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Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0

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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0 

Post#1801 » by Voltron914 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:36 pm

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▪ What’s the organization’s plan moving forward after a first-round loss to Boston and a relatively quiet first week of free agency, which included re-signing Kevin Love, Haywood Highsmith and Thomas Bryant; losing Caleb Martin; and adding skilled three-pointer shooter Alec Burks at the minimum?

The plan now is for patience and prudence, to wait for an opportunity to pounce when a player the Heat really likes becomes available in the trade market, with the hope that the other team likes Miami’s assets.

The Heat does not look at this as a situation where it absolutely must change its roster by the start of the season. While the Heat would like to upgrade, the Heat sees that opportunity being available all the way up until the Feb. 6 trade deadline. That’s how it’s being viewed internally.

▪ So why is Miami OK with keeping together a team that was the eighth seed the past two years?

The Heat still believes in Jimmy Butler and a core that made three deep playoff runs, and two Finals appearances, in five years.

Those playoff runs carry more weight, in Miami’s view, than the fact that the Heat finished with a top-four seed only once in the past five years (fifth, sixth, first, eighth and eighth).

Though the Heat knows an impactful addition from outside would be helpful to make the team a more serious title threat — and will continue to seek one — the organization decided there’s no need to blow up the roster, trade Butler at this time or make a lateral move simply for change’s sake.

The Heat’s belief is that health and game availability — not a serious talent deficit — is what mostly has held Miami back. That conclusion did not change during an offseason evaluation, even with an acknowledgment that more is probably needed to win a title.

▪ Is the Heat in the mix for any of the players bandied about publicly in trades?

As of early this week, nothing was imminent.


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so are they going to tone down on those infamous practices and focus more on recovery? tired of seeing random dnps through out the season
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0 

Post#1802 » by al bondiga » Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:51 pm

yeaaa, Run it back!! wopi! Someday will be the champs, Because we have the courage to run it back!! Yes baby yes this is the way
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Post#1803 » by Kobewade11 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:57 pm

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So Terry meets some chick, invites her to a party and his crib. One of his friends invites her to a separate place (that doesnt appear to be owned by Rozier and he also was not there?) and was allegedly assaulted by said friend..did I follow this right?
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Post#1804 » by Rapaz » Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:51 pm

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Post#1805 » by Beenie » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:07 pm

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So Terry meets some chick, invites her to a party and his crib. One of his friends invites her to a separate place (that doesnt appear to be owned by Rozier and he also was not there?) and was allegedly assaulted by said friend..did I follow this right?


Pretty much. He did have a direct text interaction with the chick and basically told her to piss off though.
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Post#1806 » by Rapaz » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:14 pm

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Post#1807 » by El Alonzo scowl » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:38 pm

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▪ What’s the organization’s plan moving forward after a first-round loss to Boston and a relatively quiet first week of free agency, which included re-signing Kevin Love, Haywood Highsmith and Thomas Bryant; losing Caleb Martin; and adding skilled three-pointer shooter Alec Burks at the minimum?

The plan now is for patience and prudence, to wait for an opportunity to pounce when a player the Heat really likes becomes available in the trade market, with the hope that the other team likes Miami’s assets.

The Heat does not look at this as a situation where it absolutely must change its roster by the start of the season. While the Heat would like to upgrade, the Heat sees that opportunity being available all the way up until the Feb. 6 trade deadline. That’s how it’s being viewed internally.

▪ So why is Miami OK with keeping together a team that was the eighth seed the past two years?

The Heat still believes in Jimmy Butler and a core that made three deep playoff runs, and two Finals appearances, in five years.

Those playoff runs carry more weight, in Miami’s view, than the fact that the Heat finished with a top-four seed only once in the past five years (fifth, sixth, first, eighth and eighth).

Though the Heat knows an impactful addition from outside would be helpful to make the team a more serious title threat — and will continue to seek one — the organization decided there’s no need to blow up the roster, trade Butler at this time or make a lateral move simply for change’s sake.

The Heat’s belief is that health and game availability — not a serious talent deficit — is what mostly has held Miami back. That conclusion did not change during an offseason evaluation, even with an acknowledgment that more is probably needed to win a title.

▪ Is the Heat in the mix for any of the players bandied about publicly in trades?

As of early this week, nothing was imminent.


That is a depressing read... :noway:

Seriously, they make it so easy to just checkout of the regular season
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Post#1808 » by SA37 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:38 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:My only hope with this deal is that a 2026 2nd and 2029 swap gets the deal over the top. Hope that they want to get rid of Collins to make more time for Henricks and Filipowski. Clarkson is 32 so they get 8 years younger with Herro and Duncan is pretty much an expiring next year or a contract that Ainge can flip easily to a contender in need of shooting. It could potentially have some legs. Clarkson and Collins would provide us some great depth that's for sure.


I don't think Miami thinks that highly of Collins or Clarkson. In general, Riley likes to stick with what he's got rather than making trades that don't bring in stars/highly rated veterans who may or may not be on the decline (like Chris Paul or Kyle Lowry).

I personally like Collins as a player despite his limitations. I think he'd be an excellent fit with Adebayo because he can shoot the 3 and I think his rebounding and athleticism would be helpful. Clarkson would be a willing 6th man, which Herro is not.

This is what the FO's major problem is. They keep on thinking there in the race for all these star players but yet all we have in the cupboard right now is one 2030 1st rd pick to trade and 2 seconds 2026 and 2031. That's 3 picks compared to some of these teams around the league that are flaunting cupboards of 20 picks or more. Really sad state right now. This deal though seems nominal on the surface would be something similar to when we dealt Winslow for Crowder and Iguodala. That move was clowned by many but ended up putting the team that year over the top. I could see a similar situation with Collins and Clarkson. Especially with them both playing the roles are that needed here.


Yeah, as I've mentioned previously, Riley just doesn't care for the Draft and doesn't build teams through the Draft, which is why I've responded to a few trade ideas that a bunch of draft capital is something Riley would rather move immediately and get known quantities back.

The deal you mentioned is a youngin' for two vets. Totally Riley's cup of tea. And I would bet anything Riley was 100% convinced he was getting the best player there (Iguodala). And that is the big issue I see with the Collins+Clarkson for Herro+Robinson swap: Miami is probably not getting the best player back while trading its two best shooters.

I wrote in a previous post that Riley and company would probably double-down on the current roster given the recent deep runs in the playoffs, including one without Herro. And it seems like 2025 is going to be severely lacking in FA star power (no idea about 2026 or 2027), so it kind of seems Miami can take their chances on this team or trade Butler (and probably Herro), get draft capital, and tank.

Riley's never going to choose the latter.
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Post#1809 » by NightWatch » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:32 pm

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CAMDEN, N.J. -- Caleb Martin turned down a deal that would have reportedly paid him $65 million over the next five seasons to stay with the Miami Heat and instead signed a four-year deal guaranteed for more than $32 million with the Philadelphia 76ers, a decision he's taking as a lesson and moving past.

"Just certain things didn't work," Martin said Tuesday at the Sixers' New Jersey complex. "There was a lot of things behind the scenes that went on. Ultimately, there was a lot in making that decision. There's a lot that contributed to how everything went. But past is past, can't do nothing about that.



Wonder what is going on behind the scenes...

Can't be nothing.....or why else leave 30m on the table ....
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Maybe Heat gave him a very short deadline. Like they made their offer at 12pm and deadline is 12:30 pm on the same day. After 12;30, Heat will pull the offer and he will never see that offer again and he thought 76ers would up their offer. Lamar Odom, sounds familiar?
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Post#1810 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:33 pm

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I thought this was a minor injury? Must be Nikola Topic’s doctor.
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Post#1811 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:36 pm

Jovic is another early in his career that has some sort of nagging injury. Right now Highsmith is the only legit backup 4 who should be playing the 2/3. FML with this roster construction.
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Post#1812 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:37 pm

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dshearn wrote:Am I late to this?

CAMDEN, N.J. -- Caleb Martin turned down a deal that would have reportedly paid him $65 million over the next five seasons to stay with the Miami Heat and instead signed a four-year deal guaranteed for more than $32 million with the Philadelphia 76ers, a decision he's taking as a lesson and moving past.

"Just certain things didn't work," Martin said Tuesday at the Sixers' New Jersey complex. "There was a lot of things behind the scenes that went on. Ultimately, there was a lot in making that decision. There's a lot that contributed to how everything went. But past is past, can't do nothing about that.



Wonder what is going on behind the scenes...

Can't be nothing.....or why else leave 30m on the table ....
.

Maybe Heat gave him a very short deadline. Like they made their offer at 12pm and deadline is 12:30 pm on the same day. After 12;30, Heat will pull the offer and he will never see that offer again and he thought 76ers would up their offer. Lamar Odom, sounds familiar?

Heat were only able to make this offer the day before free agency opened. There was a moratorium with negotiating with own free agents.
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Post#1813 » by CrossOver » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:45 pm

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dshearn wrote:Am I late to this?

CAMDEN, N.J. -- Caleb Martin turned down a deal that would have reportedly paid him $65 million over the next five seasons to stay with the Miami Heat and instead signed a four-year deal guaranteed for more than $32 million with the Philadelphia 76ers, a decision he's taking as a lesson and moving past.

"Just certain things didn't work," Martin said Tuesday at the Sixers' New Jersey complex. "There was a lot of things behind the scenes that went on. Ultimately, there was a lot in making that decision. There's a lot that contributed to how everything went. But past is past, can't do nothing about that.



Wonder what is going on behind the scenes...

Can't be nothing.....or why else leave 30m on the table ....
.

Maybe Heat gave him a very short deadline. Like they made their offer at 12pm and deadline is 12:30 pm on the same day. After 12;30, Heat will pull the offer and he will never see that offer again and he thought 76ers would up their offer. Lamar Odom, sounds familiar?

Heat were only able to make this offer the day before free agency opened. There was a moratorium with negotiating with own free agents.


Particularly, he would have had to pick up his player option to then agree to that extension.
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Post#1814 » by Wiltside » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:56 pm

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I thought this was a minor injury? Must be Nikola Topic’s doctor.


I read that he arrived to camp a week ago in a moon boot. So probably not a surprise they’ve elected to keep him out of the practice matches and continue getting ready for the real thing.

Hopefully he can recover and get back on the court soon.
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Post#1815 » by HeatIn5 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:00 pm

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So Terry meets some chick, invites her to a party and his crib. One of his friends invites her to a separate place (that doesnt appear to be owned by Rozier and he also was not there?) and was allegedly assaulted by said friend..did I follow this right?


Pretty much. He did have a direct text interaction with the chick and basically told her to piss off though.



So it wasn’t until her pants were off that she found out they had drugs and guns?

Feel like there’s more to this story
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Post#1816 » by twix2500 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:17 pm

HeatIn5 wrote:
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Kobewade11 wrote:So Terry meets some chick, invites her to a party and his crib. One of his friends invites her to a separate place (that doesnt appear to be owned by Rozier and he also was not there?) and was allegedly assaulted by said friend..did I follow this right?


Pretty much. He did have a direct text interaction with the chick and basically told her to piss off though.



So it wasn’t until her pants were off that she found out they had drugs and guns?

Feel like there’s more to this story


Her problem wasnt with the guy having drugs. She got into an argument and abused for being the one who stole it.
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Post#1817 » by HeatIn5 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:32 pm

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Pretty much. He did have a direct text interaction with the chick and basically told her to piss off though.



So it wasn’t until her pants were off that she found out they had drugs and guns?

Feel like there’s more to this story


Her problem wasnt with the guy having drugs. She got into an argument and abused for being the one who stole it.



“ These men's have illegal guns, drugs all over the house and the police still won't help me”
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Post#1818 » by twix2500 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:36 pm

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twix2500 wrote:
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So it wasn’t until her pants were off that she found out they had drugs and guns?

Feel like there’s more to this story


Her problem wasnt with the guy having drugs. She got into an argument and abused for being the one who stole it.



“ These men's have illegal guns, drugs all over the house and the police still won't help me”


She called the police for the abuse. She agreed to get the drugs for them but it went up missing. The complaint is about her abuse.
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Post#1819 » by dshearn » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:44 pm

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So Terry meets some chick, invites her to a party and his crib. One of his friends invites her to a separate place (that doesnt appear to be owned by Rozier and he also was not there?) and was allegedly assaulted by said friend..did I follow this right?



Yeah, I think so..... might be his brother tho, not a friend. Or maybe people are referring to the other male as a fellow African American not biological brother.

It seems clear that Terry was not there, and asked her for her side of the story....in the text she did not dispute that Terry was not there......

There is video of the young lady absolutely loosing her **** on an air plane, with flight attendants, air cop? Pilot ???....flight crew trying to get her in flex cuffs and carried off the plane.... Clearly it is going to take more than 3 of them to get her under control.

That chick is full on mental on the air plane...I dont know if that is her normal day to day mental state....I hope she gets help.
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Post#1820 » by dshearn » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:51 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:
dshearn wrote:Am I late to this?

CAMDEN, N.J. -- Caleb Martin turned down a deal that would have reportedly paid him $65 million over the next five seasons to stay with the Miami Heat and instead signed a four-year deal guaranteed for more than $32 million with the Philadelphia 76ers, a decision he's taking as a lesson and moving past.

"Just certain things didn't work," Martin said Tuesday at the Sixers' New Jersey complex. "There was a lot of things behind the scenes that went on. Ultimately, there was a lot in making that decision. There's a lot that contributed to how everything went. But past is past, can't do nothing about that.



Wonder what is going on behind the scenes...

Can't be nothing.....or why else leave 30m on the table ....


He had to opt in to the last year of his contract in order to get that 4 year ‘extension’. The Heat advised his agent that the money wasnt going to be there after the opt-in deadline, once they (Martin/agent) realized the market wasnt as robust as they thought it would be they tried to circle back but at that point it was too late. It had to be done prior to make the math work unless he would take a paycut.

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Thank you for the timeline....I did not realize that.....

Caleb is one of my favorite Heat players of this run...I wish we could have kept him forever.....but this was probably a blessing in disguise.

We were lucky to get the run up to the finals from Duncan that we got the season before last to take a tiny bit of the sting out of what Duncan is getting paid,, but we already got to many highly paid overachievers on the roster to be consistent.

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