MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.4 - Beasley Time

[Hallstar]

In non KZ Bustpala news

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That is such a refreshing change from the usual post surgery spiel from surgeons.

"I really wish Victor the best in the future but I've got to be honest, I don't feel that was my best work. I'd been out drinking and whore chasing the night before and just felt off my game. I probably should have postponed the surgery, but the bills need to get paid. I think I put everything together more or less correctly but I guess we'll have to wait and see. If not ... hey, more money for the next surgeon, right?"

Lmao, I gotta setup something to give you the automatic +1

[wadenation305]

Is Kz the new Bustice Winslow of the forums?

Bustice was better

Sad but true

[eddieheatfan]

word has it that this upcoming season schedule is going to be really tough with more games on the road at the start of the season than any previous seasons. i cant hardly wait to see this team playing together

[RexBoyWonder]

Still can't believe we're entering the season when our PF rotation is 36YO PJ Tucker, the lesser Morris brother and KZ.

If there's a hole that's going to kill us - it's this one.

Lauri Markkanen still unsigned right?

[eddieheatfan]

Still can't believe we're entering the season when our PF rotation is 36YO PJ Tucker, the lesser Morris brother and KZ.

If there's a hole that's going to kill us - it's this one.

Lauri Markkanen still unsigned right?

you forgot lowry and jimmy who are in the mid 30's as well. its an old frontcourt. i highly doubt that they will do anything meaningful because of injures and aging. lets see what happens, i'm eagerly to find out,2 months to go for the first pre season games

[Rastas]

Can't wait for the Miami Retirement Condos Vs the LA Old Peoples Village game.
Wake me up for it when it starts please.

[Bishop45]

Still can't believe we're entering the season when our PF rotation is 36YO PJ Tucker, the lesser Morris brother and KZ.

If there's a hole that's going to kill us - it's this one.

Lauri Markkanen still unsigned right?

Marky and Milsapp, but I wouldn't get your hopes up..


Think they're going to try to make Bam the 4 in some spots too, and play him with Omer (for whatever that's worth

[BBallFreak]

Still can't believe we're entering the season when our PF rotation is 36YO PJ Tucker, the lesser Morris brother and KZ.

If there's a hole that's going to kill us - it's this one.

Lauri Markkanen still unsigned right?

Marky and Milsapp, but I wouldn't get your hopes up..


Think they're going to try to make Bam the 4 in some spots too, and play him with Omer (for whatever that's worth

I would expect him to play next to Dedmon before Omer.

[Bishop45]

Still can't believe we're entering the season when our PF rotation is 36YO PJ Tucker, the lesser Morris brother and KZ.

If there's a hole that's going to kill us - it's this one.

Lauri Markkanen still unsigned right?

Marky and Milsapp, but I wouldn't get your hopes up..


Think they're going to try to make Bam the 4 in some spots too, and play him with Omer (for whatever that's worth

I would expect him to play next to Dedmon before Omer.

I feel like Spo might favor the more capable shooter, but Spo loves vets too, so idk

[AirP.]

Still can't believe we're entering the season when our PF rotation is 36YO PJ Tucker, the lesser Morris brother and KZ.

If there's a hole that's going to kill us - it's this one.

Lauri Markkanen still unsigned right?

you forgot lowry and jimmy who are in the mid 30's as well. its an old frontcourt. i highly doubt that they will do anything meaningful because of injures and aging. lets see what happens, i'm eagerly to find out,2 months to go for the first pre season games

You have a weird definition for mid 30s, Butler is 31 and probably in the best shape of his life. I'll give you that most players drop off in their early to mid 30s but most of those players aren't putting in as much work and dedication into their bodies as Butler is to stay at the top of his game. If you want to be angry about Butler's age be mad at the Miami FO who acquired Butler 2 years ago and waited till this summer to really acquire talent(the 2021 plan).

On the PF situation, since Butler has been in Miami, this is probably the best group of PFs Miami has went into a season with which is still not good, they both at least bring toughness to a roster that was pretty soft on the court last year.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Still can't believe we're entering the season when our PF rotation is 36YO PJ Tucker, the lesser Morris brother and KZ.

If there's a hole that's going to kill us - it's this one.

Lauri Markkanen still unsigned right?

Tucker and Markieff aren't holes. Tucker gives you defense and Markieff gives you offense for your bench unit.

[RexBoyWonder]

Still can't believe we're entering the season when our PF rotation is 36YO PJ Tucker, the lesser Morris brother and KZ.

If there's a hole that's going to kill us - it's this one.

Lauri Markkanen still unsigned right?

Tucker and Markieff aren't holes. Tucker gives you defense and Markieff gives you offense for your bench unit.

Tucker is a good defender but let's not act like he's Gobert.

On offense he might be the worst/most limited player that is expected to play big minutes for a contender in the entire NBA.

Markieff averaged 5 point in 2020 and 6 points in 2021. If that's our "offensive" option our offense is going to struggle.

Both of them should be in the limited minutes backup role on a good team. Sadly we have no real starter to play ahead of them.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Still can't believe we're entering the season when our PF rotation is 36YO PJ Tucker, the lesser Morris brother and KZ.

If there's a hole that's going to kill us - it's this one.

Lauri Markkanen still unsigned right?

Yurtseven is the X Factor this year allowing Bam to play more PF. 0% chance at getting Lauri. Last reports about him are either he takes the qualifying 9 mil dollar offer with the Bulls or the Bulls work out a trade with the Mavs or OKC. Bam had plenty of success playing next to KO, Leonard, and undersized but burly PF Crowder. Tucker at 245 outweighs Crowder by like 11 pounds. Tucker also has a wingspan close to 7 feet while Crowder was at 6'9. Markieff is 6'9 245 6'10 wingspan and probably gives you something better at least defensively and rebounding over KO and Leonard but still very capable of hitting an open 3. We are not as bad off as it may seem to you. Last year we started 6'8 200 Ariza and 6'6 220 Iguodala at PF. It was way too much of a burden for Bam to overcome against bigger teams.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Still can't believe we're entering the season when our PF rotation is 36YO PJ Tucker, the lesser Morris brother and KZ.

If there's a hole that's going to kill us - it's this one.

Lauri Markkanen still unsigned right?

Tucker and Markieff aren't holes. Tucker gives you defense and Markieff gives you offense for your bench unit.

Tucker is a good defender but let's not act like he's Gobert.

On offense he might be the worst/most limited player that is expected to play big minutes for a contender in the entire NBA.

Markieff averaged 5 point in 2020 and 6 points in 2021. If that's our "offensive" option our offense is going to struggle.

Both of them should be in the limited minutes backup role on a good team. Sadly we have no real starter to play ahead of them.

Markieff just two years ago averaged 11 points with Detroit in 22 min shooting close to 40% from 3 on 4.3 attempts. He ended up going to the Lakers to ring chase and got stuck behind a very deep front court suppressing his numbers. If he can get back to 2019-20 levels then that's exactly what we need along side Bam to take pressure off especially in the defense and rebounding department. Kieff is the same age as Butler. I think he has a renaissance culture comeback year with us. I honestly hope he starts for us. I prefer Tucker coming off the bench when Butler has to sit. Spo most likely goes with Tucker though.

My preferred depth chart

C Bam Adebayo 6'9 255 C Dewayne Dedmon 7'0 245 C Omer Yurtseven 7'0 264
PF Markieff Morris 6'9 245 PF PJ Tucker 6'5 245 PF Udonis Haslem 6'8 235
SF Jimmy Butler 6'7 230 SF Max Strus 6'5 225 SF/PF KZ Okpala 6'9 215
SG Duncan Robinson 6'7 215 SG Tyler Herro 6'5 200
PG Kyle Lowry 6'0 200 PG Gabe Vincent 6'3 200 (PG/SG Victor Oladipo 6'4 210)

(2 way PG/SG/SF Marcus Garrett 6'5 205)
(2 way PG Dejon Jerreau 6'5 185)


(PG/SG Victor Oladipo 6'4 210)

[Bishop45]

Andre Roberson, Joe Harris, Draymond, etc. Might be worse offensively

Tucker might be too

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Tucker and Markieff aren't holes. Tucker gives you defense and Markieff gives you offense for your bench unit.

Tucker is a good defender but let's not act like he's Gobert.

On offense he might be the worst/most limited player that is expected to play big minutes for a contender in the entire NBA.

Markieff averaged 5 point in 2020 and 6 points in 2021. If that's our "offensive" option our offense is going to struggle.

Both of them should be in the limited minutes backup role on a good team. Sadly we have no real starter to play ahead of them.

Markieff just two years ago averaged 11 points with Detroit in 22 min shooting close to 40% from 3 on 4.3 attempts. He ended up going to the Lakers to ring chase and got stuck behind a very deep front court suppressing his numbers. If he can get back to 2019-20 levels then that's exactly what we need along side Bam to take pressure off especially in the defense and rebounding department. Kieff is the same age as Butler. I think he has a renaissance culture comeback year with us. I honestly hope he starts for us. I prefer Tucker coming off the bench when Butler has to sit.

My preferred depth chart

C Bam Adebayo 6'9 255 C Dewayne Dedmon 7'0 245 C Omer Yurtseven 7'0 264
PF Markieff Morris 6'9 245 PF PJ Tucker 6'5 245 PF Udonis Haslem 6'8 235
SF Jimmy Butler 6'7 230 SF Max Strus 6'5 225 SF/PF KZ Okpala 6'9 215
SG Duncan Robinson 6'7 215 SG Tyler Herro 6'5 200
PG Kyle Lowry 6'0 200 PG Gabe Vincent 6'3 200

(2 way PG/SG/SF Marcus Garrett 6'5 205)
(2 way PG Dejon Jerreau 6'5 185) *Not completely sold he's given one of the two ways. Exhibit 10 is a lock.


(PG/SG Victor Oladipo 6'4 210)

How many teams have a "real starter" for every position?

Markieff shouldn't be starting over PJ. There's only 1 basketball.

[eddieheatfan]

Still can't believe we're entering the season when our PF rotation is 36YO PJ Tucker, the lesser Morris brother and KZ.

If there's a hole that's going to kill us - it's this one.

Lauri Markkanen still unsigned right?

you forgot lowry and jimmy who are in the mid 30's as well. its an old frontcourt. i highly doubt that they will do anything meaningful because of injures and aging. lets see what happens, i'm eagerly to find out,2 months to go for the first pre season games

You have a weird definition for mid 30s, Butler is 31 and probably in the best shape of his life. I'll give you that most players drop off in their early to mid 30s but most of those players aren't putting in as much work and dedication into their bodies as Butler is to stay at the top of his game. If you want to be angry about Butler's age be mad at the Miami FO who acquired Butler 2 years ago and waited till this summer to really acquire talent(the 2021 plan).

On the PF situation, since Butler has been in Miami, this is probably the best group of PFs Miami has went into a season with which is still not good, they both at least bring toughness to a roster that was pretty soft on the court last year.

my mistake about butler but lowry is indeed old, the problem with jimmy is that he cant always carry a team and have difficulty scoring so age doesnt really matter even if he is at his prime. though i must say that the heat system does him justice unlike the other teams in which he was a go to scorer

[MettaWorldPanda]

Tucker is a good defender but let's not act like he's Gobert.

On offense he might be the worst/most limited player that is expected to play big minutes for a contender in the entire NBA.

Markieff averaged 5 point in 2020 and 6 points in 2021. If that's our "offensive" option our offense is going to struggle.

Both of them should be in the limited minutes backup role on a good team. Sadly we have no real starter to play ahead of them.

Markieff just two years ago averaged 11 points with Detroit in 22 min shooting close to 40% from 3 on 4.3 attempts. He ended up going to the Lakers to ring chase and got stuck behind a very deep front court suppressing his numbers. If he can get back to 2019-20 levels then that's exactly what we need along side Bam to take pressure off especially in the defense and rebounding department. Kieff is the same age as Butler. I think he has a renaissance culture comeback year with us. I honestly hope he starts for us. I prefer Tucker coming off the bench when Butler has to sit.

My preferred depth chart

C Bam Adebayo 6'9 255 C Dewayne Dedmon 7'0 245 C Omer Yurtseven 7'0 264
PF Markieff Morris 6'9 245 PF PJ Tucker 6'5 245 PF Udonis Haslem 6'8 235
SF Jimmy Butler 6'7 230 SF Max Strus 6'5 225 SF/PF KZ Okpala 6'9 215
SG Duncan Robinson 6'7 215 SG Tyler Herro 6'5 200
PG Kyle Lowry 6'0 200 PG Gabe Vincent 6'3 200

(2 way PG/SG/SF Marcus Garrett 6'5 205)
(2 way PG Dejon Jerreau 6'5 185) *Not completely sold he's given one of the two ways. Exhibit 10 is a lock.


(PG/SG Victor Oladipo 6'4 210)

How many teams have a "real starter" for every position?

Markieff shouldn't be starting over PJ. There's only 1 basketball.

PJ will start. I just wanted Bam to have the extra size next to him with Morris and the 7 foot Dedmon or Yurtseven shadowing the shorter Tucker. I’m sure things will interchange throughout the games and season.

[MettaWorldPanda]

This team is just really missing another veteran creator that can get our guys easy shots and set up the bigs off the bench. Lowry and Butler will be doing the heavy lifting but he need one more true creator. Rajon Rondo if he gets bought out would be perfect to hold the fort down until Dipo gets back. Put the feelings aside. He can still command an offense and get that second unit in good spots. Gabe Vincent is a small two guard. He’s not going to be able to get the best out of our second unit when he needs somebody to create for him.

[twix2500]

Still can't believe we're entering the season when our PF rotation is 36YO PJ Tucker, the lesser Morris brother and KZ.

If there's a hole that's going to kill us - it's this one.

Lauri Markkanen still unsigned right?

you forgot lowry and jimmy who are in the mid 30's as well. its an old frontcourt. i highly doubt that they will do anything meaningful because of injures and aging. lets see what happens, i'm eagerly to find out,2 months to go for the first pre season games

You have a weird definition for mid 30s, Butler is 31 and probably in the best shape of his life. I'll give you that most players drop off in their early to mid 30s but most of those players aren't putting in as much work and dedication into their bodies as Butler is to stay at the top of his game. If you want to be angry about Butler's age be mad at the Miami FO who acquired Butler 2 years ago and waited till this summer to really acquire talent(the 2021 plan).

On the PF situation, since Butler has been in Miami, this is probably the best group of PFs Miami has went into a season with which is still not good, they both at least bring toughness to a roster that was pretty soft on the court last year.

They were calling Butler 32 when he was 28.

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