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2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down

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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down 

Post#1801 » by batterybro42 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 1:04 pm

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MartyConlonJr wrote:I think the thing about Trae is that he is this unbelievable shooter, yet has a career 35.3% 3 point percentage, and 34.0% this year. His best year was 38.2%. Not counting Steph Curry's 5 game 19-20 season where he shot 24.5%, his worst 3 point shooting season was 38.0%, and basically every other year has been in the 40+%. And on way better volume. So you feel like you are getting Steph, yet he is pretty inefficient.

He rarely has an eFG >50% (weirdly he alternates each year between under and over), though he does get to the line a lot.

But then obviously there is the playmaking, though he is extremely heliocentric. We do have the right kind of guys for him in Bam and Ware as lob threats, and Wiggins and Herro as shooters to make more space, plus the other guys.

I think I would be more excited if:
1. His face wasn't so punchable :)
2. His offense was highly efficient to make up for the lack of defense.

If you have 2 guys like Herro and Trae, and they are efficient 3 point shooters and scorers on one end, but turnstiles on the other end, but the opposition is trading their 2's for our 3's, then I could see the appeal, but I think the issue with Trae is I don't know that he puts out more on the offensive end than what he gives up on the defensive end.

Like if he shot 40%+ from three, I'd be much more intrigued.


3. He's got the gait and frail build of an 80-year-old.

Young is a very skillful player, but it's hard to see his skills translating any better in Miami (or elsewhere) than they have in Atlanta. I think there is a similar case to be made for a guy like LaMelo Ball. Endless skill, entertainment value, and playmaking, but it just doesn't translate to winning basketball. Very Iverson-esque.

I see some of that with Herro, and I think Miami would be better off if it had a pass-first, defense-oriented point guard to get Herro off the ball. Jrue Holiday, FVV (although his shooting % are atrocious), Mike Conley...etc someone in that mold. Basically what Miami was hoping to get with Lowry.

My expectation is M Smart will be bought out before the start of next season and Miami will bring him in to try to play this role, although he doesn't really have the shooting or point guard skills to be optimal.


I would do bad things to get Lamelo Ball to be here. That to me is a guy who is simply just not being Coached, but he would not buck it if he was due to his upbringing. In Charlotte Lamelo is allowed to do whatever it is he wants, and he is 23 years old and still immature. He needs to be in a grown up organization, that calls him out for doing dumb stuff. I think he has the potential to be an elite defender, and a high level creator/facilitator, but he needs to be in an environment where that can happen.

Guys that I want and would keep an eye on moving forward

Edwards
Ball
Luka

I think there is merit depending on how the rest of this year goes, and the prospects we have this summer of grabbing one of those 3 via trade of trying to get KD in here for a one year rental run. He will be demanding a trade this summer.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down 

Post#1802 » by Pokuokic » Mon Feb 10, 2025 1:12 pm

Never got the appeal of Trae tiny PG who gets shut down every playoffs/serious game, he hits game winners yes but his ball dominant inefficiency no defense and constantly disgusting foul baiting is super unappealing and losses more than it wins. He's got good squads but always hovers around. 500 or below with them a legit star would be winning. 50+ games in the East no problem with the squads he's had.
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Post#1803 » by RexBoyWonder » Mon Feb 10, 2025 1:54 pm

KD would've been a perfect fit in every aspect - expect age which is totally wrong for us.

Tray Young could've been a good fit if we had a strong defender at SG instead of Herro.

We do need that type of player - an offensive main character - but those 2 just don't do it.

Guess we need to wait, develop the young guys and hope somebody that fits shakes loss and asks out. Hopefully won't be waiting for years.
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Post#1804 » by twix2500 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 1:56 pm

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Post#1805 » by twix2500 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:10 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:KD would've been a perfect fit in every aspect - expect age which is totally wrong for us.

Tray Young could've been a good fit if we had a strong defender at SG instead of Herro.

We do need that type of player - an offensive main character - but those 2 just don't do it.

Guess we need to wait, develop the young guys and hope somebody that fits shakes loss and asks out. Hopefully won't be waiting for years.


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Post#1806 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:18 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:KD would've been a perfect fit in every aspect - expect age which is totally wrong for us.

Tray Young could've been a good fit if we had a strong defender at SG instead of Herro.

We do need that type of player - an offensive main character - but those 2 just don't do it.

Guess we need to wait, develop the young guys and hope somebody that fits shakes loss and asks out. Hopefully won't be waiting for years.


I tried to see who in the nba currently fits what we need at PG and was a realistic option… and can only come up with Fox! He was supposed to wait for this summer, when we would have the assets to put in realistic offers for him!!! Why SacTown!?! Why did you not wait?!?

I am not see any other realistic young PGs that fit our need and play style.
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Post#1807 » by twix2500 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:52 pm

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RexBoyWonder wrote:KD would've been a perfect fit in every aspect - expect age which is totally wrong for us.

Tray Young could've been a good fit if we had a strong defender at SG instead of Herro.

We do need that type of player - an offensive main character - but those 2 just don't do it.

Guess we need to wait, develop the young guys and hope somebody that fits shakes loss and asks out. Hopefully won't be waiting for years.


I tried to see who in the nba currently fits what we need at PG and was a realistic option… and can only come up with Fox! He was supposed to wait for this summer, when we would have the assets to put in realistic offers for him!!! Why SacTown!?! Why did you not wait?!?

I am not see any other realistic young PGs that fit our need and play style.
Not many real point guards in the league anymore. A bunch of short shooting guards

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Post#1808 » by heater4life » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:00 pm

I’m excited to see this new team come together. Id be stoked to see a tough, gritty, punch you in the mouth type of squad. Mixed in with the young bucks rounding out their games, this reset was much needed. A part of me though wants the Heat to miss out these playoffs and potentially have two lottery picks.

If not to add cheap young pieces, to at least flip the pick for future firsts and open all our selections.

Excited either way.
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Post#1809 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:03 pm

The thing about Trae is he isn’t going to cost the farm. They were basically trying to give him away last summer but no one wanted the contract and basically everyone already has their PG in place (except us).

He’s the best playmaker in the league, would be huge for Herros off ball game, Bam, and then Ware (who is heavily reliant on others playmaking for 90% of his offense).

Obviously I would prefer KD, they’d both fix our offense though.
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Post#1810 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:05 pm

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Post#1811 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:09 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:The thing about Trae is he isn’t going to cost the farm. They were basically trying to give him away last summer but no one wanted the contract and basically everyone already has their PG in place (except us).

He’s the best playmaker in the league, would be huge for Herros off ball game, Bam, and then Ware (who is heavily reliant on others playmaking for 90% of his offense).

Obviously I would prefer KD, they’d both fix our offense though.

Rozier and Duncan equal his exact salary as expiring’s
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Post#1812 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:16 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:The thing about Trae is he isn’t going to cost the farm. They were basically trying to give him away last summer but no one wanted the contract and basically everyone already has their PG in place (except us).

He’s the best playmaker in the league, would be huge for Herros off ball game, Bam, and then Ware (who is heavily reliant on others playmaking for 90% of his offense).

Obviously I would prefer KD, they’d both fix our offense though.

Rozier and Duncan equal his exact salary as expiring’s


Rozier Duncan Jaime and a 1st if that can get me KD or Trae im doing it no questions asked
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Post#1813 » by greg4012 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:23 pm

If Miami wanted to commit to a build with Trae longterm, then Miami should shop Herro as part of that move. Will never be an optimized lineup with them sharing the backcourt.
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Post#1814 » by eddieheatfan » Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:07 pm

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/y/youngtr01.html trae

vs

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/herroty01.html tyler

they are similar players in my book

from chatgtp:

Tyler Herro and Trae Young are both talented players, but they have different styles and strengths, which makes direct comparisons a bit tricky. Here's a breakdown of their skills:

### **Trae Young**
- **Position:** Point guard
- **Key Strengths:** Scoring, Playmaking, Leadership
- **Offensive Impact:** Trae is one of the top offensive players in the NBA. His ability to score from anywhere on the court — including deep three-pointers — and his exceptional playmaking ability (averaging around 9 assists per game in recent seasons) make him a major offensive threat. His ball-handling and vision allow him to orchestrate the offense and create for teammates.
- **Weaknesses:** Defensively, Trae has struggled, often being a liability against stronger, more athletic opponents. His size also limits his ability to finish at the rim against bigger defenders.

### **Tyler Herro**
- **Position:** Shooting guard
- **Key Strengths:** Scoring, Shooting, Offensive Versatility
- **Offensive Impact:** Herro has developed into a highly skilled scorer, especially as a shooter. He’s an elite three-point shooter and has a solid mid-range game. Herro's ability to score off the dribble and in catch-and-shoot situations makes him a valuable offensive weapon. He’s also a solid passer, though not to the same level as Trae.
- **Weaknesses:** Like Trae, Herro has his defensive limitations. He's not as strong defensively as you'd want from a starting guard, and while he’s an offensive weapon, he doesn’t have the same playmaking ability or court vision as Trae.

### **Conclusion:**
- **Trae Young** is generally considered the better player overall because of his elite playmaking and scoring ability, particularly his deep shooting and ball-handling. He is a more dynamic player and has the ability to impact a game in many ways.
- **Tyler Herro** is a great scorer, especially as a shooter, but he doesn’t bring the same playmaking or offensive control that Trae does.

So, while both are excellent players, **Trae Young** is typically seen as the more complete and impactful player.
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Post#1815 » by twix2500 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:20 pm

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Post#1816 » by eddieheatfan » Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:27 pm

twix2500 wrote:
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Post#1817 » by dolphinatik » Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:56 pm

You don't build around tyler herro. Herro has done nothing to show he can lead a team. When herro is your 4th best player then you have a team. Objectively has herro ever been better than Jamal Crawford? ... and nobody would dare build a team around him. Good player but that's what herro is. This organization has lots of work to do.
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Post#1818 » by MartianTimeSlip » Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:59 pm

dolphinatik wrote:You don't build around tyler herro. Herro has done nothing to show he can lead a team. When herro is your 4th best player then you have a team. Objectively has herro ever been better than Jamal Crawford? ... and nobody would dare build a team around him. Good player but that's what herro is. This organization has lots of work to do.


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Post#1819 » by heater4life » Mon Feb 10, 2025 5:01 pm

I’m a fan of Herros game, I’m just not a fan of his game as a primary nor secondary option. He just doesn’t have enough handles nor creation ability to do it for me, nor does he have the defense to round out his deficiencies on the offensive end.

I think his current level of play is his ceiling. Although he may be more talented, I see him in the mold of Lou Williams, Eric Gordon, J Clarkson, Jason Terry, Ginobilli. I see elite scoring role player.

I think if the Heat ever have the chance to unload him for a legitimate primary option, they’ll do it.
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Post#1820 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Feb 10, 2025 5:07 pm

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