Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK

[Heat3]

My opinion is that OKC continues to miscalculate CP3’s “star” value to Miami. They said earlier this summer they would keep and play CP3 this year hoping Miami would accept their bs proposal. Now its almost preseason and Miami hasn't come calling. So they probably restarted the talks and as usual Riley will say he is interested for the right deal. OKC then leaks to Shams to try to entice other teams for a bidding war. Except no one wants CP3 including the Heat. Riley is only interested to get our picks back.

[Beenie]

If OKC would accept JJ, Waiters and Leonard for CP3 that deal would already be done. Pat isn't holding out on that trade for a first round pick. Guarantee the problem is OKC was asking for multiple young players in return.

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Although the pieces aren't confirmed, this reinforces that idea that Riley is holding out for additional assets which would undoubtedly complicate a potential deal.

Twitter heresy, for some time now, has suggested that in order for Mia to receive a FRP(s) with CP3 they would have to potentially surrender Winslow and or DJJ in a package deal.

[twix2500]

I do not care what Cavs do with Dragic and Olynyk before anyone says it. They can flip them somewhere else that is not my concern.



PG: Chris Paul - Kendrick Nunn
SG: Jimmy Butler - Tyler Herro - Jr Smith ~ Free Agency
SF: Justise Winslow - Derrick Jones Jr - Duncan Robinson
PF: Kevin Love - KZ Okpala - Udonis Haslem
Ce: Bam Adebayo - A. Zizic - Marc Gasol or Ibaka ~ Buyout Free Agents


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[MadD23]

If OKC would accept JJ, Waiters and Leonard for CP3 that deal would already be done. Pat isn't holding out on that trade for a first round pick. Guarantee the problem is OKC was asking for multiple young players in return.

Hope Riley is not that dumb. OKC is not on the driver seat with Paul. No team is pursuing a deal for Paul. We could benefit with a first round pick, but the Heat are in no need at the moment to add a player like Paul under the reality of his circumstances (older, massive salary and declining) unless it brings a substantial benefit aside from just getting the player itself.

I think CP3s game will age well and it has so far, especially if he's expected to run the offense and not to be the top option. I'm feel that for the next 2 years if CP3 is healthy a trade to Miami helps the Heat, it's that 3rd year player's option which is a big problem. If CP3 only wants to play 3 more years then you probably pass on a trade, but if he's willing to opt out to extend with the Heat 1 or 2 more years(past that player option year) and spread out the money, maybe it makes sense. For instance, if CP3 opted out and agreed to a 2 year extension for 60-65 million, his contract is lined up timewise with Butler's and Miami may be able to shave off say 9 million of his 44 million for the summer of 2021(yes still overpaid but more manageable).

Agreed. Regarding the extension replacing that 3rd year, I would offer no more than 50mil for those 2 years. I am sure Riley can convince him to go for it.

[MadD23]

I do not care what Cavs do with Dragic and Olynyk before anyone says it. They can flip them somewhere else that is not my concern.



PG: Chris Paul - Kendrick Nunn
SG: Jimmy Butler - Tyler Herro - Jr Smith ~ Free Agency
SF: Justise Winslow - Derrick Jones Jr - Duncan Robinson
PF: Kevin Love - KZ Okpala - Udonis Haslem
Ce: Bam Adebayo - A. Zizic - Marc Gasol or Ibaka ~ Buyout Free Agents


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This is a deal I would do in heart beat if I was Riley

[SoFlaKingReal]

We don't want the Heat to be anchored to those massive Paul and Love contracts. Older, injury-prone players as well.

[AirP.]

Hope Riley is not that dumb. OKC is not on the driver seat with Paul. No team is pursuing a deal for Paul. We could benefit with a first round pick, but the Heat are in no need at the moment to add a player like Paul under the reality of his circumstances (older, massive salary and declining) unless it brings a substantial benefit aside from just getting the player itself.

I think CP3s game will age well and it has so far, especially if he's expected to run the offense and not to be the top option. I'm feel that for the next 2 years if CP3 is healthy a trade to Miami helps the Heat, it's that 3rd year player's option which is a big problem. If CP3 only wants to play 3 more years then you probably pass on a trade, but if he's willing to opt out to extend with the Heat 1 or 2 more years(past that player option year) and spread out the money, maybe it makes sense. For instance, if CP3 opted out and agreed to a 2 year extension for 60-65 million, his contract is lined up timewise with Butler's and Miami may be able to shave off say 9 million of his 44 million for the summer of 2021(yes still overpaid but more manageable).

Agreed. Regarding the extension replacing that 3rd year, I would offer no more than 50mil for those 2 years. I am sure Riley can convince him to go for it.

50 million over 2 years is saying do Miami a solid and basically play for us that 4th year for 6 million, there's no way he's doing that after he negotiated a rule to help him get paid.

You may remember that one of the few NBA salary rules changed in the 2016 collective bargaining agreement centered on the earning power of stars in their mid-30s. We dubbed this the Chris Paul Rule, because CP3 stood to benefit most immediately and he was the players’ union president when it was negotiated and adopted.

After a rousing 2018 playoff run that ended a CP3 hamstring injury away from a championship, the Rockets signed Paul to a four-year, $160 million deal. That deal was once again possible because of CP3’s Over-38 Rule. Without it, Paul would likely have signed a three-year, $115 million deal to get the max. The Over-38 Rule made Chris Paul an extra $45 million, equivalent to the salary he’ll earn as a 37-year-old in 2021-22.

https://www.sbnation.com/2019/7/18/20697563/chris-paul-trade-players-union-president-rule-over-38

[MadD23]

50 million over 2 years is saying do Miami a solid and basically play for us that 4th year for 6 million, there's no way he's doing that after he negotiated a rule to help him get paid.

So him playing at the age of 37 for a team he wants play for and getting 6 million for it is not an option for him? He should then stay with OKC and see who is going to sign him after that big contract at that age for anything more than the minimum. He might (BIG IF) get the mid level exception.

[MadD23]

We don't want the Heat to be anchored to those massive Paul and Love contracts. Older, injury-prone players as well.

At least we'll be competitive for the next 4 years. And if Bam, Herro, Okpala, Winslow and DJJ develop to be above average players, we might be looking at a serious contender instead of waiting and wishing for a Giannis to come play for us.

[DayofMourning]

Would be pretty impressive injection of talent to add Herro, Butler, and CP3 to the team in just a few months time.

[AirP.]

50 million over 2 years is saying do Miami a solid and basically play for us that 4th year for 6 million, there's no way he's doing that after he negotiated a rule to help him get paid.

So him playing at the age of 37 for a team he wants play for and getting 6 million for it is not an option for him? He should then stay with OKC and see who is going to sign him after that big contract at that age for anything more than the minimum. He might (BIG IF) get the mid level exception.

Maybe he will stay in OKC and be fine with it, it had to be a possible outcome for taking that much money.

If he's basically going to take 6 million dollars for that 4th year with an extension, why not just hold steady and not opt out and then at age 37 go play for one of the true contenders for minimum.

The simple fact is that he's never going to make this type of money outside of the NBA so he needs to get whatever he can unless he's comfortable where he is and that rule he helped push though says he wants as much money as possible before he retires from the NBA. Miami went through something like this a few years ago which led Wade to sign in Chicago, he definitely didn't sign in Chicago to win, he signed to make 40-50 million in 2 years... and of course Chicago signed him to meet the minimum cap space and have a new "Chicago's own" player to market since Rose was traded.

[AirP.]

Yes, one of Zach's five most confusing teams is Miami. Zach mentions he'd be surprised if Miami didn't make a substantial trade this season(doesn't necessary mean CP3). Zach also talks about trading for K.Lowry would be an interesting acquisition. Oh, Zach loves Bam. In his words, I want to see Bam do stuff, lots of stuff.

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Lowry is good friends with Butler and would be much cheaper/better value option long term than CP3 although not as good as CP3.

[County of Wade]

Finally, months after the trade, Jimmy has his introductory press conference Friday at 1pm.

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[Kobewade11]

How nice of them..

[AirP.]

Finally, months after the trade, Jimmy has his introductory press conference Friday at 1pm.

I do wonder if Miami were waiting in hopes of announcing multiple new players.

[Beenie]

Finally, months after the trade, Jimmy has his introductory press conference Friday at 1pm.

I do wonder if Miami were waiting in hopes of announcing multiple new players.

That’s been widely speculated and I tend to suspect that it’s true.

[AirP.]

Kevin O'Connor mentions Miami as a possible conference finals team and possibly 3rd seed team in the East.

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[twix2500]

Very curious what the Heat are seeing in practice.

Is Jimmy establishing himself as the leader?
Is Dion playing to his potential?
Has Bam added to his game?
How is Justise fitting in?
Is Dragic back to All-star form?
What color is JJ hair?
Is Herro gonna be the next great Kapono?
Who is Okpala?

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[MadD23]

Very curious what the Heat are seeing in practice.

Is Jimmy establishing himself as the leader?
Is Dion playing to his potential?
Has Bam added to his game?
How is Justise fitting in?
Is Dragic back to All-star form?
What color is JJ hair?
Is Herro gonna be the next great Kapono?
Who is Okpala?

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Based on your post, I'll make 2 predictions:

1. A healthy Waiters will be the second best player on this team (if no other star player is added)
2. Herro will be much more than the next great Kapono and will be an Allstar type player by year 3 of his career or before.

[gom]

I do not care what Cavs do with Dragic and Olynyk before anyone says it. They can flip them somewhere else that is not my concern.



PG: Chris Paul - Kendrick Nunn
SG: Jimmy Butler - Tyler Herro - Jr Smith ~ Free Agency
SF: Justise Winslow - Derrick Jones Jr - Duncan Robinson
PF: Kevin Love - KZ Okpala - Udonis Haslem
Ce: Bam Adebayo - A. Zizic - Marc Gasol or Ibaka ~ Buyout Free Agents

I like this but do you think there might be Pistons-Thunder-Heat trade where the picks go to the Pistons and we get Blake Griffin to put together with Chris Paul? Is that not a good idea?