2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

[VaDe255]

People are so emotional lol

PHX also wanted future first round compensation.

I don't rate any of these picks as valuable, it's mostly mid to late round picks when it comes to the Heat. Don't really need another Jaquez or Jovic on the team, I hope they just move the #20 pick.

This team already has Ware, Jovic, Jaquez and some GLeaguers as projects, they aren't resetting, it makes no sense to take on more.

I used to feel the same way, but in today's NBA draft picks are immensely valuable as trade chips. The Heat are always running with a deficit of firsts, when the name of the game now is stockpiling firsts.

In many ways, the Heat have been left in the past.

Wrong.

They can hoard all the Jaquez/Jovic level picks they want, it won’t get them a star like Giannis or SGA. Other franchises will always have more attractive assets to offer when it matters.

Let’s not pretend these picks are some golden currency. Most teams, especially contenders, don’t have the time or patience to develop multiple “maybe” prospects. These picks mainly appeal to rebuilding teams that are stockpiling and tanking, not the teams who have win now players.

At some point, you need to pivot from collecting talent to consolidating it. Magic figured that out: they paid 3 firsts for Desmond Bane and another first just to offload salary.

Passing on Durant to protect mid firsts and developmental projects? Great, that’s a missed win now window, plain and simple. Keep telling yourself whatever you need to cope

[Vertical Limit]

James Jones probably gets an extension from that robbery he committed.

[SoFlaKingReal]

I don't rate any of these picks as valuable, it's mostly mid to late round picks when it comes to the Heat. Don't really need another Jaquez or Jovic on the team, I hope they just move the #20 pick.

This team already has Ware, Jovic, Jaquez and some GLeaguers as projects, they aren't resetting, it makes no sense to take on more.

I used to feel the same way, but in today's NBA draft picks are immensely valuable as trade chips. The Heat are always running with a deficit of firsts, when the name of the game now is stockpiling firsts.

In many ways, the Heat have been left in the past.

Wrong.

They can hoard all the Jaquez/Jovic level picks they want, it won’t get them a star like Giannis or SGA. Other franchises will always have more attractive assets to offer when it matters.

Let’s not pretend these picks are some golden currency. Most teams, especially contenders, don’t have the time or patience to develop multiple “maybe” prospects. These picks mainly appeal to rebuilding teams that are stockpiling and tanking, not the teams who have win now players.

At some point, you need to pivot from collecting talent to consolidating it. Magic figured that out: they paid 3 firsts for Desmond Bane and another first just to offload salary.

Passing on Durant to protect mid firsts and developmental projects? Great, that’s a missed win now window, plain and simple. Keep telling yourself whatever you need to cope

IMO, this team wasn't winning anything with Durant and they made the right move to hold on to the future picks.

[EMC5466]

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[SoFlaKingReal]

James Jones probably gets an extension from that robbery he committed.

James Jones isn't in control in PHX anymore. He was quietly demoted to "senior advisor" recently.

[VaDe255]

I used to feel the same way, but in today's NBA draft picks are immensely valuable as trade chips. The Heat are always running with a deficit of firsts, when the name of the game now is stockpiling firsts.

In many ways, the Heat have been left in the past.

Wrong.

They can hoard all the Jaquez/Jovic level picks they want, it won’t get them a star like Giannis or SGA. Other franchises will always have more attractive assets to offer when it matters.

Let’s not pretend these picks are some golden currency. Most teams, especially contenders, don’t have the time or patience to develop multiple “maybe” prospects. These picks mainly appeal to rebuilding teams that are stockpiling and tanking, not the teams who have win now players.

At some point, you need to pivot from collecting talent to consolidating it. Magic figured that out: they paid 3 firsts for Desmond Bane and another first just to offload salary.

Passing on Durant to protect mid firsts and developmental projects? Great, that’s a missed win now window, plain and simple. Keep telling yourself whatever you need to cope

IMO, this team wasn't winning anything with Durant and they made the right move to hold on to the future picks.

Yeah, just like were not winning anything with Jimmy...

[marson]

Let this be a friendly reminder to those who though Jovic, JJJ Wiggins are asset, that was clearly not the case.

It all came down to the 10th pick. This draft is just too deep, they could still get someone like Jase, Fears, or Clifford in that range.

If we had the 10th pick, KD would’ve been a lock for the Heat, no matter who was going out in the deal.

[Shewasfly]

I think the value of our offer was around providing them salary relief. It looks like the Suns chose the 10th pick over the salary relief we were going to give them. And getting a young talent in Jalen Green on top of that was probably icing.

If I'm to guess, I think they are probably banking on being able to offload salary in other, follow up deals since they didn't do it with us.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't rate any of these picks as valuable, it's mostly mid to late round picks when it comes to the Heat. Don't really need another Jaquez or Jovic on the team, I hope they just move the #20 pick.

This team already has Ware, Jovic, Jaquez and some GLeaguers as projects, they aren't resetting, it makes no sense to take on more.

I used to feel the same way, but in today's NBA draft picks are immensely valuable as trade chips. The Heat are always running with a deficit of firsts, when the name of the game now is stockpiling firsts.

In many ways, the Heat have been left in the past.

Wrong.

They can hoard all the Jaquez/Jovic level picks they want, it won’t get them a star like Giannis or SGA. Other franchises will always have more attractive assets to offer when it matters.

Let’s not pretend these picks are some golden currency. Most teams, especially contenders, don’t have the time or patience to develop multiple “maybe” prospects. These picks mainly appeal to rebuilding teams that are stockpiling and tanking, not the teams who have win now players.

At some point, you need to pivot from collecting talent to consolidating it. Magic figured that out: they paid 3 firsts for Desmond Bane and another first just to offload salary.

Passing on Durant to protect mid firsts and developmental projects? Great, that’s a missed win now window, plain and simple. Keep telling yourself whatever you need to cope

That’s the sad reality of it all, we passed on it because we didn’t want to include guys who likely are never more than solid role players. This place would be buzzing if we landed KD today and we’d be discussing follow up moves/signings to round out the roster to try and go win a championship over the next 2-3 years. This franchise has become far too comfortable with mediocrity

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Yea I’m sure they are Barry

[Rapaz]

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For the fourth time in a decade, the Heat fell short in an attempt to land 15-time All Star Kevin Durant, and the reasons for that became clearer on Sunday evening.

According to a source with direct knowledge, the Heat not only declined to offer center Kel’el Ware, but also did not offer forward Nikola Jovic to Phoenix in final discussions between the team before Suns shipped Durant to Houston on Sunday.

Also, the source said that Miami was never willing to offer more than one first-round pick.

The Heat’s final offer included Andrew Wiggins, Terry Rozier, two bench players and the 20th pick in Wednesday’s NBA Draft. Haywood Highsmith and Jaime Jaquez Jr. were discussed as those two additional pieces in Miami’s offer, the source said.

In order for Miami to make the deal cap compliant and offer the Suns more than only Wiggins, Rozier and the 20th pick, Miami was willing to take on the salary of an unnamed Suns player, according to an Eastern Conference source.

NBA reporter Marc Stein said earlier this week that the Heat had interest in Suns wing Cody Martin.

But Phoenix ultimately wasn’t tempted by a package of Wiggins, Rozier, Jaquez, Highsmith and the 20th pick.

The Heat presented other permutations but did not want to offer Ware and was very reluctant to include Jovic or additional draft inventory.

Instead, the Suns accepted Houston’s offer of wings Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks, the No. 10 overall pick in Wednesday’s draft and five second-round picks. Miami’s offer wasn’t considered to be competitive with Houston’s, according to an Eastern Conference source in touch with the Suns.

Ultimately, Miami declined to offer Ware, the second-year center who finished in the top 20 in the league last season in both rebounds and blocks per 48 minutes.He averaged 9.3 points, 7.4 rebounds and 1.1 blocks per game in 64 appearances (36 starts) as a rookie last season.

Miami also did not want to part with Jovic, who averaged 10.7 points and 3.9 rebounds in his third NBA season.

The Heat could have offered as many as two first-round picks if the trade had been made and announced before the NBA Draft and as many as three if the trade had been agreed to, but not finalized, until after the draft.

But the Heat offered only the 20th pick and declined to dangle its first-round pick in 2030 or 2031. Miami’s first-round picks in 2026, 2027, 2028 and 2029 are off limits due to terms of the 2024 Rozier trade that will send a lottery-protected first round pick to Charlotte in 2027 or otherwise, an unprotected first-round pick in 2028.

[MartyCONLONNN]

I mentioned before the news broke today that Hou and SA were not out of the picture.. it was clear that 1 of them just had to decide that they wanted Durant and they wouldnt have to pay much to outbid our frugal, emotional midget loser mentality executives currently in place in the FO. All it took was a quick call from either of those teams and they would get it done shortly.

From the Miami side, these past couple years have been a masterclass at ineptitude. Expect them top sell the fan base on Derozan, esp because now they feel they need to do something with all the backlash.

[Vertical Limit]

Let this be a friendly reminder to those who though Jovic, JJJ Wiggins are asset, that was clearly not the case.

It all came down to the 10th pick. This draft is just too deep, they could still get someone like Jase, Fears, or Clifford in that range.

If we had the 10th pick, KD would’ve been a lock for the Heat, no matter who was going out in the deal.

Im not trading the 10th pick for 37 year old KD.

Houston couldve had that a done deal for Jalen Green alone along with matching contracts. Phoenix fleeced them, used us as leverage.

Jalen Green in the open market could get you 3 unprotected firsts. We are talking about a young star guard with explosiveness and athleticism like Anthony Edwards and has not peaked.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Heat offered almost exactly what most on this board proposed they should.

[SerialChiller]

Kuminga gonna be our big move...from Jimmy Buckets to Kum Buckets! In Pat I Trust!

[SoFlaKingReal]

Let this be a friendly reminder to those who though Jovic, JJJ Wiggins are asset, that was clearly not the case.

It all came down to the 10th pick. This draft is just too deep, they could still get someone like Jase, Fears, or Clifford in that range.

If we had the 10th pick, KD would’ve been a lock for the Heat, no matter who was going out in the deal.

Im not trading the 10th pick for 37 year old KD.

Houston couldve had that a done deal for Jalen Green alone along with matching contracts. Phoenix fleeced them, used us as leverage.

Jalen Green in the open market could get you 3 unprotected firsts. We are talking about a young star guard with explosiveness and athleticism like Anthony Edwards and has not peaked.

100% agree. Jalen Green PLUS the #10 pick this year? Heat never had a chance.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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For the fourth time in a decade, the Heat fell short in an attempt to land 15-time All Star Kevin Durant, and the reasons for that became clearer on Sunday evening.

According to a source with direct knowledge, the Heat not only declined to offer center Kel’el Ware, but also did not offer forward Nikola Jovic to Phoenix in final discussions between the team before Suns shipped Durant to Houston on Sunday.

Also, the source said that Miami was never willing to offer more than one first-round pick.

The Heat’s final offer included Andrew Wiggins, Terry Rozier, two bench players and the 20th pick in Wednesday’s NBA Draft. Haywood Highsmith and Jaime Jaquez Jr. were discussed as those two additional pieces in Miami’s offer, the source said.

In order for Miami to make the deal cap compliant and offer the Suns more than only Wiggins, Rozier and the 20th pick, Miami was willing to take on the salary of an unnamed Suns player, according to an Eastern Conference source.

NBA reporter Marc Stein said earlier this week that the Heat had interest in Suns wing Cody Martin.

But Phoenix ultimately wasn’t tempted by a package of Wiggins, Rozier, Jaquez, Highsmith and the 20th pick.

The Heat presented other permutations but did not want to offer Ware and was very reluctant to include Jovic or additional draft inventory.

Instead, the Suns accepted Houston’s offer of wings Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks, the No. 10 overall pick in Wednesday’s draft and five second-round picks. Miami’s offer wasn’t considered to be competitive with Houston’s, according to an Eastern Conference source in touch with the Suns.

Ultimately, Miami declined to offer Ware, the second-year center who finished in the top 20 in the league last season in both rebounds and blocks per 48 minutes.He averaged 9.3 points, 7.4 rebounds and 1.1 blocks per game in 64 appearances (36 starts) as a rookie last season.

Miami also did not want to part with Jovic, who averaged 10.7 points and 3.9 rebounds in his third NBA season.

The Heat could have offered as many as two first-round picks if the trade had been made and announced before the NBA Draft and as many as three if the trade had been agreed to, but not finalized, until after the draft.

But the Heat offered only the 20th pick and declined to dangle its first-round pick in 2030 or 2031. Miami’s first-round picks in 2026, 2027, 2028 and 2029 are off limits due to terms of the 2024 Rozier trade that will send a lottery-protected first round pick to Charlotte in 2027 or otherwise, an unprotected first-round pick in 2028.

[fincane30]

Turns out Duncan Robinson wasn't even eligible to give the Suns cap relief until July 8th

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I love how every time we miss out on a star that wants to be in Miami it always turns to “see we never even had a chance to get that done” or “wow they overpaid we dodged a bullet”. I don’t believe either of those things in this scenario but even if we never had a chance, we need to stop glossing over the reason WHY we never had a chance. It’s time to stop giving this FO pass after pass

[marson]

Let this be a friendly reminder to those who though Jovic, JJJ Wiggins are asset, that was clearly not the case.

It all came down to the 10th pick. This draft is just too deep, they could still get someone like Jase, Fears, or Clifford in that range.

If we had the 10th pick, KD would’ve been a lock for the Heat, no matter who was going out in the deal.

Im not trading the 10th pick for 37 year old KD.

Houston couldve had that a done deal for Jalen Green alone along with matching contracts. Phoenix fleeced them, used us as leverage.

Jalen Green in the open market could get you 3 unprotected firsts. We are talking about a young star guard with explosiveness and athleticism like Anthony Edwards and has not peaked.

It makes sense for Houston as the 2nd seed, they’re just one piece away.

KD is more valuable to them than the 10th pick and Green has been their weakest link this postseason. Houston win imo.