Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice

[Spacely]

We would also be facing the hard cap if acquiring Brunson.

Bro how if lowrys contract is bigger

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We would also be facing the hard cap if acquiring Brunson.

What are the implications of this?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We would also be facing the hard cap if acquiring Brunson.

Bro how if lowrys contract is bigger

Sign and trade rules when acquiring a player

[Variable-X]

Can we do multiple sign and trades?

As long as the Heat stay under the hard cap then I believe yes they would be able to. It does potentially create difficulties with retaining Dipo and Caleb. But a starting lineup of Brunson, Strus, Butler, Adebayo, Bamba looks like a decent upgrade. And the Heat are great at finding contributors on the cheap.

[Jfh20]

not sure i would have given 3 first rounders for murray tho... they overpaid... like crazy... hes got potential... but he aint on superstar status. i would of done herro + one 1st rounder.

[Spacely]

So s+t basically just automatically makes you pay the luxury tax no matter what?

[carnageta]

Idk, Bronson has less than 1 year of above average play, and it just so happened to be during a 'contract' year. I'd proceed with caution. We've got burnt countless times in the past by this - Dion Waiters, Duncan Robinson, James Johnson, Tyler Johnson, Hassan Whiteside (to an extent), etc. etc. I'm not sold.

I'll play the devils advocate. I'll be the 'bad' guy. I don't want him. Not for 25m/year. I honestly trust Lowry more at this point.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Can we do multiple sign and trades?

As long as the Heat stay under the hard cap then I believe yes they would be able to. It does potentially create difficulties with retaining Dipo and Caleb. But a starting lineup of Brunson, Strus, Butler, Adebayo, Bamba looks like a decent upgrade. And the Heat are great at finding contributors on the cheap.

If we get Brunson and 1 of Bamba/Barnes/Collins I’ll drive Tucker Lowry and Caleb to their new destinations

[Spacely]

Let’s say I have 20m in assets with the 122m cap, so if I s+t a player at 7m you automatically go into hard cap? That sounds dumb

[SoFlaKingReal]

From a Dec. '20 Athletic article:

There are only three actions a front office can take that subject it to a hard cap:

1. Acquiring a player by sign-and-trade. Remember that this is only bringing in a new player this way; using a sign-and-trade to send out one of your own free agents does not trigger the hard cap.

2. Signing a player using the larger non-taxpayer mid-level exception. For the 2020-21 season, the smaller taxpayer MLE starts at $5.718 million and contracts can only run for up to three seasons, while the non-taxpayer MLE is worth $9.258 million for the first season and contracts can run up to four seasons.

3. Signing a player using the bi-annual exception. Worth $3.623 million this league year, the BAE can be a one- or two-year contract, and using it both triggers the hard cap and prevents the team from using the BAE the next season.

[carnageta]

not sure i would have given 3 first rounders for murray tho... they overpaid... like crazy... hes got potential... but he aint on superstar status. i would of done herro + one 1st rounder.

Meh. The draft is often a crapshoot anyways, and FRP's have never been more overrated than they are right now. Hawks got a legit 2-way player who can mask a lot of their weaknesses. Murray is basically Marcus Smart on steroids and a better playmaker.

A Young/Murray backcourt has you set for the next 6-7 years at least.

[Variable-X]

not sure i would have given 3 first rounders for murray tho... they overpaid... like crazy... hes got potential... but he aint on superstar status. i would of done herro + one 1st rounder.

I see your point they didn't trade for Murray's talent in a vacuum. They are likely looking at how complimentary Murray's skill set is to Trae's. There are now two strong perimeter defenders in Murray and Hunter to help make up for Trae's lack of defense. And Murray is capable of creating for others which they were really missing against the Heat when Trae got locked up.

[Variable-X]

Let’s say I have 20m in assets with the 122m cap, so if I s+t a player at 7m you automatically go into hard cap? That sounds dumb

No it triggers the hard cap it doesn't automatically put you up against it. So if you had a bunch of cap space then you would still have that cap space, but it limits the value of exceptions and bird rights.

[Spacely]

Let’s say I have 20m in assets with the 122m cap, so if I s+t a player at 7m you automatically go into hard cap? That sounds dumb

No it triggers the hard cap it doesn't automatically put you up against it. So if you had a bunch of cap space then you would still have that cap space, but it limits the value of exceptions and bird rights.

What does triggering the hard cap actually do though

[Jfh20]

not sure i would have given 3 first rounders for murray tho... they overpaid... like crazy... hes got potential... but he aint on superstar status. i would of done herro + one 1st rounder.

Meh. The draft is often a crapshoot anyways, and FRP's have never been more overrated than they are right now. Hawks got a legit 2-way player who can mask a lot of their weaknesses. Murray is basically Marcus Smart on steroids and a better playmaker.

A Young/Murray backcourt has you set for the next 6-7 years at least.

tell that to golden state... they find superstars in the draft almost every year.... maybe we just need to find our bob myers??

[spectrec130]

Damn these bad (KL&DR) contracts are just an albatross but Duncans just makes me wanna puke.....

[Variable-X]

Let’s say I have 20m in assets with the 122m cap, so if I s+t a player at 7m you automatically go into hard cap? That sounds dumb

No it triggers the hard cap it doesn't automatically put you up against it. So if you had a bunch of cap space then you would still have that cap space, but it limits the value of exceptions and bird rights.

What does triggering the hard cap actually do though

So let's say that when the hard cap was triggered and the Heat were only 5 mil beneath the hard cap, it means that even with bird rights and exceptions the Heat cannot spend more than that 5 mil on filling out the roster. And there are place holder salaries in place for up to 14 players at the rookie min and that counts against the hard cap.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Brunson representatives requested the meeting. They are using us as leverage.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Brunson representatives requested the meeting. They are using us as leverage.

I agree but why would Pat agree?