2025 Regular/Offseason Season Thread Vol. 10

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Totally not rigged. Good honest wholesome NBA.

[marson]

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he didnt do that with us

Love Max, but this just proves how the max contract guys lack any real leadership. Took a former G-League player to light a fire under them.

[marson]

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Totally not rigged. Good honest wholesome NBA.

Pretty sure Silver wasn't thrilled with LeBron's comment here. LeBron knows the whole league is backing the Luka-to-Lakers move for the low ratings, and it's obvious he’s not on board, this felt like a shot at the league.

Dude cried on post game on how he missed Anthony Davis.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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It’s a business.

[Heat3]

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Totally not rigged. Good honest wholesome NBA.

Hard to argue that the odds are <3% to win it for some teams when it is happening so often

[dshearn]

Another playoffs in the books and still no signature Evan Mobley moments, you really hate to see it

Or....

Hear me out on this.....


"you hate to see it...." or.... youre a salty fan that got pretty pissy that the Heat missed a rare draft slot to get a meaningless 4 games before being bounced....and you actually Enjoyed watching the Cav's getting destroyed....

I know where I stand on this issue...

[RexBoyWonder]

It's whatever for me about Copper. We couldn't have known in advance that the #11 will jump to #1. Chit happens.

But we do know is that by conveying the 2025 pick to OKC we now have our own 2026 and 2027 picks, and it's totally up to us if we want to add 2 high lottery picks in the next 2 years or do we want to go after old pre-retirement mercenaries.

I'm in the camp of go full youth movement - use the next 2 years to developed the young guys, sell off the old guys, add high picks, and start a new era.

If they go the other direction, in a couple of years this entire fan base will be crying about how miserable things are.

So stop crying about Copper Flag and start worrying about things we can actually control and plan for.

[VaDe255]

It could be a wild offseason:

- Giannis might be moved
- Durant might be moved
- Celtics might move Brown (his contract is crazy, but this would be a way to get a fitting quality wing for the Heat, because they can make a deal work)
- Celtics almost certainly are going to move KP or Jrue (don't want either, but who knows)
- Cavs are a 2nd apron team and might have to move one of their big 4

I think this will be absolutely crazy, I'd try to offer Terry/Wiggins for Brown (if he is on the market) to match salary + Jovic or Jaquez or both + draft capital to facilitate the deal, for sure needs to be a multi team trade.

If they go all in on the Bam/Herro build, I prefer they do it with a player on their timeline, Ware/Bam/Herro/Brown/Davion actually looks like a team that can defend and if Herro keeps improving might also be competend on offense, because Brown is a wing who can exploit mismatches.

[contract]

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Totally not rigged. Good honest wholesome NBA.

Pretty sure Silver wasn't thrilled with LeBron's comment here. LeBron knows the whole league is backing the Luka-to-Lakers move for the low ratings, and it's obvious he’s not on board, this felt like a shot at the league.

Dude cried on post game on how he missed Anthony Davis.

The Lakers should trade him to Charlotte.

[Kobewade11]

It's whatever for me about Copper. We couldn't have known in advance that the #11 will jump to #1. Chit happens.

But we do know is that by conveying the 2025 pick to OKC we now have our own 2026 and 2027 picks, and it's totally up to us if we want to add 2 high lottery picks in the next 2 years or do we want to go after old pre-retirement mercenaries.

I'm in the camp of go full youth movement - use the next 2 years to developed the young guys, sell off the old guys, add high picks, and start a new era.

If they go the other direction, in a couple qof years this entire fan base will be crying about how miserable things are.

So stop crying about Copper Flag and start worrying about things we can actually control and plan for.

‘They’ have given every indication that they intend to compete moving forward. What a lot of fans (not you) tend to do is lash out at the messengers for simply conveying the message. Im not saying what is right or wrong, what they should do or shouldnt do, and frankly it doesnt matter because Im not a decision maker. But there is no two year stealth tank coming, at least not this summer. Perhaps if they dont land a difference maker in July they pivot during the season/around ASB to ‘sell off’ some players.

[contract]

It's whatever for me about Copper. We couldn't have known in advance that the #11 will jump to #1. Chit happens.

But we do know is that by conveying the 2025 pick to OKC we now have our own 2026 and 2027 picks, and it's totally up to us if we want to add 2 high lottery picks in the next 2 years or do we want to go after old pre-retirement mercenaries.

I'm in the camp of go full youth movement - use the next 2 years to developed the young guys, sell off the old guys, add high picks, and start a new era.

If they go the other direction, in a couple of years this entire fan base will be crying about how miserable things are.

So stop crying about Copper Flag and start worrying about things we can actually control and plan for.

If ALL CAPS is yelling, what is oversized text?

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[contract]

It could be a wild offseason:

- Giannis might be moved
- Durant might be moved
- Celtics might move Brown (his contract is crazy, but this would be a way to get a fitting quality wing for the Heat, because they can make a deal work)
- Celtics almost certainly are going to move KP or Jrue (don't want either, but who knows)
- Cavs are a 2nd apron team and might have to move one of their big 4

I think this will be absolutely crazy, I'd try to offer Terry/Wiggins for Brown (if he is on the market) to match salary + Jovic or Jaquez or both + draft capital to facilitate the deal, for sure needs to be a multi team trade.

If they go all in on the Bam/Herro build, I prefer they do it with a player on their timeline, Ware/Bam/Herro/Brown/Davion actually looks like a team that can defend and if Herro keeps improving might also be competend on offense, because Brown is a wing who can exploit mismatches.

Why would the Celtics trade Brown? Holiday is the guy they need to move. He turns 35 in a month and > $35 million each of the next 3 years is way too much to pay him at this point. Porzingis and White and Horford also need to go. It was fun (for them) while it lasted, but now it's time to move on and rebuild around Brown and Tatum.

[MettaWorldPanda]

It could be a wild offseason:

- Giannis might be moved
- Durant might be moved
- Celtics might move Brown (his contract is crazy, but this would be a way to get a fitting quality wing for the Heat, because they can make a deal work)
- Celtics almost certainly are going to move KP or Jrue (don't want either, but who knows)
- Cavs are a 2nd apron team and might have to move one of their big 4

I think this will be absolutely crazy, I'd try to offer Terry/Wiggins for Brown (if he is on the market) to match salary + Jovic or Jaquez or both + draft capital to facilitate the deal, for sure needs to be a multi team trade.

If they go all in on the Bam/Herro build, I prefer they do it with a player on their timeline, Ware/Bam/Herro/Brown/Davion actually looks like a team that can defend and if Herro keeps improving might also be competend on offense, because Brown is a wing who can exploit mismatches.

Why would the Celtics trade Brown? Holiday is the guy they need to move. He turns 35 in a month and > $35 million each of the next 3 years is way too much to pay him at this point. Porzingis and White and Horford also need to go. It was fun (for them) while it lasted, but now it's time to move on and rebuild around Brown and Tatum.

And then the Celtics trade Brown to the Heat

[twix2500]

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Miami Heat just releases a special on Davion Mitchell. Is it a sign, maybe?

[greg4012]

Another playoffs in the books and still no signature Evan Mobley moments, you really hate to see it

Tear down with caution. Mobley is the current player most similar to Bam in the NBA.

[greg4012]

Herro massively upped his trade value this season, some wild takes out here

Some people put way too much weight on a couple bad games after he delivered his best season yet at 25.

Herro definitely improved his stock this season as a whole. With that said, all games are NOT weighted equally.

[VaDe255]

It could be a wild offseason:

- Giannis might be moved
- Durant might be moved
- Celtics might move Brown (his contract is crazy, but this would be a way to get a fitting quality wing for the Heat, because they can make a deal work)
- Celtics almost certainly are going to move KP or Jrue (don't want either, but who knows)
- Cavs are a 2nd apron team and might have to move one of their big 4

I think this will be absolutely crazy, I'd try to offer Terry/Wiggins for Brown (if he is on the market) to match salary + Jovic or Jaquez or both + draft capital to facilitate the deal, for sure needs to be a multi team trade.

If they go all in on the Bam/Herro build, I prefer they do it with a player on their timeline, Ware/Bam/Herro/Brown/Davion actually looks like a team that can defend and if Herro keeps improving might also be competend on offense, because Brown is a wing who can exploit mismatches.

Why would the Celtics trade Brown? Holiday is the guy they need to move. He turns 35 in a month and > $35 million each of the next 3 years is way too much to pay him at this point. Porzingis and White and Horford also need to go. It was fun (for them) while it lasted, but now it's time to move on and rebuild around Brown and Tatum.

The Tatum injury is absolutely brutal for them, it shatters the entire timeline for all the players involved. As you rightly noted, Harford is not resigned and they still have 225m on their payroll! KP and Jrue are almost certainly gone

Fitting ~$30M of KP/Jrue salary into another team’s cap without taking much back isn’t easy, but it’s something they’ll have to do. Expect them to get under the second apron, that’s likely a clear organizational goal, both to avoid frozen draft picks and to re enable basic roster building tools.

They’ll need to shed ~$20M just to get below the second apron, and another ~$20M to fully escape the repeater tax in a season where Brown and White are your best players.

Let’s be real: the Celtics might be a play-in team next year, with three of their top five guys (Tatum, KP, Jrue) out of the picture.

I also wouldn’t automatically assume they keep building with Tatum/Brown/White long term. If they were ever going to move Brown, this is about as good a time as you’ll get. It’s definitely not off the table. GMs don’t think like fans, they’ll deal with any team if the return fits their goals. Sure, trading with a conference rival isn’t ideal, but it’s not some major deterrent either.

[DayofMourning]

Ware 7'
Bam 6'9"
Jovic 6'10"
KD 7'
Herro 6'5"

Goodbye small ball.

[greg4012]

It could be a wild offseason:

- Giannis might be moved
- Durant might be moved
- Celtics might move Brown (his contract is crazy, but this would be a way to get a fitting quality wing for the Heat, because they can make a deal work)
- Celtics almost certainly are going to move KP or Jrue (don't want either, but who knows)
- Cavs are a 2nd apron team and might have to move one of their big 4

I think this will be absolutely crazy, I'd try to offer Terry/Wiggins for Brown (if he is on the market) to match salary + Jovic or Jaquez or both + draft capital to facilitate the deal, for sure needs to be a multi team trade.

If they go all in on the Bam/Herro build, I prefer they do it with a player on their timeline, Ware/Bam/Herro/Brown/Davion actually looks like a team that can defend and if Herro keeps improving might also be competend on offense, because Brown is a wing who can exploit mismatches.

Why would the Celtics trade Brown? Holiday is the guy they need to move. He turns 35 in a month and > $35 million each of the next 3 years is way too much to pay him at this point. Porzingis and White and Horford also need to go. It was fun (for them) while it lasted, but now it's time to move on and rebuild around Brown and Tatum.

The Tatum injury is absolutely brutal for them, it shatters the entire timeline for all the players involved. As you rightly noted, Harford is not resigned and they still have 225m on their payroll! KP and Jrue are almost certainly gone

Fitting ~$30M of KP/Jrue salary into another team’s cap without taking much back isn’t easy, but it’s something they’ll have to do. Expect them to get under the second apron, that’s likely a clear organizational goal, both to avoid frozen draft picks and to re enable basic roster building tools.

They’ll need to shed ~$20M just to get below the second apron, and another ~$20M to fully escape the repeater tax in a season where Brown and White are your best players.

Let’s be real: the Celtics might be a play-in team next year, with three of their top five guys (Tatum, KP, Jrue) out of the picture.

I also wouldn’t automatically assume they keep building with Tatum/Brown/White long term. If they were ever going to move Brown, this is about as good a time as you’ll get. It’s definitely not off the table. GMs don’t think like fans, they’ll deal with any team if the return fits their goals. Sure, trading with a conference rival isn’t ideal, but it’s not some major deterrent either.

Brown's contract isn't the most enticing. I could definitely see Boston trying to move off him

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Another playoffs in the books and still no signature Evan Mobley moments, you really hate to see it

Tear down with caution. Mobley is the current player most similar to Bam in the NBA.

Probably, just unable to get anything done when it matters most it seems but from what I’m told he’s already far superior to Bam.