Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1

[AirP.]

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He needs to take Dedmons mins period

Not really, he still makes mistakes by not knowing all the plays or how to handle certain situations. Like I've mentioned before, Yurtseven is skilled but he doesn't know how to handle situations at the NBA level. Yurtseven could be ready later in the season and I'd completely expect he's the backup center starting next year in Miami. I guess I don't get why so many people are fine with having better vets get moved out for young players when you're trying to win a championship where a couple of extra wins could give the team home court advantage for more rounds.

PER36, TS%, ORTG, DRTG

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Yurtseven 13.6 pts, 15.5 rebs, 2.4 asts, 2.2 TO,   1 BLK,  .497 TS%, 105 ORTG, 102 DRTG
Dedmon    13.5 pts, 12.7 reb, 1.8 asts,  2 TO,    1.2 BLK, .664 TS%, 123 ORTG, 105 DRTG

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Not really, he still makes mistakes by not knowing all the plays or how to handle certain situations. Like I've mentioned before, Yurtseven is skilled but he doesn't know how to handle situations at the NBA level. Yurtseven could be ready later in the season and I'd completely expect he's the backup center starting next year in Miami. I guess I don't get why so many people are fine with having better vets get moved out for young players when you're trying to win a championship where a couple of extra wins could give the team home court advantage for more rounds.

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Yurtseven 13.6 pts, 15.5 rebs, 2.4 asts, 2.2 TO,   1 BLK,  .497 TS%, 105 ORTG, 102 DRTG
Dedmon    13.5 pts, 12.7 reb, 1.8 asts,  2 TO,    1.2 BLK, .664 TS%, 123 ORTG, 105 DRTG

Per possession, Yurt averages more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks, with less personal fouls committed. Yurt also has a higher on/off at +6.56 to Dedmon's +5.72 (per 200 possessions). Yurt's individual DRTG is 105.9 to Dedmon's 109.0

[AirP.]

Not really, he still makes mistakes by not knowing all the plays or how to handle certain situations. Like I've mentioned before, Yurtseven is skilled but he doesn't know how to handle situations at the NBA level. Yurtseven could be ready later in the season and I'd completely expect he's the backup center starting next year in Miami. I guess I don't get why so many people are fine with having better vets get moved out for young players when you're trying to win a championship where a couple of extra wins could give the team home court advantage for more rounds.

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Yurtseven 13.6 pts, 15.5 rebs, 2.4 asts, 2.2 TO,   1 BLK,  .497 TS%, 105 ORTG, 102 DRTG
Dedmon    13.5 pts, 12.7 reb, 1.8 asts,  2 TO,    1.2 BLK, .664 TS%, 123 ORTG, 105 DRTG

Per possession, Yurt averages more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks, with less personal fouls committed. Yurt also has a higher on/off at +6.56 to Dedmon's +5.72 (per 200 possessions). Yurt's individual DRTG is 105.9 to Dedmon's 109.0

Sure and just barely Yurtseven edges Dedmon out but is FAR behind in efficiency which leads to the huge difference in their ORTG, I thought this was pretty apparent. I've not seen anyone use per200 possessions before, not sure why you'd go past 100.

To me, those stats don't lead me to think he should just leapfrog Dedmon when you're trying to win games for a better seating in the playoffs. We'll see what happens when teams get enough video on him to know what he can and can't do to know what to take away from him which they don't know right now.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2022.html

[DayofMourning]

All for Yurt starting with Ded backing him up. Feel like that's the best spot for them both. Young producer getting quality minutes while the old head plays hard in limited minutes.

[goodboys lats]

Crazy to think this team is on pace for 52 wins. With all these home games coming up, you gotta hope they keep this up. Is winning 55 games unrealistic at this point? Bulls gotta slide at some point right?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We’re 2 games back from the 1st seed with 2 games left against the bulls and I believe 3 against the Nets

[twix2500]

Crazy to think this team is on pace for 52 wins. With all these home games coming up, you gotta hope they keep this up. Is winning 55 games unrealistic at this point? Bulls gotta slide at some point right?

Its difficult to predict with injuries and COVID. We basically played 3 difficult rosters this season.

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[AirP.]

Up to date season ORTG-DRTG from BBRef. A lot of bench guys playing above expectations.

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Player            ORtg DRtg ORtg-DRtg
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Haywood Highsmith 153  113         40
Chris Silva       135  109         26
Dewayne Dedmon    124  104         20
Jimmy Butler      126  106         20
Kyle Guy          127  109         18
P.J. Tucker       125  108         17
Nik Stauskas      128  114         14
Max Strus         122  111         11
Udonis Haslem     114  105          9
Caleb Martin      116  107          9
Bam Adebayo       111  105          6
Omer Yurtseven    106  101          5
KZ Okpala         113  109          4
Kyle Lowry        113  109          4
Gabe Vincent      110  109          1
Duncan Robinson   111  110          1
Markieff Morris   105  112         -7
Tyler Herro       103  110         -7
Marcus Garrett    89   107        -18

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Up to date season ORTG-DRTG from BBRef. A lot of bench guys playing above expectations.

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Player            ORtg DRtg ORtg-DRtg
------            ---- ---- ---------
Haywood Highsmith 153  113         40
Chris Silva       135  109         26
Dewayne Dedmon    124  104         20
Jimmy Butler      126  106         20
Kyle Guy          127  109         18
P.J. Tucker       125  108         17
Nik Stauskas      128  114         14
Max Strus         122  111         11
Udonis Haslem     114  105          9
Caleb Martin      116  107          9
Bam Adebayo       111  105          6
Omer Yurtseven    106  101          5
KZ Okpala         113  109          4
Kyle Lowry        113  109          4
Gabe Vincent      110  109          1
Duncan Robinson   111  110          1
Markieff Morris   105  112         -7
Tyler Herro       103  110         -7
Marcus Garrett    89   107        -18

NBA.com has individual ORTG/DRTG, which isn't influenced by box score metrics.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612748

[AirP.]

Up to date season ORTG-DRTG from BBRef. A lot of bench guys playing above expectations.

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Player            ORtg DRtg ORtg-DRtg
------            ---- ---- ---------
Haywood Highsmith 153  113         40
Chris Silva       135  109         26
Dewayne Dedmon    124  104         20
Jimmy Butler      126  106         20
Kyle Guy          127  109         18
P.J. Tucker       125  108         17
Nik Stauskas      128  114         14
Max Strus         122  111         11
Udonis Haslem     114  105          9
Caleb Martin      116  107          9
Bam Adebayo       111  105          6
Omer Yurtseven    106  101          5
KZ Okpala         113  109          4
Kyle Lowry        113  109          4
Gabe Vincent      110  109          1
Duncan Robinson   111  110          1
Markieff Morris   105  112         -7
Tyler Herro       103  110         -7
Marcus Garrett    89   107        -18

NBA.com has individual ORTG/DRTG, which isn't influenced by box score metrics.

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https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612748

BBRefs actually takes what an individual does plus what the team does on the floor to try to figure out/calculate out their impact on either side of the court, it's not perfect but year after year it seems to be pretty accurate. You do have to keep in mind the player's roles because some roleplayers can have very good numbers but are limited how they're used.

So with NBA.com, if a player who is bad ends up playing the same exact time when LeBron plays both will have the exact same ORTG and DRTG and with that, you don't really learn anything from those players on who is contributing and who isn't. Here's an example from this year to really show the numbers...

NBA.COM
L. James 112.8 ORTG, 112.2 DRTG (+.6 overall)
R.Westbrook 106.2 ORTG, 108.1 DRTG (-1.9 overall)
or
BBREF
L.James 119 ORTG, 108 DRTG (+9 overall)
R.Westbrook 100 ORTG, 110 DRTG (-10 overall)

I think the BBRef ORTG an DRTG numbers offer a much better representation of what a player is doing/contributing vs NBA.COMs this is what the team does with this person on the floor and you have no idea of that player's impact.

This is also why I've been a Butler fan for basically his whole career who crossed over from a good roleplayer to good top option to a team.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Up to date season ORTG-DRTG from BBRef. A lot of bench guys playing above expectations.

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Player            ORtg DRtg ORtg-DRtg
------            ---- ---- ---------
Haywood Highsmith 153  113         40
Chris Silva       135  109         26
Dewayne Dedmon    124  104         20
Jimmy Butler      126  106         20
Kyle Guy          127  109         18
P.J. Tucker       125  108         17
Nik Stauskas      128  114         14
Max Strus         122  111         11
Udonis Haslem     114  105          9
Caleb Martin      116  107          9
Bam Adebayo       111  105          6
Omer Yurtseven    106  101          5
KZ Okpala         113  109          4
Kyle Lowry        113  109          4
Gabe Vincent      110  109          1
Duncan Robinson   111  110          1
Markieff Morris   105  112         -7
Tyler Herro       103  110         -7
Marcus Garrett    89   107        -18

NBA.com has individual ORTG/DRTG, which isn't influenced by box score metrics.

Spoiler:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612748

BBRefs actually takes what an individual does plus what the team does on the floor to try to figure out/calculate out their impact on either side of the court, it's not perfect but year after year it seems to be pretty accurate. You do have to keep in mind the player's roles because some roleplayers can have very good numbers but are limited how they're used.

So with NBA.com, if a player who is bad ends up playing the same exact time when LeBron plays both will have the exact same ORTG and DRTG and with that, you don't really learn anything from those players on who is contributing and who isn't. Here's an example from this year to really show the numbers...

NBA.COM
L. James 112.8 ORTG, 112.2 DRTG (+.6 overall)
R.Westbrook 106.2 ORTG, 108.1 DRTG (-1.9 overall)
or
BBREF
L.James 119 ORTG, 108 DRTG (+9 overall)
R.Westbrook 100 ORTG, 110 DRTG (-10 overall)

I think the BBRef ORTG an DRTG numbers offer a much better representation of what a player is doing/contributing vs NBA.COMs this is what the team does with this person on the floor and you have no idea of that player's impact.

100% agreed

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Reddish went cheaper than expected. I wish we had bought it.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Reddish went cheaper than expected. I wish we had bought it.

Yea man that’s an absolute steal, he’s going to be really good and his potential is super high. Idk why all 29 other teams weren’t trying to get in on that

[insfo]

Dang, I guess we really like KZ! Knox is gonna be out if this league soon, so has to be the pick then.

In more positive news, ex-Heat Bol Bol seems to be available again. Let’s do this Riles!!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

PJ Washington may be available they’re saying

[AirP.]

Reddish went cheaper than expected. I wish we had bought it.

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[DayofMourning]

PJ Washington may be available they’re saying

Link? This will get MWP excited.

[greg4012]

PJ Washington may be available they’re saying

That's a nice longterm fit next to Bam that allows us to play switch-heavy small ball without being too small. He seems to have stagnated in Charlotte--but it's Charlotte. Some nice upside there.

According to basketball reference, PJ has played 86% of his minutes this season at center. That's not setting him up to succeed or play to his strengths.

I can get with a future frontcourt rotation of Bam, PJ, Yurt.

[al bondiga]

redish is a good player but I think he would clash

When is bam supposed to be back ? could he make it before all star game?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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PJ Washington may be available they’re saying

Link? This will get MWP excited.

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