2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2

[batterybro42]

Best course for Miami is to move Butler for whatever they can, he shouldn’t play another game for the team.

Let Herro get a year and a half audition as the franchise alpha

Make a decision on Bam and if he is going to be a lifer here

Don’t sign any new players

Wait for the 2026 offseason and reset this roster

Build a team around Herro and Bam or one or the other, or possibly neither. Need to fully explore the capabilities of Herro, Bam, Jovic, JJJ, Ware, and Larson and decide which ones you want to carry into the next window. There is no magic pill that is going to have this team in a finals in this season or the next.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Happy New Years Fam!

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Keshad is a straight up savage. Spo should just try starting him and see what happens

[SerialChiller]

Just curious who here would be willing to move Bam along with Jimmy and start a Herro/JJJ/Jovic/Ware/etc timeline? I'm guessing most would since he gets hated on like crazy or maybe it's just to piss off Bammy lmao? I'd do it for picks I think.

[insfo]

Yall need to get off here and go eat some ass, it’s New Year’s Eve

I just ate some duck. Hope that counts.

I read that with a different vowel

[marson]

Just curious who here would be willing to move Bam along with Jimmy and start a Herro/JJJ/Jovic/Ware/etc timeline? I'm guessing most would since he gets hated on like crazy or maybe it's just to piss off Bammy lmao? I'd do it for picks I think.

It depends if Bam's performance take the Ben Simmons route and Ware shows potential, then FO should send Bam to a team that needs an elite role player that won't ask him to do much in the offensive side.

27-28 years old should be someone's peak career and in the uptrend, FO should keep a watch before the 50 mil a year kicks in.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Pullin has NBA size at PG

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Just curious who here would be willing to move Bam along with Jimmy and start a Herro/JJJ/Jovic/Ware/etc timeline? I'm guessing most would since he gets hated on like crazy or maybe it's just to piss off Bammy lmao? I'd do it for picks I think.

It depends if Bam's performance take the Ben Simmons route and Ware shows potential, then FO should send Bam to a team that needs an elite role player that won't ask him to do much in the offensive side.

27-28 years old should be someone's peak career and in the uptrend, FO should keep a watch before the 50 mil a year kicks in.

Gotta get him to OKC so they can win the next 5 championships and we draft a bunch of winslows. GET IT DONE SLEEPY!!!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Pullin has NBA size at PG

STOP IT!!!!!!!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!!

[SerialChiller]

Just curious who here would be willing to move Bam along with Jimmy and start a Herro/JJJ/Jovic/Ware/etc timeline? I'm guessing most would since he gets hated on like crazy or maybe it's just to piss off Bammy lmao? I'd do it for picks I think.

It depends if Bam's performance take the Ben Simmons route and Ware shows potential, then FO should send Bam to a team that needs an elite role player that won't ask him to do much in the offensive side.

27-28 years old should be someone's peak career and in the uptrend, FO should keep a watch before the 50 mil a year kicks in.

Gotta get him to OKC so they can win the next 5 championships and we draft a bunch of winslows. GET IT DONE SLEEPY!!!

I only say I'd consider it for picks because we already wasted Jimmy's timeline and Bam is the next oldest and then it's Herro and younger guys. Bams the inbetween age wise guy now if we do move on from Jimmy.

[Pokuokic]

A somewhat all in move and one that could make Jimmy expandable if it does not work next year could be....

Dejontay Murray + Theiss for Rozier/JJJ//Richardson. Pelicans get off Murrays contract and basically get JJJ (might have to be Jovic don't think they want Ware since they got Missi) as a draft pick/young player I'd say Murray value has tanked with him not helping either Atlanta or NOP (not his fault in this one) win games.

On paper Murray/Herro seems like a legit combo and he would somewhat help Bam but probably not much since he's more a jack of all trades rather than a elite playmaker.

Murray/Brogdan/Marcus Smart (not a fan) all look extremely gettable, I doubt Fox is because they literally built the team around him and fired the coach (they traded Hali/drafted Keegan Murray to fit him until the idiotic DDR signing).

Maybe a Ingram/could be another way to go.....you throw in Duncan/Terry and whatever else at worst he's cap relief next year with his expiring and you only give up one of the younger pieces.

[Pokuokic]

Josh Giddy could be another one the Heat could swing at he's still super young not the best scorer but elite IQ/playmaking/ excellent rebounder at PG/SG/SF not sure how the spacing would work but it can't be worse than with Terry this year.

A Giddy/Vuc combo solves all the rebounding problems and moves Bam to PF to see if he can play well there and those 2 are easily the best 2 passers on the team.

Vuc
Bam
Jimmy
Tyler
Giddy

Is one of the best rebounding 5's in the NBA and obviously you can mix and match with Highsmith if the spacing is not on maybe Giddy can run the second unit with Ware/whoever. Athletically the team would be maybe the least athletic in the whole NBA

[contract]

Fox/Klutch hold the cards hell get where he wants whether it’s at the deadline, this summer, or next summer. Stay tuned. Trust The Godfather.

Fox isn't making All NBA so his money situation doesn't change. He's has full control over where he goes. This is actually better than any of our previous attempts here imo.

Why are we doing this again so soon after it was demonstrated that a team doesn't have to trade a player where he wants to go? In fact a team can refuse to trade a player where he wants to go. "Miami only" can turn into anywhere but Miami real quick. Cronin proved that. The only way we're getting him is to win the bidding war, and to win a bidding war you need attractive assets that you're willing to part with.

We're not going to sign him as a free agent 2026. Pat is not clearing out our cap for De'Aaron Fox. He ain't that dude. And there's zero chance that Fox doesn't sign an extension before then anyway.

[contract]

Best course for Miami is to move Butler for whatever they can, he shouldn’t play another game for the team.

Let Herro get a year and a half audition as the franchise alpha

Make a decision on Bam and if he is going to be a lifer here

Don’t sign any new players

Wait for the 2026 offseason and reset this roster

Build a team around Herro and Bam or one or the other, or possibly neither. Need to fully explore the capabilities of Herro, Bam, Jovic, JJJ, Ware, and Larson and decide which ones you want to carry into the next window. There is no magic pill that is going to have this team in a finals in this season or the next.

You want to go back to the Glen Rice years?

[marson]

Josh Giddy could be another one the Heat could swing at he's still super young not the best scorer but elite IQ/playmaking/ excellent rebounder at PG/SG/SF not sure how the spacing would work but it can't be worse than with Terry this year.

A Giddy/Vuc combo solves all the rebounding problems and moves Bam to PF to see if he can play well there and those 2 are easily the best 2 passers on the team.

Vuc
Bam
Jimmy
Tyler
Giddy

Is one of the best rebounding 5's in the NBA and obviously you can mix and match with Highsmith if the spacing is not on maybe Giddy can run the second unit with Ware/whoever. Athletically the team would be maybe the least athletic in the whole NBA

Tyler and Giddy backcourt defense? Yikes

[twix2500]

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I think 35 years old is a key age to Riley and how he looks at it contractual wise. Here is an example of how he looked at Wade situation.

“Well, if you’re rolling over year to year, and you’re looking at the free-agent class, then having your best and most important player at a time in his career, he’s 35 years old, having him on a one-and-one, on a two-year deal, one-and-one, so if he does opt out then obviously the next year if there’s people out there in the market that you want that could come in under, and then you have that flexibility versus being locked into a three-year deal where you don’t,” Riley said Saturday of Wade.

[twix2500]

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I think 35 years old is a key age to Riley and how he looks at it contractual wise. Here is an example of how he looked at Wade situation.

“Well, if you’re rolling over year to year, and you’re looking at the free-agent class, then having your best and most important player at a time in his career, he’s 35 years old, having him on a one-and-one, on a two-year deal, one-and-one, so if he does opt out then obviously the next year if there’s people out there in the market that you want that could come in under, and then you have that flexibility versus being locked into a three-year deal where you don’t,” Riley said Saturday of Wade.

I also think there is an issue the Heat have with Butler outside of the court, business wise. Many do not know what is usually expected when a player is getting paid top dollar and that as a representative of the team. And many do not care. But It has been said that Butler hardly ever participate in functions with the organization that is usually expected from a star that Bosh, Hardaway, Wade, Shaq, and even Lebron all participated in. And Currently Bam is the one doing all the organization function work and Butler doesnt get involved in. And that is something the Heat has made one of many exception for Butler, that the Heat didnt make an exception for Wade Lebron, Bosh, Zo and Shaq (Shaq thrived in this aspect) etc.. And its one of the things the Heat as an organzation do not want to make it as a norm, this is part of what Riley may elluded to when he says he let the culture slip and players attendence. Remember, Pat is not the coach or the GM, he is the President of the organization.

If the team is starting to lean toward making this Herro and Bam team over Butler, then the on-court dynamics, Jimmy miss games, and Jimmy is missing off-court participatation, and Jimmy is gonna be 36 and 37 yrs old, he may not be worth the Max ORRR at least it needs to be an incentive in his contract to be more involved on and off the court.

Just to give a little more understanding, Butler presence could mean the organization making 100 of millions of dollars. If an organization if considering partnership with the Heat, they want to know if the team stars are going to be involved in the partnership. Example arena naming rights, if I give billions of dollars to for the naming rights will Jimmy Butler be involved in my marketing of my company. That goes into the negotitions on how much one is willing to pay to be a in partnership with the team.

[wade44]

For any potential butler trade do we prioritize:

Late 1st round pick(s?), unknown prospects, maybe Wiggins that will help us convey the pick

Or keep Jimmy to ensure you’re good enough to convey the pick and be comfortable letting him walk to get loads of much needed cap space

The first scenario doesn’t move the needle as far as restocking the cupboard with valuable players or picks

[twix2500]

By Michael Scotto | December 31, 2024

Golden State has done its due diligence on several notable players on the trade market, including but not limited to Jimmy Butler – whom Warriors general manager Mike Dunleavy Jr. played with in Chicago – Brandon Ingram, Cam Johnson, Zach LaVine, Nikola Vucevic, Kyle Kuzma, etc.

Butler is seemingly the top target, but Heat President Pat Riley has publicly denied he’ll be traded. Ingram’s ankle injury and impending free agency have complicated his trade value.

Johnson’s contract incentives are a factor the Warriors must take into account in any potential trade for him while navigating their luxury tax situation. Furthermore, talks between the Nets and Warriors regarding Johnson were always exploratory when they previously discussed a Schroder trade, league sources told HoopsHype. Warriors forward Jonathan Kuminga wasn’t discussed in a trade package at that time for Johnson, sources said.

Golden State is expected to remain active leading up to the trade deadline, league sources said. The Warriors can flip Schroder in a trade if needed, have young assets in Kuminga, Moses Moody and Brandin Podziemski, expiring contracts of Gary Payton II ($9.13 million) and Kevon Looney ($8 million), and they own all of their first-round picks except for 2030, which is protected 1-20 to Washington.

Before Brandon Ingram essentially shut down exploratory trade talks between the Jazz and Pelicans because of his unwillingness to re-sign in Utah long-term, the two teams kicked around the concept of John Collins heading to New Orleans as part of a trade package along with unspecified draft pick compensation, league sources told HoopsHype. However, talks ultimately fizzled before getting serious, with Ingram unwilling to commit long-term to Utah.

Currently, teams who’ve been monitoring Miami’s Jimmy Butler are also keeping tabs on Ingram with five weeks until the trade deadline.

While the Pelicans continue to gauge the trade market for Ingram, who remains out with an ankle injury, New Orleans is expected to try and duck the tax by moving one or two minimum players on the roster while trying to create a roster spot to also convert a two-way player, Brandon Boston Jr., league sources told HoopsHype.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-lakers-warriors-nets-thunder-bulls-nuggets-grizzlies-pelicans-kings-raptors-clippers/

[Beenie]

Just curious who here would be willing to move Bam along with Jimmy and start a Herro/JJJ/Jovic/Ware/etc timeline? I'm guessing most would since he gets hated on like crazy or maybe it's just to piss off Bammy lmao? I'd do it for picks I think.

I’ve been consistently saying that if they move Jimmy they should also trade bam as soon as he’s trade eligible.

Bam gets them a Gobert-like trade package.

And most likely at some point trade Herro too when they can maximize a return package for him.

Gonna be unwatchably dreadful when Jimmy is gone so mine as well do a hard resetting of the roster.