Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 3

[Heat_Down_Under]

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3ummy did you seriously promote your fav player again after him being the worst +- on the floor? you did the same at the start of the knicks game thread with tucker saying bam should be DPOY and then dissapeared… what happened 3ummy? Then You wanted posters to join you to roast the team in this thread, yet you really wanted us to come see you show off bam? Show it on the court… not on twitter… just like you couldn’t show it on the court in the video I’m still waiting for you to send 3ummy

You sound like a complete idiot lol

I don’t know who’s more of a bum lately you 3ummy or Bum adabayo

[MorbidHEAT]

We play the Nets and Celtics in 2 of our next 8 games. I can't remember if we have the tie breaker with the Bucks or not. If we win those 2 games with the Nets and Celtics and lose at most 1 or 2 games out of the 8, we should probably still hold on to the 1 seed. We love to make it more difficult than it should be.

[MorbidHEAT]

Also, for the life of me, I don't understand why they don't teach Bam to operate in the low post. With his athleticism and explosiveness he should average 25 and 10. Teach that man footwork and how to finesse around the rim and teach him a hook shot.

[Heat_Down_Under]

Also, for the life of me, I don't understand why they don't teach Bam to operate in the low post. With his athleticism and explosiveness he should average 25 and 10. Teach that man footwork and how to finesse around the rim and teach him a hook shot.

You seriously expecting them to teach him that at 24? he doesn’t have it in him… bam is overrated offensively.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Also, for the life of me, I don't understand why they don't teach Bam to operate in the low post. With his athleticism and explosiveness he should average 25 and 10. Teach that man footwork and how to finesse around the rim and teach him a hook shot.

He needs to be more aggressive for sure but stop having that mfer out at the 3 point line running DHOs for Duncan all game if that’s what we want and need out of him. I agree 100%. Give him the ball and let him go to work. This team is an embarrassment right now

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Also, for the life of me, I don't understand why they don't teach Bam to operate in the low post. With his athleticism and explosiveness he should average 25 and 10. Teach that man footwork and how to finesse around the rim and teach him a hook shot.

He needs to be more aggressive for sure but stop having that mfer out at the 3 point line running DHOs for Duncan all game if that’s what we want and need out of him. I agree 100%. Give him the ball and let him go to work. This team is an embarrassment right now

[somerandomdude]

A look back on our losing streaks throughout the season

Spoiler:

Notes:
* Not a knock on Bam, just a critique of playing small and switching vs playing big and mixing up coverages
* Bam didn't have Kyle Lowry for the 2nd of 3 losses in a row
* Yurtz didn't have Jimmy Butler for the 1st of 2 losses in a row
* Yurtz first two losses were off the bench
* Dedmon was a -44 in the first of the two losses in a row
* Yurtseven was a +9 in this sample size, his lowest +/- was -3.
* vs Kings, we got screwed by the refs on FTAs and Jimmy missed a few easy layups to tie
* vs Warriors, we should've been blown out with all the circumstances we faced (I mentioned them in the GSW GT), but we only lost by 7, which is half of what we lost against them a few nights ago

Final thoughts:
* Erik Spoelstra would rather lose a lot of games rather than play Omer Yurtseven
* He needs to find a way to make Bam and Yurtz work, which ain't that hard if he'd just a̶d̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ abandon his philosophical views on the game of basketball.

[contract]

What a time to collapse.

[harlem_ball]

A look back on our losing streaks throughout the season

Spoiler:

Notes:
* Not a knock on Bam, just a critique of playing small and switching vs playing big and mixing up coverages
* Bam didn't have Kyle Lowry for the 2nd of 3 losses in a row
* Yurtz didn't have Jimmy Butler for the 1st of 2 losses in a row
* Yurtz first two losses were off the bench
* Dedmon was a -44 in the first of the two losses in a row
* Yurtseven was a +9 in this sample size, his lowest +/- was -3.
* vs Kings, we got screwed by the refs on FTAs and Jimmy missed a few easy layups to tie
* vs Warriors, we should've been blown out with all the circumstances we faced (I mentioned them in the GSW GT), but we only lost by 7, which is half of what we lost against them a few nights ago

Final thoughts:
* Erik Spoelstra would rather lose a lot of games rather than play Omer Yurtseven
* He needs to find a way to make Bam and Yurtz work, which ain't that hard if he'd just a̶d̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ abandon his philosophical views on the game of basketball.

Yea we are repeating ourselves as nauseum. I've never seen a coach sabotage and gaslight their team until this season. It's quite awesome.

Also Gabe Vincent stopped hitting threes and game winners. All that work to make him legit and he has disappeared, likely due to the Dipo pipe dream.

Spo blew up so much progress to end up with a losing endeavor. Herro will help things but the rest of the team is broken again from a chemistry standpoint.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

A lot to digest right now but I think most of it really comes down to the fact that this team has become dependent on Herro to lift the offense. If he's out, or having a bad game, we simply can't execute in the halfcourt when it matters. Herro's ability to freelance and create offense out of nothing for himself and others outside of the lame "system" we run is just so crucial

And speaking of system, the whole overreliance on Duncan thing is beyond failed lol. Ditch the DHO action, make him a spot up shooter and if he isn't hitting by halftime that night then park his ass on the bench. Dude hasn't had consecutive good shooting games since March 11th. In fact if you look at his game log for the season:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robindu01/gamelog/2022

I count only 6 instances where he's shot 40% or better from 3 for consecutive games. Literally every other time he hit 40% it was sandwiched in between two or more chit shooting nights. With that level of inconsistency, how in the blue hell are you gonna design an offense around his shooting

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Oh and I no longer give a phuck about the "gravity" Duncan brings even when he isn't shooting well. It does exist to a degree but at this point I think it's outweighed by inefficiency that results when you spend the first half of the shotclock trying to run Duncan open only for us to end up with a rushed low % shot to beat the buzzer because we couldn't get Duncan an open look -- or he got one and just bricked it as usual

I could be wrong about that but the data seems to back me up:

Heat ORTG with Duncan on the floor: 111.7
Heat ORTG with Duncan off the floor: 115.8

It's almost the direct inverse of Herro:

Heat ORTG with Herro on the floor: 115.2
Heat ORTG with Herro off the floor: 111.8

The Herro "system" >>>> Duncan DHO system

[contract]

Every year we do a prediction thread to start the season, and this question and answer is evergreen ...

10) What will our board posters write about Spo once this season is over? Same as always. He's washed, stupid, can't coach ...

I hope next season Spo finally abandons small ball. I hope we play midget ball next season. I hope we keep 4 guards on the floor at all times and Tyler Herro is our starting PF. I hope the only two guys on the entire roster taller than 6'5 are Bam and Jimmy.

[AirP.]

Since I gravitate towards ORTG-DRTG more then +/- to see an individual's impact on both sides of the ball I decided to look at the individual games and wow... it's basically been Tucker, Robinson(both basically role players) and the rest of the role-players tanking Miami which also included Herro from the Philly game and Bam in the GS game. This isn't about missing Herro's scoring, it's about most of the regular rotation being horrible. Maybe they're on a cold streak a in mass or there's a bigger issue. I feel it's just a cold streak that too many players are on together. Maybe something happened behind the scenes lately to throw a lot of player's mindsets off like worrying about the rotation being cut down or performing well if you make it into the shortened rotation?

Just last night (NY) for ORTG-DRTG (which is based off 100 possessions to look at their impact while on the court)
Butler +8
Lowry +1
Bam +39 (Didn't shoot enough although he was highly efficient)
Tucker -41
Robinson -58
Strus -29
Martin -75
Dedmon -34
Morris +56

GS
Butler -1
Lowry +46
Bam -15
Tucker -11
Robinson -21
Oladipo -66
Strus -135 (0 ORTG)
Morris -131(0 ORTG)
Martin -119 (0 ORTG)
Dedmon +9


Philly
Bam -2
Lowry -4
Butler +19
Robinson -26
Tucker -29
Herro -47
Strus -89
Morris -45
Martin +36

The roleplayers have been a strength this year and in the last 3 games they're not just playing bad, they're playing horrible. Miami is getting NOTHING out of their PF position or their shooter (Robinson, Strus) position.

If Herro's comes back shooting well that'll help, but Miami needs those role players to be at least net zero rotation players.

I'd send Tucker home for a week and let him rest, get pissed off and hopefully get a little reset. Hopefully Miami will actually address the PF position this summer, of course an undersized older PF is going to wear down over a season.

[dshearn]

I agree Tucker needs a break. You play a small guy at PF and you have to accept rebounding might be an issue, but the dudes shot is in the tank and he looks genuinely weary.

[twozeroMM]

I agree Tucker needs a break. You play a small guy at PF and you have to accept rebounding might be an issue, but the dudes shot is in the tank and he looks genuinely weary.

I'd say you're right, but with 8 games left and the team trying to figure out rotations before the playoffs. You can't just rest someone and throw that tinkering of the rotation off.

[dolphinatik]

this isnt the team that got us into first place and was playing with fun. Those were the backups and scrubs that got us there while our stars were hurt. Now that ppl are getting healthy Spo doing a 180 with the rotation and its not working. These stars are not playing hungry. Those scrubs were playing hungry and with better hustle chemistry and energy than we are seeing now. Also we were playing with nothing to lose and no pressure. Now guys are scared to shoot and standing aorund. Nailing Yurt to the bench might not be the reason we are losing however we were trending up at the time and have immediately been on a decline since. It sent a message to everyone on team that your play doesnt matter cause Spo is going to play his favorites or favorite lineups anyway. I wouldnt might Spo starting the next game with just bench guys till the Stars want top act like they want it.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Wow, unreal.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Since I gravitate towards ORTG-DRTG more then +/- to see an individual's impact on both sides of the ball I decided to look at the individual games and wow... it's basically been Tucker, Robinson(both basically role players) and the rest of the role-players tanking Miami which also included Herro from the Philly game and Bam in the GS game. This isn't about missing Herro's scoring, it's about most of the regular rotation being horrible. Maybe they're on a cold streak a in mass or there's a bigger issue. I feel it's just a cold streak that too many players are on together. Maybe something happened behind the scenes lately to throw a lot of player's mindsets off like worrying about the rotation being cut down or performing well if you make it into the shortened rotation?

Just last night (NY) for ORTG-DRTG (which is based off 100 possessions to look at their impact while on the court)
Butler +8
Lowry +1
Bam +39 (Didn't shoot enough although he was highly efficient)
Tucker -41
Robinson -58
Strus -29
Martin -75
Dedmon -34
Morris +56

GS
Butler -1
Lowry +46
Bam -15
Tucker -11
Robinson -21
Oladipo -66
Strus -135 (0 ORTG)
Morris -131(0 ORTG)
Martin -119 (0 ORTG)
Dedmon +9


Philly
Bam -2
Lowry -4
Butler +19
Robinson -26
Tucker -29
Herro -47
Strus -89
Morris -45
Martin +36

The roleplayers have been a strength this year and in the last 3 games they're not just playing bad, they're playing horrible. Miami is getting NOTHING out of their PF position or their shooter (Robinson, Strus) position.

If Herro's comes back shooting well that'll help, but Miami needs those role players to be at least net zero rotation players.

I'd send Tucker home for a week and let him rest, get pissed off and hopefully get a little reset. Hopefully Miami will actually address the PF position this summer, of course an undersized older PF is going to wear down over a season.

This has been clear as day over the last 3.

[HeatingUp3]

We at least needs to see a change in rotation soon. Give Yurt 20 minutes a game.

[Beenie]

What good is playing elite defense if you are unable to secure the rebound.

It’s too early to panic, imo, but if Tucker doesn’t ball out in the playoffs, the number one objective in the off-season should be to get a bigger and better PF.

Or play Yurts at five and trade Bam for a star.