2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition

[gom]

Not seen Spo this pissed in a long time.

[RexBoyWonder]

very hard to build a great team if you never pick in the top 10 of the draft and all the established stars are extending with their current teams, no good players are getting to free agency.

we needed a high lottery pick in this draft, it's a lost season anyway and it was clear to see months ago.

I don't see what offseason move can really take us to another level TBH.....

[Timantha]

Wild idea: If we ever decide to rebuild this summer, Warriors seem like a nice spot to trade Jimmy to. We get to see Jimmy contend and win some rings. Meanwhile, we'll get the Warriors future draft picks (2028, 2030) and pick swaps (2027, 2029). Steph and Klay will be 38-41 around this time, so we'll be getting some nice picks

[3ballbomber]

Wild idea: If we ever decide to rebuild this summer, Warriors seem like a nice spot to trade Jimmy to. We get to see Jimmy contend and win some rings. Meanwhile, we'll get the Warriors future draft picks (2028, 2030) and pick swaps (2027, 2029). Steph and Klay will be 38-41 around this time, so we'll be getting some nice picks

[al bondiga]

I have always felt joy in the Up-and-down of a season...It gives a reason for a play-of to Exist

But This time Play offs couldn't start fast enough, because I'm Is starting to Feel ashamed for the team...players and spo... I'm even Feeling sorry for our front office

Those 3 Is levels of Is the Miami Heat Have done a bad job So Is so we Half the playoffs to turn it all around

We have to make the playoffs first lol, we should be tanking instead

Come on man!! we are making the playoffs Let's be real

We are probably gonna be limping though

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The insertion of Kevin Love into the starting lineup has ruined this team imo. I realize they probably promised him the starting spot but it’s time to send him to the bench (where he was great last season finishing 2nd for 6MOY) if the team and his goals are truly winning.

This current starting group has a net rating of -4.7

Swap love for Caleb and the net rating is +20.6

That’s a MASSIVE gap in production. Love just has not worked as a starter, he can rebound and that’s about it.

Since he’s got to Miami he’s averaging 7/7 on 37% shooting, 23% from 3. Just horrible. 2 assists is solid I guess but the starting lineup sucks with him and he only played with the starters last night.

Lowry
Dipo
Strus
Love
Zeller

That’s actually a 2nd unit that could be very good, we’ve only got 1 undrafted guy there and he’s a specialist. Love is back in a role he was very comfortable in and the starting lineup that had been dominant is back. Caleb off the bench has been nice but he’s really only had like 3-4 good games since the ASB.

A shakeup needs to happen. This isn’t something that’s going to be fixed without mixing things up

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[carnageta]

We really need to move on from Vincent and Lowry this summer, and bring in a point guard that is under 30 and has a track record of not being a scrub (i.e. when we got rid of Chalmers/Norris Cole and brought in Goran Dragic).


And for the love of god, can we end this experiment with 'undrafted gems'? The only gems I want to see on this team next are the 14th and 15th man on the roster.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Love and Bam lineups have a -7 net rating. Size was not the answer

[gom]

I have always felt joy in the Up-and-down of a season...It gives a reason for a play-of to Exist

But This time Play offs couldn't start fast enough, because I'm Is starting to Feel ashamed for the team...players and spo... I'm even Feeling sorry for our front office

Those 3 Is levels of Is the Miami Heat Have done a bad job So Is so we Half the playoffs to turn it all around

We have to make the playoffs first lol, we should be tanking instead

Come on man!! we are making the playoffs Let's be real

We are probably gonna be limping though

I know right. There are professional tanking teams. How can we compete with them? Better off trying to knock off the Celtics or Bucks and having some fun.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

30 point games this season:

Bam: 11 (9-2 record)

Jimmy: 8 (3-5 record)

I’m trying to see how they correlate and add context to why we’re elite when Bam is our main focus and why we’re abysmal when Jimmy is our main focus. Does Jimmy hijack the offense when he’s scoring? Does bam or Jimmy play bad each time the other plays good? Is everyone outside of Jimmy trash when he plays good? I’ll do the digging for the forum to add some context like I always do.

9 wins with Bam over 30: 4-0 without Jimmy

Pacers: 38-9-3 on 75% shooting (better than Jimmys best game this season) Jimmy showed up with 25-5-7. Bench combined for 9, inefficient scoring from Tyler Gabe and Martin but they had solid numbers.

Wizards: 38-12-3 on 68% shooting (also better than Jimmys best game this season) Jimmy took a PTO day here, Caleb stepped up with an Efficient 20, Lowry and Herro had terrible shooting nights but efficient nights finding Bam in his spots as he abused Porzingis.

Jazz: 32-8-5 on 65% shooting. Jimmy PTO day. Tyler with an efficient 29-9-6 for one of his best games of the year. Same for Dipo at 23-5-5 everyone else was ass.

Hawks: 32-8 on 65% shooting. Jimmy PTO day. Efficient Caleb game, bad shooting game for Herro but when in doubt run your 2 man game with Bam and you’ll get a triple double like he did.

Clippers: 31-13 on 63% shooting. Herro with an efficiency 23-7-3, Jimmy was a complete no shown out 9 points on 25% shooting getting cooked by PG while Bam backpacked (crickets)

Clippers: 31-12-4 on 67% shooting. Jimmy showed up this one with an elite 26-5-8-4 on 85% shooting

Hawks: 30-11-5 on 85% shooting. Jimmy with 15 points although efficient, overall disinterested in a close game that Bam carried. (Crickets) 20-6-5 for Herro on bad shooting, Caleb matched Jimmy with 15 on 60% shooting.

Celtics: 30-15 just absolutely cooking Rob Williams. Jimmy PTO day, Highsmith with 15-10, everyone else was horrible.

Suns: 30-10, Jimmy with a good overall floor game at 15-13-7. Caleb and bench were solid.

So it looks like out of those 9 Jimmy had 4 PTO days, and in the 5 he played he was heavily carried twice. Herro stepped up and Caleb stepped up. Everyone else pretty mediocre. So as I’ve been saying in order to win if 2 of Bam Herro and Jimmy don’t show up with this horrible supporting cast it’s likely a loss and then they catch all the blame.

In the 2 losses with Bam over 30:

Knicks: 32-9-3 on 67% shooting. Herro played good the 2nd half offensively but the guys he defender overall shot 80%+ from the field. Jimmy a complete no show with 10 points on 38% shooting. Everyone else horrible.

Lakers (no LeBron or AD by the way): 30-13-3-2-3 on 57% shooting. Jimmy played great with 27-4-4 on 50% shooting. Everyone else was horrible. Schroder shredded our guards.

Looks like the main key to success is making sure Bam is getting the ball in his spots and is involved in a lot of actions to score and the team flows far better from it.

“How soon they forget”

I’ll dig into jimmys games next to add context.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We have to make the playoffs first lol, we should be tanking instead

Come on man!! we are making the playoffs Let's be real

We are probably gonna be limping though

I know right. There are professional tanking teams. How can we compete with them? Better off trying to knock off the Celtics or Bucks and having some fun.

We’ll make the play in for sure but at that point what’s it’s matter lol? I’d rather get a top 10 pick as a trade asset this summer. Are we confident in this team after we’ve seen what they are post ASB to win a single elimination game?

[twozeroMM]

The insertion of Kevin Love into the starting lineup has ruined this team imo. I realize they probably promised him the starting spot but it’s time to send him to the bench (where he was great last season finishing 2nd for 6MOY) if the team and his goals are truly winning.

This current starting group has a net rating of -4.7

Swap love for Caleb and the net rating is +20.6

That’s a MASSIVE gap in production. Love just has not worked as a starter, he can rebound and that’s about it.

Since he’s got to Miami he’s averaging 7/7 on 37% shooting, 23% from 3. Just horrible. 2 assists is solid I guess but the starting lineup sucks with him and he only played with the starters last night.

Lowry
Dipo
Strus
Love
Zeller

That’s actually a 2nd unit that could be very good, we’ve only got 1 undrafted guy there and he’s a specialist. Love is back in a role he was very comfortable in and the starting lineup that had been dominant is back. Caleb off the bench has been nice but he’s really only had like 3-4 good games since the ASB.

A shakeup needs to happen. This isn’t something that’s going to be fixed without mixing things up

Can’t ruin something that was already a s*** show.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Jimmy 30 point games this season: 8 (3 in the last 6, 3-5 record overall)

In the 3 wins:

Thunder: 35-7-4-4-3 on 33% shooting. Dominated the free throw line to compensate which is an elite skill
Of his. Strus was solid, as was Dipo. Bam and Herro did not play.

Hornets: 35-10-8 on 58% shooting. Bam with 18-14-4. Herro didn’t play, Duncan was good.

Cavs: 33-5-3 on 75% shooting. Bam 19-6-4-3 on 67% shooting. Herro 25-9-4. Strus was good, everyone else was bad. Is this the only game our 3 top guys played good efficient games together? Keep in mind I’m only filter by 30 point games.

In the 5 losses with Jimmy over 30:

Magic: 35-5-2 on 56% shooting. Bam got backpacked, completely disengaged after getting only 3 touches on the 1st. Had been disengaged and uninterested since the love acquisition, bad body language. Herro ate a bad protein bar. Gabe and Lowry were solid.

Hawks: 34-3-3 on 68% shooting. Bam 20-13-5-3-3 on 50% shooting. Herro was solid, Dipo was solid, but outside of the top 10 not much efficient contributions.

Knicks: 33-8-5 on 47% shooting. Bam disengaged at 18-4-4. Really good Tyler game at 29-8-6, think those guys gave enough overall, lost on a prayer at the buzzer. Really good Caleb game.

Bucks: 32-8-3 on 52% shooting. Bam 16-11-8. Jimmy scoreless in the 4th as Spo sat him way too long and killed his rhythm. Herro 24-5-6 but took 24 shots to get there, not ideal but not a killer. Caleb was good, Strus was solid. Everyone else sucked.

Spurs: 30-2-4 on 68% shooting. Bam was backpacked with 12-9-4 on 50% shooting. I believe his lowest usage of the season, bad coaching decision. Herro with 23-5-5 on 50% shooting.

From what I see we have a team that is heavily reliant on our top 3 guys all playing at a high level together to be able to pull out wins. Caleb seems to be our 4th best player from all the metrics and in terms of guys who show up when our guys are playing good.

Overall games backpacked:

1. Bam
2. Jimmy
3. Herro

It’s just a damn shame their only help this entire season has been undrafted guys or washed up veterans.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The insertion of Kevin Love into the starting lineup has ruined this team imo. I realize they probably promised him the starting spot but it’s time to send him to the bench (where he was great last season finishing 2nd for 6MOY) if the team and his goals are truly winning.

This current starting group has a net rating of -4.7

Swap love for Caleb and the net rating is +20.6

That’s a MASSIVE gap in production. Love just has not worked as a starter, he can rebound and that’s about it.

Since he’s got to Miami he’s averaging 7/7 on 37% shooting, 23% from 3. Just horrible. 2 assists is solid I guess but the starting lineup sucks with him and he only played with the starters last night.

Lowry
Dipo
Strus
Love
Zeller

That’s actually a 2nd unit that could be very good, we’ve only got 1 undrafted guy there and he’s a specialist. Love is back in a role he was very comfortable in and the starting lineup that had been dominant is back. Caleb off the bench has been nice but he’s really only had like 3-4 good games since the ASB.

A shakeup needs to happen. This isn’t something that’s going to be fixed without mixing things up

Can’t ruin something that was already a s*** show.

The starting group was elite, has been all season. That’s why we needed to add legit help to the bench to turn the team around. We decided not to and we signed 2 guys via buyout and started one of them when he should’ve been off the bench. That bench unit above with vets surrounded Strus and Love who was runner up for 6MOY could actually be on to something and if they can pick up where the starting lineup left off we would actually run out a very elite run to end the year. Just don’t see Spo adjusting

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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They said it not me, the bounce back is coming soon and it’ll be great

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The Nets are a team we should be looking at for a trade like the Lakers did with Westbrook. They have a lot of pieces on that team that would make Miami do a complete 180 this summer if we acquired

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Coming out of the ASB the 4th seed was attainable, after a week we played ourselves out of any chance of the 4th. After another week or 2 we’ve played ourselves out of getting the 5th. Our only chance is to catch the Knicks and that’s ONLY because we play them twice although it is very unlikely.

Best case scenario, IF we make the playoffs our first round matchup is going to be either the Bucks Celtics or Sixers with the Sixers being very unlikely as we’d need the 6th seed more than likely

[Timantha]

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Yay we getting bounced by the Bucks or Celtics first round

[Jfh20]

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Yay we getting bounced by the Bucks or Celtics first round

which would all but guarantee us a lottery pick... wendy is ours!