Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

[SerialChiller]

I’ve never seen Bourne happy

[Kobewade11]

Hoping we make an ACTUAL winning trade by the deadline. Not a money saving move disguised as an upgrade. Still have a massive hole at PF. There’s still “hope” but it’s very minimal imo

So entertain us all. Name 4 realistic names you think are a fit at PF

[3ammy3uck3ts]

It’s moot because his contract and it would just be hard to find a deal that makes sense for both sides but you counter the lack of shooting if we were to get Draymond with elite pull up 3 point shooters which we have in Terry, Herro, and Duncan.

All you’d have to do is 1, tell Jimmy to stop trolling and start shooting 3s instead of saving it for the playoffs and and 2, spam DHO/pick n roll/pop actions using Bam and Draymond for Rozier Herro and Duncan, if their man sags off because their not shooters or because they’re playing drop defensively they’re getting torched.

[Bourne85]

Hoping we make an ACTUAL winning trade by the deadline. Not a money saving move disguised as an upgrade. Still have a massive hole at PF. There’s still “hope” but it’s very minimal imo

So entertain us all. Name 4 realistic names you think are a fit at PF

The issue is there isn’t anyone great enough available that pushes us over the top. When there was a guy available, it was Lillard and Riley didn’t get it done. So now we settle on Scary Hours. Now we need a PF. We don’t have the assets to land star so your looking at mid and low tier guys. Those are guys like Dorian Finney Smith/Keegan Murray/Kuzma/Randle/Jeremy Grant/Collins/JJJ/Kelly O. Only realistic ones I see is Dorian, Kuzma, Kelly. None of them make us title contenders but they do improve the team.

If we’re talking unrealistic guys, the actual ones that would propel us to a title chance. We would need Towns/Lauri Mark/AD/KD. None of which are remotely attainable. Hence my position that we will not be winning this year. We might’ve, if we landed Lillard and a very good PF. But we didn’t. Sometimes you lose the season before it starts and I believe this is one of those years. Scary Terry hasn’t changed this.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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That’s the thing, Herro needs to complement Rozier. Not the other way around

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Rapaz]

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Stay tuned.

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[Wiltside]

I mean, we've won like 3 times in over 30+ years of existence. Sometimes you just have to accept that your team is not the best team, and that others might be further ahead. You're never going to have a flawless team, there will always be strengths and weaknesses. Boston has a nice starting 5 but no depth, for example.

There's no means to acquire a Towns/Lauri/AD/KD. None of those teams are selling those players. We have no future picks to really trade, and majority of those guys would cost us Bam at any rate which would be counter productive.

We have a capable team that has been to the Finals/Conference Finals over the past few years. We had poor health in the bubble that cost us a chip vs LA, and the Nuggets were a bad matchup for us - and Jimmy was banged up by the time that series began.

Part of the fun of being a fan is being on the journey and watching your team finally climb the mountain top. That's not going to be every year, and some years are more fun than others.

We've made an important first step in getting Rozier, who fits a huge need for us as a scoring guard. Do we have more work to do? Sure, but let's hope the team can get back on track and the injection of Rozier gives us a reset after the last few frustrating games.

[IceColdCubano]

Hoping we make an ACTUAL winning trade by the deadline. Not a money saving move disguised as an upgrade. Still have a massive hole at PF. There’s still “hope” but it’s very minimal imo

So entertain us all. Name 4 realistic names you think are a fit at PF

So I entertained this went to see and drilled down: PF, Expiring in 2024, Making ($6.9M or less /- 15%) to trade Caleb Martin for 1 for 1 swap: Minimum $5.8M coming back allowed
Danilo Gallinari - Detroit - $6.6M
Obi Toppin - Indiana - $5.5M (Close Call)

Drilled down: PF, Expiring in 2024, Making ($8.8M or less /- 15% )to trade (Caleb Martin + Dru Smith) for 2 for 1 swap:
Jeff Green - Houston - $8M
Thaddeus Young - Toronto - $8M

Drilled down: PF, Expiring in 2024, Making ($19M or less /- 15% )to trade (Duncan Robinson) for 1 for 1 swap:
NOBODY IS AVAILABLE AT THAT RANGE EVEN WITHIN 30% +/- for a 1 for 1 swap.

Drilled down: PF, Expiring in 2024, Making ($19M or less /- 15% )to trade (Duncan Robinson) for 1 for 2 swap, Miami getting back 2 players:
Kelly Olynyk - Utah - $12.3M + (Keyonte George $3.8M) or (Ochai Agbaji $4.1M) or (Taylor Hendricks $5.5M) only combos.
Robert Covington - Philadelphia - $12M + (Danuel House Jr $4.3M) or ( Furkan Korkmaz $5.3M) only combos.
P.J. Tucker - LA Clippers - $11M + (No players exist, they don't have room to absorb additional salary).
Kyle Anderson - Minnesota - $9M + (No players exist, they can however absorb additional salary) + (Shake Milton $5M) or (Nick ALex Walker $4.6M) only combos. will require compensation to have them absorb salary they have $7M in first Apron space.


Just looking at this tells me that those prequesits are hard to fit and also, only viable option for upgrade from the list worth entertaining is Olynyk, but I don't think the FO would deal for that at this stage with Duncans efficiency and all around game.

[Kobewade11]

The issue is there isn’t anyone great enough available that pushes us over the top. When there was a guy available, it was Lillard and Riley didn’t get it done. So now we settle on Scary Hours. Now we need a PF. We don’t have the assets to land star so your looking at mid and low tier guys. Those are guys like Dorian Finney Smith/Keegan Murray/Kuzma/Randle/Jeremy Grant/Collins/JJJ/Kelly O. Only realistic ones I see is Dorian, Kuzma, Kelly. None of them make us title contenders but they do improve the team.

If we’re talking unrealistic guys, the actual ones that would propel us to a title chance. We would need Towns/Lauri Mark/AD/KD. None of which are remotely attainable. Hence my position that we will not be winning this year. We might’ve, if we landed Lillard and a very good PF. But we didn’t. Sometimes you lose the season before it starts and I believe this is one of those years. Scary Terry hasn’t changed this.

There's a 'massive hole' at PF even with Lillard, last time I checked he wasn't a big and we wouldn't have had any assets left over to take a swing at one.

[unowen85]

Damn, no one agreed.

I’ll take the loss like you did with Bosh vs. Bam poll.

Hey it’s all good, to this day no one built an even respectable argument for Bosh, it was all just straight up name recognition lol. He’s got a better deep jump shot I’ll give him that’s, outside of that…….

Meanwhile at Bams current trajectory he will just continue to prove I was right about that AND is a lock for hall of fame so you’ll be wrong on that too whether he wins a championship or not

I'm one of the biggest Bam stans here, so I hope he continues to improve to the point of HOF lock. Thinking of similar players to him, Kemp and Stoudemire haven't made it, and we'll see if Blake makes it. So he'll have to put up a resume better than theirs.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Hoping we make an ACTUAL winning trade by the deadline. Not a money saving move disguised as an upgrade. Still have a massive hole at PF. There’s still “hope” but it’s very minimal imo

So entertain us all. Name 4 realistic names you think are a fit at PF

So I entertained this went to see and drilled down: PF, Expiring in 2024, Making ($6.9M or less /- 15%) to trade Caleb Martin for 1 for 1 swap: Minimum $5.8M coming back allowed
Danilo Gallinari - Detroit - $6.6M
Obi Toppin - Indiana - $5.5M (Close Call)

Drilled down: PF, Expiring in 2024, Making ($8.8M or less /- 15% )to trade (Caleb Martin + Dru Smith) for 2 for 1 swap:
Jeff Green - Houston - $8M
Thaddeus Young - Toronto - $8M

Drilled down: PF, Expiring in 2024, Making ($19M or less /- 15% )to trade (Duncan Robinson) for 1 for 1 swap:
NOBODY IS AVAILABLE AT THAT RANGE EVEN WITHIN 30% +/- for a 1 for 1 swap.

Drilled down: PF, Expiring in 2024, Making ($19M or less /- 15% )to trade (Duncan Robinson) for 1 for 2 swap, Miami getting back 2 players:
Kelly Olynyk - Utah - $12.3M + (Keyonte George $3.8M) or (Ochai Agbaji $4.1M) or (Taylor Hendricks $5.5M) only combos.
Robert Covington - Philadelphia - $12M + (Danuel House Jr $4.3M) or ( Furkan Korkmaz $5.3M) only combos.
P.J. Tucker - LA Clippers - $11M + (No players exist, they don't have room to absorb additional salary).
Kyle Anderson - Minnesota - $9M + (No players exist, they can however absorb additional salary) + (Shake Milton $5M) or (Nick ALex Walker $4.6M) only combos. will require compensation to have them absorb salary they have $7M in first Apron space.

None of these players make sense for Caleb Martin. Caleb Martin's play and his 6.8 million contract are worth a lot more to this team then just trading him for the sake of trading him.

[Bourne85]

I mean, we've won like 3 times in over 30+ years of existence. Sometimes you just have to accept that your team is not the best team, and that others might be further ahead. You're never going to have a flawless team, there will always be strengths and weaknesses. Boston has a nice starting 5 but no depth, for example.

There's no means to acquire a Towns/Lauri/AD/KD. None of those teams are selling those players. We have no future picks to really trade, and majority of those guys would cost us Bam at any rate which would be counter productive.

We have a capable team that has been to the Finals/Conference Finals over the past few years. We had poor health in the bubble that cost us a chip vs LA, and the Nuggets were a bad matchup for us - and Jimmy was banged up by the time that series began.

Part of the fun of being a fan is being on the journey and watching your team finally climb the mountain top. That's not going to be every year, and some years are more fun than others.

We've made an important first step in getting Rozier, who fits a huge need for us as a scoring guard. Do we have more work to do? Sure, but let's hope the team can get back on track and the injection of Rozier gives us a reset after the last few frustrating games.

I agree, which is why I broke them up into two categories. Good players that make us better and might be attainable. And Stars that would push us over the top that are not attainable. Dorian/Kelly/Kuzma make us better. And might be attainable. I don’t think it’s enough, but it’s better than where we currently stand.

[Wiltside]

Hell, none of us liked it, but I could see Spo just going back to Caleb at the 4 again tbh.

Rozier / Richardson
Herro / Robinson
Butler / Jaquez
Martin / Highsmith or Jovic
Adebayo / Love

That's probably going to end up the 5, unless we swing a deal.

[IceColdCubano]

So entertain us all. Name 4 realistic names you think are a fit at PF

So I entertained this went to see and drilled down: PF, Expiring in 2024, Making ($6.9M or less /- 15%) to trade Caleb Martin for 1 for 1 swap: Minimum $5.8M coming back allowed
Danilo Gallinari - Detroit - $6.6M
Obi Toppin - Indiana - $5.5M (Close Call)

Drilled down: PF, Expiring in 2024, Making ($8.8M or less /- 15% )to trade (Caleb Martin + Dru Smith) for 2 for 1 swap:
Jeff Green - Houston - $8M
Thaddeus Young - Toronto - $8M

Drilled down: PF, Expiring in 2024, Making ($19M or less /- 15% )to trade (Duncan Robinson) for 1 for 1 swap:
NOBODY IS AVAILABLE AT THAT RANGE EVEN WITHIN 30% +/- for a 1 for 1 swap.

Drilled down: PF, Expiring in 2024, Making ($19M or less /- 15% )to trade (Duncan Robinson) for 1 for 2 swap, Miami getting back 2 players:
Kelly Olynyk - Utah - $12.3M + (Keyonte George $3.8M) or (Ochai Agbaji $4.1M) or (Taylor Hendricks $5.5M) only combos.
Robert Covington - Philadelphia - $12M + (Danuel House Jr $4.3M) or ( Furkan Korkmaz $5.3M) only combos.
P.J. Tucker - LA Clippers - $11M + (No players exist, they don't have room to absorb additional salary).
Kyle Anderson - Minnesota - $9M + (No players exist, they can however absorb additional salary) + (Shake Milton $5M) or (Nick ALex Walker $4.6M) only combos. will require compensation to have them absorb salary they have $7M in first Apron space.

None of these players make sense for Caleb Martin. Caleb Martin's play and his 6.8 million contract are worth a lot more to this team then just trading him for the sake of trading him.

Just doing the homework told me everything I needed to see there is no world were we can attain a good PF upgrade unless were willing to throw Tyler Herro into the trade, no other way, unless your ok doing the Olynyk and filler for Duncan Robinson thats it.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Duncan Robinson 18.1 Thomas Bryant 2.5 Dru Smith 1.8
Total: 22.4 million

for

PG Monte Morris
SG Alec Burks
Total: 20.2 million

or

SF/PF Bojan Bogdonovic
Total: 20 million

or

PF Kelly Olynyk
PG/SG Talen Horton Tucker
Total: 23.2 million

or

PG Delon Wright
SG Landry Shamet
Total: 18.4 million

All contracts coming back are expiring.

[MettaWorldPanda]

So I entertained this went to see and drilled down: PF, Expiring in 2024, Making ($6.9M or less /- 15%) to trade Caleb Martin for 1 for 1 swap: Minimum $5.8M coming back allowed
Danilo Gallinari - Detroit - $6.6M
Obi Toppin - Indiana - $5.5M (Close Call)

Drilled down: PF, Expiring in 2024, Making ($8.8M or less /- 15% )to trade (Caleb Martin + Dru Smith) for 2 for 1 swap:
Jeff Green - Houston - $8M
Thaddeus Young - Toronto - $8M

Drilled down: PF, Expiring in 2024, Making ($19M or less /- 15% )to trade (Duncan Robinson) for 1 for 1 swap:
NOBODY IS AVAILABLE AT THAT RANGE EVEN WITHIN 30% +/- for a 1 for 1 swap.

Drilled down: PF, Expiring in 2024, Making ($19M or less /- 15% )to trade (Duncan Robinson) for 1 for 2 swap, Miami getting back 2 players:
Kelly Olynyk - Utah - $12.3M + (Keyonte George $3.8M) or (Ochai Agbaji $4.1M) or (Taylor Hendricks $5.5M) only combos.
Robert Covington - Philadelphia - $12M + (Danuel House Jr $4.3M) or ( Furkan Korkmaz $5.3M) only combos.
P.J. Tucker - LA Clippers - $11M + (No players exist, they don't have room to absorb additional salary).
Kyle Anderson - Minnesota - $9M + (No players exist, they can however absorb additional salary) + (Shake Milton $5M) or (Nick ALex Walker $4.6M) only combos. will require compensation to have them absorb salary they have $7M in first Apron space.

None of these players make sense for Caleb Martin. Caleb Martin's play and his 6.8 million contract are worth a lot more to this team then just trading him for the sake of trading him.

Just doing the homework told me everything I needed to see there is no world were we can attain a good PF upgrade unless were willing to throw Tyler Herro into the trade, no other way, unless your ok doing the Olynyk and filler for Duncan Robinson thats it.

I know this and this is why it's important that we educate the community of these findings lol

[Wiltside]

Duncan Robinson 18.1 Thomas Bryant 2.5 Dru Smith 1.8
Total: 22.4 million

for

PG Monte Morris
SG Alec Burks
Total: 20.2 million

or

SF/PF Bojan Bogdonovic
Total: 20 million

or

PF Kelly Olynyk
PG/SG Talen Horton Tucker
Total: 23.2 million

or

PG Delon Wright
SG Landry Shamet
Total: 18.4 million

All contracts coming back are expiring.

Bojan would be handy as an offensive punch, particularly if we're losing Duncan.