with stars just because hes not as outspoken and friendly after games as Bam. Jimmy is the guy that was putting up 40 point games in the playoffs and single handedly carrying the team in the biggest moments. i think stars would like to play with a guy like that over a buddy who is still figuring out when/how to show up.
I do hope there is a way to keep Bam in a KD trade btw, but Jimmy isnt getting enough credit here IMO.
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:MartyCONLONNN wrote:Beenie wrote:
Seems like a take and not a report.
most definitely a take. at this point it’s clear no1 knows exactly what the core of potential trade looks like except for the men sitting at that table for close to 2 hours. i also wish people would stop underestimating Jimmys relationships with stars just because hes not as outspoken and friendly after games as Bam. Jimmy is the guy that was putting up 40 point games in the playoffs and single handedly carrying the team in the biggest moments. i think stars would like to play with a guy like that over a buddy who is still figuring out when/how to show up.
I do hope there is a way to keep Bam in a KD trade btw, but Jimmy isnt getting enough credit here IMO.
If Bam was on the table the trade would be done already imo
Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Herro, Lowry, Jovic, Yurt,
2023,2027,2029 1st round picks
2026, 2028 Swap
vs
Bridges,Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder
2024,2025,2027,2029
2026,2028 Swap
I think that extra 2025 pick they have could push it their way but I think any pick before 2026 has little value to the Nets because KD will be on the books until then So the value comes from Herro and friends vs Bridges and friends. If its still between the 2 teams.
IceColdCubano wrote:AirP. wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:This is speculation, Brooklyn will play hardball to get more assets. Unless it hits the media that they reject an offer set around Tyler Herro its just speak.
It may be speculation, but it may be real, there seems to be a lot of different thoughts on Herro from different GMs that were asked in Summer League recently. If Brooklyn happens to be one of those teams that doesn't value Herro like some other teams do, you don't just keep banging your head on the wall, you bring more teams into the fold who value Herro more and move Herro elsewhere to get good assets to reroute assets to Brooklyn. At this point I'd think it's more about Brooklyn and Miami working together to try to find an acceptable trade package with a 3rd and possibly 4th team in the mix.
Lets say they did value him as a mid tier scorer, if we go on a A-F grading perhaps a B. Would they really say they did or would they down play it so that Miami can load up on the offer a bit more. I mean I know the teams that don't have a horse in this race could speak truthfully and say they do not value him, but would the team receiving him say otherwise to get less in return, doubtful. However if Brooklyn does not value Herro, they could go out and say it, and tell Miami to go find a third/fourth to make it work. If all is silent than things are getting worked out behind the scenes as they should.
fishfuego. wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Bam will go down as a top 5 Heat player in history and the 2nd best recruiter
Sorry but no.
Wade
Lebron
Shaq
Zo
Bosh
Jimmy
Tim Hardaway
Rice
Smith
Ray Allen
That’s just at the top of my head.
Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Playing the value game is going to get the Nets no where. There's really no way to measure the Value of a player like Durant so I get having to set the bar at all star level player but theres only 24 allstars every year and out of the 4-8 fringe allstars, chances are their teams aren't in the market or in a situation where a KD trade makes sense for them. So the market for KD is really small so the nets are trying to leverage as much as they can to maximize their return but I'd be surprised if they walked out of this with a major haul.
Flash4thewin wrote:Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Playing the value game is going to get the Nets no where. There's really no way to measure the Value of a player like Durant so I get having to set the bar at all star level player but theres only 24 allstars every year and out of the 4-8 fringe allstars, chances are their teams aren't in the market or in a situation where a KD trade makes sense for them. So the market for KD is really small so the nets are trying to leverage as much as they can to maximize their return but I'd be surprised if they walked out of this with a major haul.
Teams do stupid things. Heck we are spending 180 million dollars on Duncan and Lowry and we are a good franchise. Right now the real "deadline" for the Nets is the the Allstar break or before the draft. If the offers are trash they can wait it out. Durant is on contract for 4 more year and it would be suicide for his brand and image to pull a Ben Simmons, everyone knows this. By waiting it out the Nets can see and rehabilitate Ben Simmons. Why trade him for pennies on the dollar when you can get real value when people see him play. Kyrie needs to be on his best behavior to get a long term deal. He is the only irrational actor here and even he picked up his option so money does talk. This also give the Nets a better change to see how other teams "assets" do. Say Herro over performs, thats great for us. If he under performs well we are toast. Also by waiting it out it will force us to extend Herro, so either its a good deal or a bad deal and its something the Nets dont have to worry about. The Nets can wait this out until next offseason, we on the other hand cannot. If we enter the season as currently constructed......Butler is Butler, he is not a patient person and he can blow up worse on us. Thats why we are the desperate ones to make a move, not the Nets.
I always found it strange that people graded players relationships based on seeing them talk on court after a game. If they have a close relationship, they wouldn't have to wait to see each other at the arena.MartyCONLONNN wrote:Beenie wrote:
Seems like a take and not a report.
most definitely a take. at this point it’s clear no1 knows exactly what the core of potential trade looks like except for the men sitting at that table for close to 2 hours. i also wish people would stop underestimating Jimmys relationships with stars just because hes not as outspoken and friendly after games as Bam. Jimmy is the guy that was putting up 40 point games in the playoffs and single handedly carrying the team in the biggest moments. i think stars would like to play with a guy like that over a buddy who is still figuring out when/how to show up.
I do hope there is a way to keep Bam in a KD trade btw, but Jimmy isnt getting enough credit here IMO.
