Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 3: Fraudfather Snoozin

carnageta · Post #1841 » by **carnageta** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:00 pm

greg4012 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Definitely shows flashes of being a unicorn in this league.

NightWatch · Post #1842 » by **NightWatch** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:01 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Rapaz wrote:

Read on Twitter

Uh oh

He almost signed with LAL before he decided to take Chicago's money.

Yeah makes sense, he is an LA guy. Now if we offer him more years maybe he considers us? Money is a huge motivator.

So assuming the interest in Derozan is mutual it basically comes down to

A) What will it cost to trade for him, (Draft compensation to the Bulls)

B) What will it take for him to pick us over other teams after him, (Salary and Years)

Forget about derozan. Do not want

Prefer use JJJ on all the available minutes

Daffy · Post #1843 » by **Daffy** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:02 pm

Rapaz wrote:

Read on Twitter

Uh oh

Yeah screw this. I'm not getting my hopes up to watch us strike out again.

AirP. · Post #1844 » by **AirP.** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:04 pm

greg4012 wrote:
AirP. wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Orlando has cap space and needs shooting

They signed KCP.

Read on Twitter

I believe they still have cap space remaining. I don't think adding 31-year old KCP whom averages 4 3PA per game sufficiently bolsters their shooting woes for their young core. Who knows if they got another move in mind

Read on Twitter

greg4012 · Post #1845 » by **greg4012** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:06 pm

AirP. wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
AirP. wrote:They signed KCP.

Read on Twitter

I believe they still have cap space remaining. I don't think adding 31-year old KCP whom averages 4 3PA per game sufficiently bolsters their shooting woes for their young core. Who knows if they got another move in mind

Read on Twitter

Are you saying they don't have cap space? Can't say I'm plugged in on the details of the Magic offseason, just going off tweets I see. Seeking clarity. Seems they have some space remaining unless I'm missing something

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VaDe255 · Post #1846 » by **VaDe255** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:07 pm

AirP. wrote:
VaDe255 wrote:DeRozan is gonna be 35y, seriously this is not a move that does anything, they'll still be a fringe playoff team after that.

Also you can't really S&T, because then you are commiting 3 full year to DeRozan (S&T must be at least 3 years, not including an option), after Lowry I doubt they are doing that again to have a 38y old DeRozan in his last year.

He's the vet scorer they've needed since Dragic was done with that injury in the bubble. It does more than you think but I wouldn't expect him to score as much as he did last year.

He's not, just check his playoff stats, absolutely awful and he is 35y now, no thank you.

Post #1847 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:08 pm

So DeRozan S&T comes with a minimum 3 year deal like the Lowry S&T. That means the only way it becomes worth it is getting off both Herro and Duncan while saving money off the cap and getting an asset or cheap players coming back.

NightWatch · Post #1848 » by **NightWatch** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:08 pm

carnageta wrote:
greg4012 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Definitely shows flashes of being a unicorn in this league.

Who’s jovic favorite player? He doesn’t seem to have any signature moves. Most of his moves are very minimal if that makes sense?

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1849 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:17 pm

Derozan not happening, would require too much thinking out of Pat to navigate this

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1850 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:17 pm

Interesting part from Barry’s article is apparently Caleb and Highsmith are just waiting it out right now to see what we do?

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1851 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:20 pm

Read on Twitter

Not happening Barry quit hope trafficking to Heat Twitter

Post #1852 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:21 pm

Just coming off with certain scenarios off the top.

S&T DeRozan for something similar I'm guessing is close to what he is already making like 28.5 million or essentially the Lowry deal.

Get off of Herro's 30 and Duncan's 20 million that equal to about 50 million.

Open up opportunity to sign MLE player for 12 million or bring back a useful expiring player contracts.

Bulls can absorb Herro and Duncan if they are able to find a third team that wants LaVine and eats up some of the salary.

greg4012 · Post #1853 » by **greg4012** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:22 pm

carnageta wrote:
greg4012 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Definitely shows flashes of being a unicorn in this league.

Hoping Miami can make some sort of move to improve this season's roster. Regardless, I got my sights set on Miami developing one of the best frontcourt rotations in the NBA over the next few seasons.

AirP. · Post #1854 » by **AirP.** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:23 pm

VaDe255 wrote:
AirP. wrote:
VaDe255 wrote:DeRozan is gonna be 35y, seriously this is not a move that does anything, they'll still be a fringe playoff team after that.

Also you can't really S&T, because then you are commiting 3 full year to DeRozan (S&T must be at least 3 years, not including an option), after Lowry I doubt they are doing that again to have a 38y old DeRozan in his last year.

He's the vet scorer they've needed since Dragic was done with that injury in the bubble. It does more than you think but I wouldn't expect him to score as much as he did last year.

He's not, just check his playoff stats, absolutely awful and he is 35y now, no thank you.

He was horrible in the playoffs when he was in Toronto but he's gotten better while staying the #1 option, he's not going to be the #1 option in the playoffs for Miami, just the regular season. His career average in the playoffs is nearly 22 ppg but took nearly 19 shots.

Right now, at SG, Herro has a career playoffs average of 14.3 ppg on 12.7 shots.

DeRozan isn't a good defender, but he's better than Herro is and can play the 2-4, he played PF in San Antonio.

It's a short term move to get DeRozan for an upgrade on the roster, this isn't a long-term option, maybe Miami can time the older player's contracts to be expiring all at the same time to have a chance to make some big moves in free agency also S&Ts for a soft rebuild around Bam.

iamoti · Post #1855 » by **iamoti** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:24 pm

I dont see the fit with DeRozan. And i like him. He is not a 3pt threat and in todays NBA you cant have 3 starters being non shooters. Unless he goes for a 6th man role which i would definately support

If we lets say trade Herro in this DeRozan deal somehow. Maybe get a pick aswell.

We could have :

Rozier/Richardson
Duncan/DeRozan
Butler/JJJ
Jovic/Highsmith
Bam/Ware

I can ride with that

Enso · Post #1856 » by **Enso** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:26 pm

fk that let LA give him a 3 year contract not going down that road again with what happened with Lowry

Post #1857 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:26 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Derozan not happening, would require too much thinking out of Pat to navigate this

This is Elisburg's job. He made it happen with Dragic's expiring and Achiuwa last time out for Lowry

Post #1858 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:27 pm

Enso wrote:fk that let LA give him a 3 year contract not going down that road again with what happened with Lowry

We made it to the finals with Lowry. As a matter of fact I would say Lowry was a lot more important to our first seed and finals run then Herro was.

Post #1859 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:28 pm

Lowry brought us a real PG and made us super competitive. How quickly people forget what having a real PG did for this team

lastb1ckman · Post #1860 » by **lastb1ckman** » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:29 pm

Daffy wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:We can make DeRozan work i’m not concerned. Jovic is basically a big shooting wing in the lineup.

That's 3 non-shooters in our lineup though. Bam, Derozan, and Jimmy.

On the flip side. That's a lot of trips to the line especially if Rozier can regain his early form of getting to the line like he did with Charlotte.

Atleast Jimmy and Bam aren't quiet the non shooters they used to be. Jimmy shot 41% on 2.4 attempts per game lol